If a CP 600 player leaves your group

Phatmattfu · March 2017

I don't know why, but I read this thread like "You might be a ***" joke.

It seems Jeff Foxworthy is censored here.

raj72616a · March 2017

random normal, problem is that newbies don't know what is happening when they get ICP WGT RoM CoS. they don't know why people are leaving, and they keep on finding replacement from the queue.

even if you leave, tell them stop dragging more people into those dungeons.

djdc1234 · March 2017

my group yesterday. im a 350+ templar healer and this other guy was a 300 tank. we had a 600 DPS and a 550DPS , doing frost keep Vet and the 600 dint have any dps helm set on and was doing no dps.. we kicked him found another 300 dps kicked him too bc he was getting one his at the end boss and was not CC breaking and she was healer her self. found another 180 kicked them too was getting one hit and not breaking after we told them how the fight was. took us 35 mins but we found a 300cp dps that out did the 600. and we got our 2 keys.

then me alone in another group for the prison on vet. I had some GARBAGE elitists 2 600s who where together one super squishy dps. healing him was not hard thanks to almost 3000 magic recovering. 35 in quick recover and 100 in blessed. i brought up how squishy he was in a kind manner joking around and they both freaked out i said my bad and sorry and the squishy guy said we dont need you. and his friend aswell. so i said okay lol they walked into the next room and died almost right away and i said what was that about not needing me... they said okay watch and they changed gear, same set of guys they died faster and i said again what was that about not needing a healer lol.. you could tell they where in there young teens and cocky so i left lol no time for that stuff.

the people i run into in this game is crazy. i pull well over 20K+ heals with my SPC and sanctuary. i love when they get almost down to a tick and i heal them back to full with one breath

Cronopoly · March 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Good DPS can carry bad tanks or healers.
Good tanks or healers can't carry bad DPS.

That is incorrect and does not apply to all Tanks. Having a DK Shield Tank, I can carry a sub 200cp group in several version II dungeons and including several HM bosses. Throwing out 14- 18K shields on group mates every 3 - 6 seconds or as warranted has gotten many under cp'd players their helms.

It just takes longer if the group knows mechanics, meaning I patiently explained it to them even after several wipes, well they wipe then I let myself die as Bosses could not kill me. but then again Shield Tanks kill stuff sloooow lol.

I honestly rejoice when I see > 400's when the group forms. I also had the joy of recently running with a Japanese cp1100+ all DPS group. Holy Moly never seen DPS like that ever. Bosses melted. I never seen those guys again /cry

WalksonGraves · March 2017

Well as a real tank™ I don't do damage and I will not be "carrying" dps. You can't earn the loot you get the boot, if a 600 leaves you were all unsalvagable.

itsfatbass · March 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Good DPS can carry bad tanks or healers.
Good tanks or healers can't carry bad DPS.

A good healer can help carry DPS for sure, as a healer typically can have some damage output also. But a good damaging healer won't be enough to make up for TWO bad DPS, but certainly one.

inked1 · March 2017

When I'm on my DD I don't care who or what I get paired with. I will just run it and teach along the way if I have time or just solo the dungeon if I'm in a hurry. If we are dropped into one of the dlc dungeons then I look to see what I'm paired with. If I have a good tank I will stay. If the tank is no good I will leave. I don't mind teaching people but if I'm on my DD then I usually have a limited amount of time and just want to get through the dungeon.

When I am on my tank it differs. Yes I love to look up and see all CP600's. I know the dungeon will go quick and easy and I usually won't spend an hour or more teaching mechanics. But I don't mind if I see all non CP or Low CP either. I only tank pugs if I know I have all the time it takes. I like helping new players. I was one once that ran around in heavy gear and a two hander as a DD. Then I got in a group with people who took the time to teach me. Now I'm doing hard mode trials and teaching others. I want to help people learn and get better. That's why I like tanking pugs. I spent 3 hours one Saturday taking a pick up group of less than 160CP through CoS. The dps was horrible. None of them had ever been in there before. But I taught them each boss as went along. We took our time. They learned new things and three hours later we had all completed it and it was awesome how great they felt. It was one of my favorite moments ever hearing their happiness.

So yes sometimes I will drop a group depending on my situation/time available. Sometimes I will spend all day teaching people I don't know how to run a dungeon. So don't judge or label someone who drops when they pair up with you. Some people just don't have time and some people are a-holes.

IronCrystal · March 2017

I am a healer. I can make sure they don't die (except to one shots), buff the **** out of my teamates, and debuff the enemies, but I am not gonna make a complete change to my build to turn my healer into a dps just so I can carry my bad teamates.

I do not agree that any elite player could carry a bad group. Sure if they made extensive changes to their build and carried those pieces around maybe, but most healers and tanks are geared to do their role, not carry the dps' job.

