If a CP 600 player leaves your group

FloppyTouch · March 2017

I ran a ton of pugs and never been in group of all cp600 scrubs ever we fly right through the dungeon every time. I been in pugs with less the cp300 and it's a long struggle with my dps carrying the group every time. I'm not sure wth the people that say cp600s does not equal skill it definitely does, longer play the game ran these dungeons more have finished sets and build and a ton of practice. Less then 300cp I find lack skills or knowledge purple gear bad rotation.

I say less then 300cp bc after that in the 400ish range players seem to get better or have more understanding of the game and there role

malicia · March 2017

GoodFella146 wrote: »

You mostly described me in the center paragraph! Though I will ask in the group chat if we all can just run ahead first, then end up destro ulting all the mobs down that I pulled if I did speed ahead. Usually nobody replies to me though and it ends up being a horrible experience anyway. It's frustrating having such a disparity between players (which is nobody's fault necessarily), but to not even reply to somebody asking in the group text chat then kicking that player is pretty BS.

@GoodFella146 - I haven't ever met someone who actually ask if we could run ahead. If I someday do I'll ask if I can switch to DD gear - they can just let me know when I should switch back to tank. If they feel confident that we can do a part or the whole dungeon without a tank, I really wouldn't mind playing DD.

I've never tried to kick a player who runs ahead. I'm the one slotting a taunt, so I can always "steal" mobs or the boss away from them when I finally get there.

Volrion · March 2017

My buddy and I (capped tank/healer) got queued in a vet random with two DDs who were under 100.

After the first pull, (which took forever) I just politely said in group chat that I'm sorry, but we're not going to carry you guys, and I suggested doing random non vets for a while till they learn mechanics and improve their damage.

I felt bad for them, but they both left without any trouble.

Sure we could have made it through and got the clear, but my friend and I both have limited play time and I'm not going to spend my evening on a dungeon that would take 20 minutes max with an average group.

As many have posted above; just because we can carry, doesn't mean we're obligated.

Asardes · March 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

But then who will write the forum posts with:
"I got rekt in VMA/VDSA/V[insert dungeon name here] ZOS stop catering to elitists I QQ cancel sub and delete the game"?

Bartdude · March 2017

I continue with the delve, the only time it becomes a problem is usually on the DLC content and then only because the team doesn't know the meta for a boss. If the group listens and does what you'd expect then it normally goes ok even if you get trashed once or twice. I personally have only quit once on WGT when the team wouldn't listen and kept failing to close the portals on The Planar Inhibitor!

hydrocynus · March 2017

Cously wrote: »

I can carry any group if I want to. But I don't want to, nor will I spend the time doing it. I don't discriminate on levels, but if the first trash pull doesn't die quick then I'm out. The tank.

Fair enough. You gave them a chance. I have no beef with you. It's the ones who judge and leave before getting into the dungeon.

flguy147ub17_ESO · March 2017

inked1 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

Love this post. I love teaching people the mechanics and helping them through a dungeon when I have time. But when I don't have time I HATE doing a pug. It pisses me off when I see a level 84 in vet ICP that has never done the dungeon before. Go to normal at least once before queuing into vet to get a CP 600 to carry you through. it is not CP 600 people's responsibility to teach you or carry you. I will when I have time but that is my choice, not obligation. I put in my time and learned and farmed for gear and got better. Now I can do the dungeons without being carried. Now it's your time to put in the effort.

One problem is normal dont teach you the mechanics. You get in with a group of 600 CP players and they just blow through the mechanics so you can do a normal dungeon multiple times and have zero clue on the dungeon mechanics. Yes there are some guides but that is like watching somebody coach a sport and then trying to go do it. Its not the same thing as actually trying to go do it. You cant learn the mechanics unless you go do Vet dungeons, but many players forget they were clueless at one time on mechanics too. Guess i am just different then most players, i have always in every single MMO i have played tried to help new players.

inked1 · March 2017

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

inked1 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

Love this post. I love teaching people the mechanics and helping them through a dungeon when I have time. But when I don't have time I HATE doing a pug. It pisses me off when I see a level 84 in vet ICP that has never done the dungeon before. Go to normal at least once before queuing into vet to get a CP 600 to carry you through. it is not CP 600 people's responsibility to teach you or carry you. I will when I have time but that is my choice, not obligation. I put in my time and learned and farmed for gear and got better. Now I can do the dungeons without being carried. Now it's your time to put in the effort.

One problem is normal dont teach you the mechanics. You get in with a group of 600 CP players and they just blow through the mechanics so you can do a normal dungeon multiple times and have zero clue on the dungeon mechanics. Yes there are some guides but that is like watching somebody coach a sport and then trying to go do it. Its not the same thing as actually trying to go do it. You cant learn the mechanics unless you go do Vet dungeons, but many players forget they were clueless at one time on mechanics too. Guess i am just different then most players, i have always in every single MMO i have played tried to help new players.

And I was once a clueless low level as well. It took someone going through vet dungeons with me for me to learn. The mechanics. The gear. The abilities to use and the how's and the why's. I didn't learn on my own. But the people who helped me did it by their own free will and I am thankful for all of them.

As I have stated elsewhere in this thread, I love teaching new people the game and helping them grow. It's what I look for when I get on my tank for pugs. I will spend hours in a dungeon teaching people the mechanics. I will teach them about gear and buy it for them if they don't have it. I like teaching them and helping them. Someone doing it for me is the only reason I didn't quit after my first couple months. I didn't know what I was doing and was frustrated and tired of doing it blindly. So I know the power of helping others in game.

