Bone Pirate's Tatters set became viable?

Panth141 · March 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Lich + BSW with max stat food will provide an even more powerful combination than BP + Hulking with the new drink. This set is powerful, but perfectly balanced with what's currently available for magicka.

@Strider_Roshin

I paraphrase: 'Magicka skills are more expensive as it's easier to stack high max magicka'

Stamina and magicka resource pools aren't supposed to be the same - that's integral in the design of both skill costs and skill coefficients.

EDIT: Crap, sorry for the double post...

Brutusmax1mus · March 2017

You guys realize that's just a picture. He's using warrior in it, is in stealth, probably had a ton of fighters guild skills on his bar, you can't see his buffs so possibly he's got allies helping him, probably has the buff from resources.

I'm saying i run bone pirates and draugr and it's not like this and it's a finished character.

This picture is made to just buff all the stats.

Alcast · March 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.

@ZOS_RichLambert

I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.

Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.

I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.

Ahzek · March 2017

This set is basically amberplasm for stamina now, pretty good in CP and almost irreplaceable in non CP.

SnubbS · March 2017

Panth141 wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

I'm not even sure how that's real—in fact, I'd bet it was fake. Zooming in on the regen, it definitely looks photoshopped. Looks like someone put hundings/hulking together, and photoshopped the 3k regen in there.

To my eyes it doesn't 'definitely look photoshopped' - I've taken quite a hard look at it and everything lines up very well.

Okay, zoom in on the stam regen—notice the darkness around the numbers. It looks to me to be at least 2-3 shades darker around those numbers than it does around the other regens. I could be wrong, but I spent about 10 minutes looking at it and I'm pretty confident in what I see. However I will admit that this isn't 100% proof, because there are outside factors that could give this appearance—such as something in the background.

Edit: Actually, tbh, I think I'm just crazy.

Asardes · March 2017

Is Amberplasm good for magicka in PvP? Haven't seen a lot of people asking to farm it. Only when they put the motifs in there I could find groups for Mazzatun.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

My thoughts? OP. Where's my magicka equivalent?

@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...

Ahzek wrote: »

This set is basically amberplasm for stamina now, pretty good in CP and almost irreplaceable in non CP.

Except amberplasm's 5 pc already provides +Stam regen, does not provide +Magicka (5pc, as the magicka equivalent would), and is gated behind DLC, where BPT is not.

It's good that they've made an equivalent stam recipe for Witchmother's and are offering some interesting food/drink combos to offset some weaknesses in builds, but there should be similar set options as well.

Ahzek · March 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

My thoughts? OP. Where's my magicka equivalent?

@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...

Ahzek wrote: »

This set is basically amberplasm for stamina now, pretty good in CP and almost irreplaceable in non CP.

Except amberplasm's 5 pc already provides +Stam regen, does not provide +Magicka (5pc, as the magicka equivalent would), and is gated behind DLC, where BPT is not.

It's good that they've made an equivalent stam recipe for Witchmother's and are offering some interesting food/drink combos to offset some weaknesses in builds, but there should be similar set options as well.

Of course these sets aren't carbon copies like hundings and julianos, but they serve a very similar purpose, a purpose which is very important in non CP campaigns.

zuto40 · March 2017

SnubbS wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

I'm not even sure how that's real—in fact, I'd bet it was fake. Zooming in on the regen, it definitely looks photoshopped. Looks like someone put hundings/hulking together, and photoshopped the 3k regen in there.

To my eyes it doesn't 'definitely look photoshopped' - I've taken quite a hard look at it and everything lines up very well.

Okay, zoom in on the stam regen—notice the darkness around the numbers. It looks to me to be at least 2-3 shades darker around those numbers than it does around the other regens. I could be wrong, but I spent about 10 minutes looking at it and I'm pretty confident in what I see. However I will admit that this isn't 100% proof, because there are outside factors that could give this appearance—such as something in the background.

Edit: Actually, tbh, I think I'm just crazy.

Bruh you want a tinfoil hat? I've got a spare

SnubbS · March 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

I'm not even sure how that's real—in fact, I'd bet it was fake. Zooming in on the regen, it definitely looks photoshopped. Looks like someone put hundings/hulking together, and photoshopped the 3k regen in there.

To my eyes it doesn't 'definitely look photoshopped' - I've taken quite a hard look at it and everything lines up very well.

Okay, zoom in on the stam regen—notice the darkness around the numbers. It looks to me to be at least 2-3 shades darker around those numbers than it does around the other regens. I could be wrong, but I spent about 10 minutes looking at it and I'm pretty confident in what I see. However I will admit that this isn't 100% proof, because there are outside factors that could give this appearance—such as something in the background.