I do think that one good dps can carry another dps though. I can pull 32k self-buffed ST on my magDK, which is more than enough for myself and the other dps if needed.

Lythandra · March 2017

A CP 600 could leave because "Damn, this dungeon again ....".

I've done that a few times. Just not in the mood for the specific dungeon.

Asardes · March 2017

My chars are geared for at least 2 roles, soon my sorcerer even for 3 as he will get healer gear soon too. I was put in a few situations where I really needed to carry the group - couldn't find people in guilds or zone chats to run non-DLC dungeons and I had to enter GF. In one such run the healer was also CP600 but the DDs were around CP100. The dungeon was BC1. At the 1st boss I realized that things were not going to play out well. The group DPS was around 20K, of which I was pulling 1/4 simply casting DoTs, taunting and weaving heroic slash and heavy attacks. So after the fight ended I simply wrote in group chat that with this DPS we will never finish the dungeon and I'm switching to DD. Pressed the DD button and Alpha Gear switched skills and gear, I also changed my food to max health + stamina. The rest of the run was rather smooth, and even when I was DPS-ing the bosses and mobs somehow I was able to keep aggro, although I had no taunt equipped. I wasn't pulling a lot, maybe 20K tops because with things aggroed I also had to time blocks and dodges, but still I was pulling about 2/3 of the group DPS. I didn't die much. Until the end boss. I read the scroll and went full DPS on him. I died a few times because blocking with 2W is not very effective, and I was frequently running out of stamina, but we didn't wipe. At the end everyone got their 2 keys and went their way.

emily3989 · March 2017

The whole thing is nonsense. First any CP 600 player should be able to easily solo any normal dungeon (mins those few with mechanics-dire frost). Maybe Veteran dungeons should have a cp minimum on finder I could be sild that idea but either way, they hit the que button right? They should encur the 15 min penalty.

Also a lvl 40 toon could have 600cp and you wouldn't even know it. The only difference between my lvl 48 and my CP 600 toon is gear. The difference in 4 man dungeons is irrelevant

klowdy1 · March 2017

I'm still at cp140, running regs until I get hit cp160 and fill most slots with cp160 blues. There are some people that just don't get it. I am constantly being wiped because after the 5th time doing a boss, people still don't get the mechanics, or they spam left click all day, or the healer is running with a destro staff on both bars, using only class abilities to heal. I try, but it gets old after a while.

I can kind of see where the elitists are coming from, dropping immediately. It gets frustrating struggling through most of a dungeon, just to have to leave because no one else knows how to do their job, and if you try to explain it to them, they ignore it, or get mad.

I was in a group fighting a boss with a trap. We finished the boss, barely, and afterward, I said "you need to focus one of the enemies when the trap pop" because I was left to solo most traps, and someone died on the last one. I was saying it because it's annoying to die because people don't follow mechanics. They the guy I was helping out chimed in with "I know, I'm cp220." Then it obviously was meant for you dumb ass, it was aimed at those who obviously don't know.

There is a great deal of disrespect in games now, and if you can avoid interaction, for the most part, by being in groups of cp300-600, it may be worth it for some players. I'm not saying it's right, I always try to stay and help where I can, but after years of the same thing, it just becomes not worth it.

flizomica · March 2017

nobody is obligated to play with any group..

I would rather leave a bad group than slog through a dungeon just because they bring their *** RP builds in there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

s7732425ub17_ESO · March 2017

I carry scrub pug groups through vet dungeons all the time. I couldn't care less what the other DPS is doing. My 25-30k DPS can pull a group through pretty much any dungeon (with the exception of DLC dungeons).

DMuehlhausen · March 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Good DPS can carry bad tanks or healers.
Good tanks or healers can't carry bad DPS.

Tried to do the Drodda fight last night. One DPS was under 11k HP in a Vet dungeon (CP was around 180). So of course they are dying all the time. Nobody was breaking the Life Leech attack.

We didn't start moving her life till I was only casting BoL and doing dps....

idk · March 2017

It's not an elite or even a strong player leaving the group because others don't have the CP they do. A strong player can easily carry a group.

The players with high CP that leave the group are ones that need others to help carry them through the dungeon to start with.

Shad0wfire99 · March 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It's not an elite or even a strong player leaving the group because others don't have the CP they do. A strong player can easily carry a group.

The players with high CP that leave the group are ones that need others to help carry them through the dungeon to start with.