With that said, it's my choice, not obligation because I'm max CP. if I don't have time to spend an hour in fungal grotto 1 with a low level group when I'm on my dps then I leave. Yes I am judging them by their level. That's not always right, but 99% of the time it is. I've been playing long enough to know. If I don't have time then I don't have time and I am free to move on.

Some times the people you say are wrong for dropping group right away are also the same people who will buy you all new gear and gold it out for you to help you get through CoS your first time. Not everyone who drops group right away is an a-hole. Some people just don't have time.

Runschei · March 2017

I only leave groups if the rest of the team doesn't know tactics and refuses to read the god damn chat and we just die, die, die.

Amadis001 · March 2017

This is the same never-ending discussion which you will see on the message boards for every multiplayer online game. Max-level players don't always want to spend the time it takes to carry lower-level players through the content. I've been on both sides of this, and I think that the only useful thing to say about it is "so be it". Nobody has to play with anyone they don't want to. Nobody is evil for making such choices. End.

I've been on both sides of this and totally get it. In Destiny, I've got 3 max-level characters. I've run all the raids so many times that I can immediately anticipate the mistakes a player will make and the wipes it will cause by how they are playing in the first few minutes of the first encounter. Sometimes I have the time and energy to be the coach of the team, and sometimes I leave.

Here in ESO, I'm the (relative) noob at CP300. If I join a vet dungeon that I've run a few times already (as a tank) with a bunch of CP500+ players, I expect we'll be fine. If there is only one CP600 player in the group, I know exactly how they feel. If they choose to leave, I don't have any hard feelings. That person has the ability to do a fast clean run and has earned the right to it if that's what they want. And if they want to take the lead and coach / carry a weaker team, that's even better (for me), but I don't expect it.

Floki_Vilgerdarson · March 2017

Some of the worst players I have played with are between 500-600 cp. CP 600 just means somone plays the game often. If they are playing wrong or do not spec their cp points properly, they have big egos only. Yes, those 600 cp guys leaving your group are looking for more 600 guys because they cannot take on a challenge.

I always give the group a try even if babies are in my group. CP600 who leaves with out even trying is what is wrong with the group finder tool and this game in general.

FLOKI

Artis · March 2017

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

One problem is normal dont teach you the mechanics. You get in with a group of 600 CP players and they just blow through the mechanics so you can do a normal dungeon multiple times and have zero clue on the dungeon mechanics. Yes there are some guides but that is like watching somebody coach a sport and then trying to go do it. Its not the same thing as actually trying to go do it. You cant learn the mechanics unless you go do Vet dungeons, but many players forget they were clueless at one time on mechanics too. Guess i am just different then most players, i have always in every single MMO i have played tried to help new players.

It's not a problem. Normals NEVER taught mechanics, yet somehow a lot of players learned them on vet. Do like we did - get a group of people who want to teach you and/or who want to learn with you and go with them. How do you think we cleared vICP after its release, when there was no group finder?

But you don't join a random group to learn or expecting them to teach and bear with you. That's selfish and unfair to other 3 players. A random group is when you already know all the fights and how to do your job, but there are no friends online who need that dungeon for a pledge or want to run it and no one replies in /z. So, you queue up and do other stuff because you aren't paying to sit in chat trying to recruit.

raglau · March 2017

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

inked1 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

Love this post. I love teaching people the mechanics and helping them through a dungeon when I have time. But when I don't have time I HATE doing a pug. It pisses me off when I see a level 84 in vet ICP that has never done the dungeon before. Go to normal at least once before queuing into vet to get a CP 600 to carry you through. it is not CP 600 people's responsibility to teach you or carry you. I will when I have time but that is my choice, not obligation. I put in my time and learned and farmed for gear and got better. Now I can do the dungeons without being carried. Now it's your time to put in the effort.

One problem is normal dont teach you the mechanics. You get in with a group of 600 CP players and they just blow through the mechanics so you can do a normal dungeon multiple times and have zero clue on the dungeon mechanics. Yes there are some guides but that is like watching somebody coach a sport and then trying to go do it. Its not the same thing as actually trying to go do it. You cant learn the mechanics unless you go do Vet dungeons, but many players forget they were clueless at one time on mechanics too. Guess i am just different then most players, i have always in every single MMO i have played tried to help new players.

Normals do teach mechanics, if you group with like-minded people in the same boat who want to learn, that's what zone chat and guilds are for.

You can no more turn up in a random Finder group and *expect* to learn mechanics from me than I can turn up at a track day and *expect* someone to let me take their new Lambo for a few laps. Sometimes it does happen and it's nice when it does, but you can't expect that people who've earned their stripes will necessarily wish to teach you mechanics, especially when 30 mins on Youtube will tell you all you need to know. ESO dungeons are the most mechanically dumb dungeons of any MMO I have played.

I know the car analogy is stretching it a bit, but I race cars for fun so was trying to stick to something I know!

Sometimes I do coach new players - just did it in WGT actually - but sometimes I simply have picked normal to quickly farm a bit of gear or to get my pledge over and done with between meetings. I'm at that point already accepting the halving of my key quota due to time constraints, so I'm not likely to want to end up taking the same time as I would have in Vet HM just to coach people and still walk away with one key and risk missing a meeting.

You may well learn something in random normals but you cannot count on it, is my message.