Edit: Actually, tbh, I think I'm just crazy.

Bruh you want a tinfoil hat? I've got a spare

Yeah I'll take one.

Strider_Roshin · March 2017

With Ravager, and Wrath fully buffed my buddy's stamplar has 26k health 37k stam, 2100 regen, and 5100 Weapon damage while wearing all heavy. And this is without Bone Pirate btw.

With Necropotence sorcs have been able to easily hit over 50k max magicka (I've heard about some going over 60k).

Ridiculous stats have become the norm for light, and heavy armor for a while now. It's nice that medium armor can finally get their turn.

KingJ · March 2017

This shouldn't work. Dubious throne should not work with this set. Event recipes are considered Delicacies which do not work with this set.It's a bug also @Blobsky tested this on stream and did not work. so I'm confused how this is working now.

Strider_Roshin · March 2017

WhiteMage wrote: »

My thoughts? OP. Where's my magicka equivalent?

Where's my stam equivalent of BSW? I would love 729 weapon damage just for landing a poison injection.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

With Ravager, and Wrath fully buffed my buddy's stamplar has 26k health 37k stam, 2100 regen, and 5100 Weapon damage while wearing all heavy. And this is without Bone Pirate btw.

With Necropotence sorcs have been able to easily hit over 50k max magicka (I've heard about some going over 60k).

Ridiculous stats have become the norm for light, and heavy armor for a while now. It's nice that medium armor can finally get their turn.

@Strider_Roshin right, because it's not like they've had access to this:

Alcast · March 2017

The stats might look nice, but everyone seems to forget that he sits at 23k hp in medium armor. rip in 3seconds.

psychotic13 · March 2017

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.

@ZOS_RichLambert

I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.

Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.

I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.

I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.

Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more

Alcast · March 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.

@ZOS_RichLambert

I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.

Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.

I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.

I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.

Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more

True, dodgerolling might save you a lot there. I will test a similar setup on no cp and see how it performs. CP Campaigns balance is broken anyway and no point discussion wheter a build is op or not because you can build so much broken ***.. mag or stam it doesnt rly matter >.>

Jitterbug · March 2017

You can get like 60k+ magicka with stygian and necro right?

That's broken AF as well but seems to be part of the no cap design. If people wish to build that way, they are free to do it.

That picture is fearsome, though :P

psychotic13 · March 2017

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.

@ZOS_RichLambert

I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.

Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.

I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.

I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.

Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more

True, dodgerolling might save you a lot there. I will test a similar setup on no cp and see how it performs. CP Campaigns balance is broken anyway and no point discussion wheter a build is op or not because you can build so much broken ***.. mag or stam it doesnt rly matter >.>

Ok cool if you make a vid link it in here so we can see!

Also, with the upcoming battlegrounds, did they decide to make it no CP or a variation of both? I see people talk about it a lot but haven't seen the devs say anything on it. Just wondering cause if that's the case I'll also need to jump into azuras to adjust.

Alcast · March 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.

@ZOS_RichLambert

I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.

Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.

I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.

I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.

Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more

True, dodgerolling might save you a lot there. I will test a similar setup on no cp and see how it performs. CP Campaigns balance is broken anyway and no point discussion wheter a build is op or not because you can build so much broken ***.. mag or stam it doesnt rly matter >.>

Ok cool if you make a vid link it in here so we can see!

Also, with the upcoming battlegrounds, did they decide to make it no CP or a variation of both? I see people talk about it a lot but haven't seen the devs say anything on it. Just wondering cause if that's the case I'll also need to jump into azuras to adjust.

In the last stream they talked about it being no CP. And i can actually agree on that, while playtesting with CP nobody dies...with no Cp people actually dieing... so I am all in favour of this no cp bg

There is still so many stupid imbalances with CP system its insane.

Asardes · March 2017

What if I decided to run 5 Bone Pirate Tatters + 5 Hulking Draugr + Dubious Camoran Throne on a race with a health bonus, for example Nord, Orc or Imperial? Then the lower health bonus from the drink, when compared to CP150 blue health + stamina food or Ozorga's triple trifle pockets wouldn't be such a problem.

Strider_Roshin · March 2017

Asardes wrote: »

What if I decided to run 5 Bone Pirate Tatters + 5 Hulking Draugr + Dubious Camoran Throne on a race with a health bonus, for example Nord, Orc or Imperial? Then the lower health bonus from the drink, when compared to CP150 blue health + stamina food or Ozorga's triple trifle pockets wouldn't be such a problem.

I wouldn't come into this thread with legitimate build questions. This thread has been infected by the magicka community, and is currently septic. If you have any legitimate build questions about the set, PM me.