People keep saying this like they think shaming good players will make them feel obligated to carry low levels through content they aren't ready for. Sure, I can carry players through most of the dungeons (on a dps character, anyway), but why do people think that it's my duty as a max cp player to do so? If I feel like carrying and teaching, I will. If I don't, I'm gonna leave. Say what you'd like about it, but the onus is on the individual figure out how to not need carrying. The internet is your friend. Google. Youtube. Use them.

tonemd · March 2017

You guys should get more PVP only players to queue up. Lots of Lvl 50, 600cp+ players out there who don't know *** about dungeons and probably won't complain. For vet dungeons all you gotta do is teach mechanics.

I've been queuing up for normals and a few vets just to get a feel for these things and usually have decent to great groups. I've only gotten a few groups where people queued for roles they couldn't (or wouldn't) do. I must say, I am surprised at how easy some of these vanilla vet dungeons are.

As for 600 "elites" ditching groups, why would an elite player be using the finder in the first place? Why would anyone looking for a 15 minute vet hard mode run for some helm waste their time gambling for a BiS group? That just seems stupid to me. Enjoy the serendipity, but expect the worst and have the patience to deal with it.

hydrocynus · March 2017

Asardes wrote: »

High CP =/= "Elite"

In fact I've met plenty of high, even capped CP scrubs, that play so bad you could swear they first logged into the game yesterday. Probably running laps in the desert blasting zombies so you can just see a number increment leads to permanent, debilitating brain damage, or simply there wasn't enough of that to get damaged in the first place.

On the other hand I've seen:
CP187 Stormproof, CP340 Flawless Conqueror, CP415 Dro-m'athra Destroyer

This is exactly what I am saying!

raidentenshu_ESO · March 2017

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

hydrocynus · March 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

I see what you are trying to say OP. However just cause someone can do something doesn't make them obligated to do so. People have things they wanna do lol, it might not fit their plans to spend all day soloing bosses or pulling a group, so honestly leaving is the best thing they can do if it's not nearing that players expectations.

Now on the notion that 600 CP players are these amazing specimens of ESO glory. Well that's silly. That just means they got to max level. Some may well be the most amazeballs players sure. But a ton just grinded and never really started playing, or never did said dungeon and do the k ow the mechanics.

I just wish people when they go on groupfinder understand that they are not the most important person in the world. They shouldn't expect to get pulled or expect to get people on their level. Just take what you get and leave if you don't like it.

Exactly. So that's why I say the good players get a bad rap cos everyone thinks a cp600 is an amazing player. They are not.

Arthg · March 2017

I'm a 600 CP+ tank.

When I join a random group, I know it's not going to be a speed run. I know it's not going to be optimal.
For optimal speed runs, I've got friends.

So I believe it's just common decency and politeness to give the group a chance.

I can only remember one time when it turned out we couldn't complete the dungeon because the DPS was too low.
All those other times - well I saw a lot of good players with low CP pull great DPS and do their jobs as healers.
We all had a good time as a group, we traded loot, and more often than not, ended up being friends.

Quite frankly, I think maxed CP players have a duty to be nice and patient to lower CP ones when they decide to join a random group.

My experience has shown that it is even rewarding.

hydrocynus · March 2017

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

nobody is obligated to play with any group..

I would rather leave a bad group than slog through a dungeon just because they bring their *** RP builds in there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And that's cool but don't judge then by their level and leave straight away. Rather sick around and see if it will be worth it. If not then say sorry guys this won't work and leave.

SquareSausage · March 2017

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It's not an elite or even a strong player leaving the group because others don't have the CP they do. A strong player can easily carry a group.

The players with high CP that leave the group are ones that need others to help carry them through the dungeon to start with.

People keep saying this like they think shaming good players will make them feel obligated to carry low levels through content they aren't ready for. Sure, I can carry players through most of the dungeons (on a dps character, anyway), but why do people think that it's my duty as a max cp player to do so? If I feel like carrying and teaching, I will. If I don't, I'm gonna leave. Say what you'd like about it, but the onus is on the individual figure out how to not need carrying. The internet is your friend. Google. Youtube. Use them.

Agreed, its too many people on here trying to shame good players with the ridiculous notion that being bad is ok, that the good player should be a shining beacon and selflessly waste 2 hours of their life with a under equipped, and under skilled group.

the other one that these idiots come out with, 'why use the group finder, there is a mechanism, called zone chat' or 'join a guild if you only wanna run with good players'..
Not everyone has a lot of mates, not everyone who is guilded is lucky enough to get others to grind vWGT with them, they use the GF to fill those roles, yet get stuck with CP 10 guys in Vet DLC dungeons. These CP 10 in vet dungeons will pretty much always be poor performers, as anyone who is worth their salt will realise there is no point in doing Vet until CP160 as its just a complete waste of time.

inked1 · March 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

Love this post. I love teaching people the mechanics and helping them through a dungeon when I have time. But when I don't have time I HATE doing a pug. It pisses me off when I see a level 84 in vet ICP that has never done the dungeon before. Go to normal at least once before queuing into vet to get a CP 600 to carry you through. it is not CP 600 people's responsibility to teach you or carry you. I will when I have time but that is my choice, not obligation. I put in my time and learned and farmed for gear and got better. Now I can do the dungeons without being carried. Now it's your time to put in the effort.

emily3989 · March 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

As a 719 Level player I guess I've joined the elite party.

