Dk root spam is getting old.

Paneross · March 2017

Root>Mistform Out> Root again, apply dots>Mistform>Root again, whip, more dots>Mistform>annnnnnnnnnnnnd root.
@THEDKEXPERIENCE advise to fighting a mDK is to just run away.

Gaggin · March 2017

BohnT wrote: »

Gaggin wrote: »

You know its a root, not a stun right? You can still hit the other guy. if a magdk is spamming root he'll run out of mag before you run out of whatever resource you're stacking, heal up or dodge roll out of there. Its a melee-range ability, if you're not built for melee combat stay at range and block the chains.

I swear some people get upset about anything that kills them.

It may be somewhat avoidable in 1v1 but that is not what cyro is about you'll be outnumbered almost all the time. Dk talons are not the only thing that needs the immunity encase is even worse as there are ppl only spamming encase as there is no counterplay to it. In 1v1 the talons will drain your resources but in 1vX they reduce your survivability to 0

In a 1vX your survivability SHOULD be somewhere close to zero.

We all want balance, right? But you cant ask for balance while complaining that things don't work in 1vX situations.

NeillMcAttack · March 2017

Paneross wrote: »

Root>Mistform Out> Root again, apply dots>Mistform>Root again, whip, more dots>Mistform>annnnnnnnnnnnnd root.
@THEDKEXPERIENCE advise to fighting a mDK is to just run away.

So you can't fight up close...., and you can't fight at range..., where may I ask, do you want root immunity to take you...!?

techprince · March 2017

I would say add 5 second root immunity to cleanse.

Paneross · March 2017

techprince wrote: »

I would say add 5 second root immunity to cleanse.

2-3 seconds would be fair. Still any immunity is definitely needed.

NeillMcAttack · March 2017

techprince wrote: »

I would say add 5 second root immunity to cleanse.

Aaaaand every stam build has just slotted efficient purge and can't physically be killed because nothing locks them down anymore!!!

SanTii.92 · March 2017

Issue is not roots but snares.

Paneross · March 2017

If not an immunity there needs to be some sort of deminishing return. The more it's spammed the less effective it is.

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BohnT · March 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

I would say add 5 second root immunity to cleanse.

Aaaaand every stam build has just slotted efficient purge and can't physically be killed because nothing locks them down anymore!!!

You have no idea purge costs you 5k magicka no stam build can sustain as you have a Pool of 10k magicka with 1k regen every 2 seconds so you can solely use purge 3 times before you have to wait 10! Seconds for the next one and every stamina spec uses 1 magicka skill for sure so you end up with 1 or 2 purged max.

and why can't you kill them now? are you playing with ground aoes or why do they have to stay on on spot to make them kill able? It is so easy killing stamina builds just pressure them a bit and then cc them and use your full burst and they are gone. Or wait until they forget to recast vigor what happens a lot as the 5 seconds not very long.
And as mag nightblade you even have it easier. Use dots to negate vigor / rally heals and then attack them or go into cloak and meteor/ fear them with assassin's will proc.
No root immunity won't make anyone unkillable but makes it harder for these 1 button spammers

THEDKEXPERIENCE · March 2017

Yeah, because I was totally advocating doing nothing else but spamming mist form 14 straight times before dying.

How about ... pop it once or twice ... and then slam them with your ultimate? They will be low on resources after spamming a few CCs already.

MaxwellC · March 2017

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
Just curious what ultimate do you suggest because man on my Mag DK when I take advantage of the root spam since it's funny. People try to shuffle I'm like k I got fossilize and here's a talon for you; back to the ultimate let's say they dawnbreak me... well on my MagDK I'm almost if not close to perma blocking because why? Well you can easily do it lol.

They can meteor me and I will eat it with absorb magicka, they can use their destro ultimate and I will eat it with absorb magic or use corrosive armor.

The undeniable issue here is root spam (not DK as a whole) is a thing and shouldn't exist in a this game, you may cite abilities you can use but that doesn't stop me from causing you to consistently break free from my hard cc then follow up with a soft cc. My resources will drain far less then the person I'm fighting and that's easy since I'll gain my ultimate faster anyway especially since I use akaviri dragonguard.

NeillMcAttack · March 2017

BohnT wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

I would say add 5 second root immunity to cleanse.

Aaaaand every stam build has just slotted efficient purge and can't physically be killed because nothing locks them down anymore!!!