Strider_Roshin · March 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.

@ZOS_RichLambert

I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.

Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.

I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.

I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.

Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more

Dodge rolling is useless against Templars, and the majority of ultimates out there. It's only situationally strong.

KingJ · March 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

It's actually broken to ***, look at what you can achieve using it

The set is not the problem here. Championponts are the problem here, they make those broken af stats possible.

@ZOS_RichLambert

I disagree, even with no CP considered this set will still give higher stats than others. The new drink is to powerful combined with this.

Remember, with this setup you are in medium armor, you will get rekt a lot faster compared to a heavy armor setup. Sure those stats look beatiful, i personally would prefer more magicka which would drop my max stam and hp. I would also use another Mundus stones most likely.

I want to test the set first in no cp campaign, to be able to judge wheter it is op or not compared to other setups.

I'd adjust is slightly myself too, not a fan of the warrior mundus, and tri glyphs can always be used.

Yes you'll be squishy in medium, but you also have the potential to dodge roll a hell of a lot more

Dodge rolling is useless against Templars, and the majority of ultimates out there. It's only situationally strong.

Its the main reason why medium armor is so weak now. Dodge roll and dodge in general have been indirectly and directly nerfed so many times medium is just weak as hell. With Zos adding the cost increase and making more and more abilities undodgeable and ultimates the same way. The abilities you want and need to dodge you can't. Even when they Nerf heavy stam builds will still run heavy since medium is weak.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · March 2017

For my NB: 5 heavy hundings, 5 bone pirates (2 armor 3 jewelery), fill in the rest how you want. Personally I go 2 sharpened mauls agility weapons main bar and either maelstrom 2h (powered) on back or masters 2h (powered). Shadow mundus. Back bar is Rally, shuffle, shadowy disguise, relentless focus, siphoning strikes, dawn breaker of smiting or flawless dawn breaker (for a bit more heals). Main bar blood craze, surprise attack, vigor, ambush, mass hysteria, incapacitating strikes. Dubious throne drink. Potion with major savagery (you can replace siphoning with vigor on back bar and replace vigor with evil/camouflage hunter front bar if you always want the major savagery). Put 35 to 40 cp into blessed, fill in the rest how you want. 35 to 40 cp into quick recovery fill in the rest how you want. Monster heavy armor build for Nightblade. Great stats though not as good as the one pictured above. Idk how the heck he got those stats all together.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · March 2017

Stannum wrote: »

Has someone tested it. If it's really a drink?
I'm asking cause Orzorga's Red Frothgar - is a drink but counts as food buff not drink

I've used it and it counts. Frothgar counts as well because I used to use it.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...

It would not necessarily be a good thing to have magicka and stamina version of every single set. Otherwise, where is the stamina version of Vicious Death, Desert Rose, Syrabane, Rattlecage, Elegance, BSW, etc?

Lord_Eomer · March 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

You can get like 60k+ magicka with stygian and necro right?

That's broken AF as well but seems to be part of the no cap design. If people wish to build that way, they are free to do it.

That picture is fearsome, though :P

Stygian is already broken sometime giving buff or sometime not!

and its ridiculous medium armor set!

Asardes · March 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@IcyDeadPeople , I do believe (s)he means the gear equivalent...

It would not necessarily be a good thing to have magicka and stamina version of every single set. Otherwise, where is the stamina version of Vicious Death, Desert Rose, Syrabane, Rattlecage, Elegance, BSW, etc?

Rattlecage actually has a stamina counterpart, it's called Dreugh King Slayer. Both sets are very good. I've gotten plenty of grain solvent and rubedite from them.

KingJ · March 2017

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

For my NB: 5 heavy hundings, 5 bone pirates (2 armor 3 jewelery), fill in the rest how you want. Personally I go 2 sharpened mauls agility weapons main bar and either maelstrom 2h (powered) on back or masters 2h (powered). Shadow mundus. Back bar is Rally, shuffle, shadowy disguise, relentless focus, siphoning strikes, dawn breaker of smiting or flawless dawn breaker (for a bit more heals). Main bar blood craze, surprise attack, vigor, ambush, mass hysteria, incapacitating strikes. Dubious throne drink. Potion with major savagery (you can replace siphoning with vigor on back bar and replace vigor with evil/camouflage hunter front bar if you always want the major savagery). Put 35 to 40 cp into blessed, fill in the rest how you want. 35 to 40 cp into quick recovery fill in the rest how you want. Monster heavy armor build for Nightblade. Great stats though not as good as the one pictured above. Idk how the heck he got those stats all together.

Show us a picture of your stats.