As a capped level player I have a few questions to ask for the soft skins out there.

Why is it my responsibility to take on the extra burden and stress of having to carry the rest of the group to the finish line because they lack the DPS? If you were running in a marathon... would you register to run knowing full well that you have an injury that prevents you from running?

If you lack the DPS... why are you queuing in for a veteran dungeon?

If you don't know the mechanics of the dungeon... why are you joining a veteran dungeon? Sure some are easy (Like Fungal Grotto), but what if you get chosen to do vet ICP or vet WGT? If you don't know the basic mechanics... why are you choosing to go VET? Why not go normal?

Why is it my responsibility to teach you the mechanics? Some people don't have it in them to teach... Unfortunately I am one of them. I'm terrible in teaching people because I'm not patient nor have the social skills to be able to teach people. Instead of depending on other people to teach you.... why don't you teach yourself? You have access to the internet, yes? Great! The first thing you would want to do is go on Youtube and checkout videos of dungeon boss fights... there you can actually witness the mechanics, and learn from it. You can also read articles about the mechanics of each dungeon through the power of a search engine. Its the best thing that could ever be given to us in Cyber space world; a web browser to search for information

My helpful suggestion would be this.

Stop being so depended on others and be independent. Learn to self teach yourself because not everyone is going to be around to teach you. Sometimes you need to do it on you own.

Everyone has to go in for the first time

kyle.wilson · March 2017

Asardes wrote: »

High CP =/= "Elite"

In fact I've met plenty of high, even capped CP scrubs, that play so bad you could swear they first logged into the game yesterday. Probably running laps in the desert blasting zombies so you can just see a number increment leads to permanent, debilitating brain damage, or simply there wasn't enough of that to get damaged in the first place.

On the other hand I've seen:
CP187 Stormproof, CP340 Flawless Conqueror, CP415 Dro-m'athra Destroyer

I have watched a person with >800cp die to 3 adds in a public dungeon. They were legit trying to fight them. I whispered them and asked them if they bought their account off someone. Never did get a response.

I recently did a random vet dungeon, I had a tank with around 400cp. I don't think they understood the basic mechanics of tanking, and they weren't interested in help. 60k health and no taunt doesn't make a tank. Yet we still finished the dungeon.
When asked if I wanted to do another, I declined then logged off.

O_LYKOS · March 2017

Where I agree with most, some may be using group finder for one of the harder dungeons and get grouped with low cp players, at which point we all know that there are certain dungeons we all prefer not to do as a low player or with low players.

I'm not 600cp but for example if I do random vet and get grouped for Cradle of Shadows with 3 600cp, I may well stay, and being above 500cp myself hope they don't kick me. (I have done it several times). However if I get grouped with a 200cp tank and healer and a 150cp dps, I'm gonna leave without hesitation.

Ihatenightblades · March 2017

hydrocynus wrote: »

I have seen many forum posts like the one recently about a guy who said he can't use the group finder as a DD because when the group is formed the Elite payers leave immediately.

I would just like to comment on this because I think the elite guys get a bad rap here.

I think the import thing to note is that in most 4 man dungeons in this game, any CP 600 player worth his salt would be able to carry a group through those dungeons (there are of course exceptions) on his own no matter the level of the other players in most cases. By saying that statement I am assuming of course that everyone who has joined the group has joined as their correctly intended role (ie the tank is a tank and the healer is a healer).

I have many friends that pug and enjoy pugging because they like to help people and know that they could easily finish the dungeons with some small support from the other guys.

So in my opinion if a CP 600 player leaves a group he is not a very good player and you are actually better off not continuing with him because inevitably you are going to get screamed at by him for things that are actually his fault.

As a CP 600 myself, I can firmly say that I have never ever left a group finder group without at least trying to complete the content with the formed group, and I am not alone. I have many friends that do the same.

Good for you. But when i leave a group because other group has low cp is my choice and doesnt mean im not good just get over it not all of us have 1 hr to complete a dungeon.

Whenever im with guildies and we need one more we dont care who we get but if he slows us down KICKED in a heartbeat. No hard feelings if you underperform thats a good enough reason to kick

Cously · March 2017

I can carry any group if I want to. But I don't want to, nor will I spend the time doing it. I don't discriminate on levels, but if the first trash pull doesn't die quick then I'm out. The tank.