You have no idea purge costs you 5k magicka no stam build can sustain as you have a Pool of 10k magicka with 1k regen every 2 seconds so you can solely use purge 3 times before you have to wait 10! Seconds for the next one and every stamina spec uses 1 magicka skill for sure so you end up with 1 or 2 purged max.

and why can't you kill them now? are you playing with ground aoes or why do they have to stay on on spot to make them kill able? It is so easy killing stamina builds just pressure them a bit and then cc them and use your full burst and they are gone. Or wait until they forget to recast vigor what happens a lot as the 5 seconds not very long.
And as mag nightblade you even have it easier. Use dots to negate vigor / rally heals and then attack them or go into cloak and meteor/ fear them with assassin's will proc.
No root immunity won't make anyone unkillable but makes it harder for these 1 button spammers

I did say efficient purge. The morph of purge that cuts the cost to less than half the original. Hehe, no idea eh!!

And how do I pressure someone that breaks free, roll dodges, and is now immune to all my control spells with your proposed root immunity!? I 'pressure' them, with what, 4 seconds of gap closers? Sounds like a great way to move quickly out of position to me, no thanks!

If seen many stam builds that run it actually. Mainly stam blades in fact. You should check it out. It even reduces the duration of any follow up negearive effects by 50% for 6 seconds.

BohnT · March 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

techprince wrote: »

I would say add 5 second root immunity to cleanse.

Aaaaand every stam build has just slotted efficient purge and can't physically be killed because nothing locks them down anymore!!!

You have no idea purge costs you 5k magicka no stam build can sustain as you have a Pool of 10k magicka with 1k regen every 2 seconds so you can solely use purge 3 times before you have to wait 10! Seconds for the next one and every stamina spec uses 1 magicka skill for sure so you end up with 1 or 2 purged max.

and why can't you kill them now? are you playing with ground aoes or why do they have to stay on on spot to make them kill able? It is so easy killing stamina builds just pressure them a bit and then cc them and use your full burst and they are gone. Or wait until they forget to recast vigor what happens a lot as the 5 seconds not very long.
And as mag nightblade you even have it easier. Use dots to negate vigor / rally heals and then attack them or go into cloak and meteor/ fear them with assassin's will proc.
No root immunity won't make anyone unkillable but makes it harder for these 1 button spammers

I did say efficient purge. The morph of purge that cuts the cost to less than half the original. Hehe, no idea eh!!

And how do I pressure someone that breaks free, roll dodges, and is now immune to all my control spells with your proposed root immunity!? I 'pressure' them, with what, 4 seconds of gap closers? Sounds like a great way to move quickly out of position to me, no thanks!

If seen many stam builds that run it actually. Mainly stam blades in fact. You should check it out. It even reduces the duration of any follow up negearive effects by 50% for 6 seconds.

I tried it and it is 100% useless, and I used efficient purge and it still costs 4.800 magicka for my nb so I didn't make anything up. You see that every action you listed is defensive? They won't do damage while dodge rolling or break free it only costs resources, that's like saying tanks in pvp are op because you can't kill them they can't kill you either and as soon as the go into offence they are vulnerable and easily kill able

MyKillv2.0 · March 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

My current strategy is die, then when they are teabagging me my guildies rush in and wipe em out. That or spam Breath of Life until the cavalry arrive.

My new favorite quote on the forums

THEDKEXPERIENCE · March 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
Just curious what ultimate do you suggest because man on my Mag DK when I take advantage of the root spam since it's funny. People try to shuffle I'm like k I got fossilize and here's a talon for you; back to the ultimate let's say they dawnbreak me... well on my MagDK I'm almost if not close to perma blocking because why? Well you can easily do it lol.

They can meteor me and I will eat it with absorb magicka, they can use their destro ultimate and I will eat it with absorb magic or use corrosive armor.

The undeniable issue here is root spam (not DK as a whole) is a thing and shouldn't exist in a this game, you may cite abilities you can use but that doesn't stop me from causing you to consistently break free from my hard cc then follow up with a soft cc. My resources will drain far less then the person I'm fighting and that's easy since I'll gain my ultimate faster anyway especially since I use akaviri dragonguard.

Soul Assault: Better known as the Dragon Knight killer.

It only costs like 92 ultimate so, in this situation it's root-mist form-SA-Radiant Oppression generally.

And, to be clear if I'm get rooted by 5 guys at once, it's mist form-mist form-mist form-line of sight- invisibility potion- run.

Paneross · March 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
Just curious what ultimate do you suggest because man on my Mag DK when I take advantage of the root spam since it's funny. People try to shuffle I'm like k I got fossilize and here's a talon for you; back to the ultimate let's say they dawnbreak me... well on my MagDK I'm almost if not close to perma blocking because why? Well you can easily do it lol.

They can meteor me and I will eat it with absorb magicka, they can use their destro ultimate and I will eat it with absorb magic or use corrosive armor.

The undeniable issue here is root spam (not DK as a whole) is a thing and shouldn't exist in a this game, you may cite abilities you can use but that doesn't stop me from causing you to consistently break free from my hard cc then follow up with a soft cc. My resources will drain far less then the person I'm fighting and that's easy since I'll gain my ultimate faster anyway especially since I use akaviri dragonguard.

And, to be clear if I'm get rooted by 5 guys at once, it's mist form-mist form-mist form-line of sight- invisibility potion- run.

So your counter to root spam is run away? That seems like a fair trade.

MaxwellC · March 2017

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
That ultimate isn't adequate what so ever and is not a counter to someone who just stated they permablock on a mag DK. You can go SA into radiant and I can laugh as I perma block you hit igneous shield and heal through your dismal damage. On top of you using SA what's stopping me from going towards you and hitting you with burning embers spam lol, you can cite "I'll be out of range ofc" and I will say yeah and I will be around the corner breaking your ultimate thanks to LoS. I play PvP a lot too with a combine rank (from all 3 characters) of a warlord with my stam DK being the highest PvP (Legate).

If you get rooted by 5 guys you are not escaping, unless you're a sorc emperor. If you think you can do that as a DK then you're clearly full of yourself mate.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · March 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
That ultimate isn't adequate what so ever and is not a counter to someone who just stated they permablock on a mag DK. You can go SA into radiant and I can laugh as I perma block you hit igneous shield and heal through your dismal damage. On top of you using SA what's stopping me from going towards you and hitting you with burning embers spam lol, you can cite "I'll be out of range ofc" and I will say yeah and I will be around the corner breaking your ultimate thanks to LoS. I play PvP a lot too with a combine rank (from all 3 characters) of a warlord with my stam DK being the highest PvP (Legate).

If you get rooted by 5 guys you are not escaping, unless you're a sorc emperor. If you think you can do that as a DK then you're clearly full of yourself mate.

You can do whatever you want. It works against 95% of people.

Kodrac · March 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Some elaboration is required.

None needed

OP changed the title. It now makes sense.

sneakymitchell · March 2017

No cooldown on immune to root. If running away from Zerg. Get snared from gap closer and then root spam. And it's not on dks. It's mostly sorcs. Everyone should spec to sorc cause they got the best substain in the game just press a button and u got 25% of ur stam or magic back. No need to use a pot. Unless going balls deep mode and just bursting things down with implosion.

WalksonGraves · March 2017

I hear if y

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
Just curious what ultimate do you suggest because man on my Mag DK when I take advantage of the root spam since it's funny. People try to shuffle I'm like k I got fossilize and here's a talon for you; back to the ultimate let's say they dawnbreak me... well on my MagDK I'm almost if not close to perma blocking because why? Well you can easily do it lol.

They can meteor me and I will eat it with absorb magicka, they can use their destro ultimate and I will eat it with absorb magic or use corrosive armor.

The undeniable issue here is root spam (not DK as a whole) is a thing and shouldn't exist in a this game, you may cite abilities you can use but that doesn't stop me from causing you to consistently break free from my hard cc then follow up with a soft cc. My resources will drain far less then the person I'm fighting and that's easy since I'll gain my ultimate faster anyway especially since I use akaviri dragonguard.

Soul Assault: Better known as the Dragon Knight killer.

It only costs like 92 ultimate so, in this situation it's root-mist form-SA-Radiant Oppression generally.

And, to be clear if I'm get rooted by 5 guys at once, it's mist form-mist form-mist form-line of sight- invisibility potion- run.

You can't mist form out of roots

THEDKEXPERIENCE · March 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I hear if y

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

MaxwellC wrote: »

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
Just curious what ultimate do you suggest because man on my Mag DK when I take advantage of the root spam since it's funny. People try to shuffle I'm like k I got fossilize and here's a talon for you; back to the ultimate let's say they dawnbreak me... well on my MagDK I'm almost if not close to perma blocking because why? Well you can easily do it lol.

They can meteor me and I will eat it with absorb magicka, they can use their destro ultimate and I will eat it with absorb magic or use corrosive armor.

The undeniable issue here is root spam (not DK as a whole) is a thing and shouldn't exist in a this game, you may cite abilities you can use but that doesn't stop me from causing you to consistently break free from my hard cc then follow up with a soft cc. My resources will drain far less then the person I'm fighting and that's easy since I'll gain my ultimate faster anyway especially since I use akaviri dragonguard.

Soul Assault: Better known as the Dragon Knight killer.

It only costs like 92 ultimate so, in this situation it's root-mist form-SA-Radiant Oppression generally.

And, to be clear if I'm get rooted by 5 guys at once, it's mist form-mist form-mist form-line of sight- invisibility potion- run.

You can't mist form out of roots

Yes you can. I did it as recently as last night. In fact I do it literally daily.

Junipus · March 2017

People complaining about roots and other L2P issues can complain until they nerf it into the ground, but you'll still be *** and die against experienced and skilled players.

Arkangeloski · April 2017

Gaggin wrote: »

You know its a root, not a stun right? You can still hit the other guy. if a magdk is spamming root he'll run out of mag before you run out of whatever resource you're stacking, heal up or dodge roll out of there. Its a melee-range ability, if you're not built for melee combat stay at range and block the chains.

I swear some people get upset about anything that kills them.

Obviously u arent very good as a magdk and just stand there and take it... lol every dk knows when you use talons + fosilise you go around and atack from the back because the enemy cant rotate untill he dodge rolls out of it.

Arkangeloski · April 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

A root immunity is needed. No one can sustain leaving roots more than ~6 times on a stam build that isn't fully based around dodge rolling, shuffle doesn't reliably work and only works for medium armor builds ( I feel dirty helping heavy armor)
Shuffle costs ~ 3k stam with 100 points into warlord and 7/7 medium, you'll have about 33k stam. You won't encounter an enemy with full stamina though so let's assume we have 27k stam left.
Now we start the fight first thing that hits us: fossilize say goodbye to 7k stam because of break free and dodge roll, we cast vigor to heal ourselves, regen gives us vigor cost back. 2 second into the fight and we are at 20k max stam and our next dodge roll in the following 4 seconds will cost ~4k stam, we better use shuffle again so we can escape the talons for short period of time -3k stam. Let's pressure him we lose about 1k stam after regen gives us stam back. Now we are at 16k stamina after 5 seconds in fight. We need to dodge roll to get some heals with vigor as the damage is getting too much. Goodbye 2k stam and hello cost penalty some attacks and cast shuffle again, 4k stam gone in the next 3 seconds and we sit at 10k stam after 8 seconds of fight against a dk because we have to used so much stamina because of the missing root immunity.

I know this isn't the perfect scenario but in a real fight you will dodge roll too often or buff a skill twice because of lag so the resource drain is realistic.

TL:DR we need root immunity

There are many ways for immunity already
Like assault skill retreating maneuvers
Heavy armor skill immovable
Immovable pots.

Why people keep saying this? Immovable nor pots works with talons... it only works for cc knockback immunity (Fear bash dizzying swing n so on) in wich is not the case here, we're talking about roots...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2017

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

It's the shortest range root in the game though!! Why is DK root a problem but not the others!? Shuffle grants immunity and purges it, retreating manuver grants immunity and purges it, purge purges it, must form grants immunity and purges it!? You want a passive immunity too!?

It's a problem if your stamina melee you can move so they stand and stack DoTs then whip spam.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · April 2017

Roots have no real counter if they were just a L2P issue both Teleport Strike and Bombard when not have had their roots nerfed. If it's simply a L2P issue why have they removed the perma spam of two powers.

NBrookus · April 2017

MaxwellC wrote: »

@THEDKEXPERIENCE
That ultimate isn't adequate what so ever and is not a counter to someone who just stated they permablock on a mag DK. You can go SA into radiant and I can laugh as I perma block you hit igneous shield and heal through your dismal damage.

I've gotten rage whispers about not dying to Soul Assault. It ticks for like 900 damage when blocking and with igneous shield I have zero killing blows on my KC from this ability.

If multiple people are radiant and soul assaulting and also real dpsing me... yeah, I am going down. But if I am getting zerged like that it's usually just irrelevant details. Chances are of if deliberately go out to face a zerg I don't expect to survive, I'm just buying time anyway.

IDK why people keep focusing on just DK roots, like raids running dedicated encase spammers and negate monkeys isn't a thing. And encase if a lot cheaper than talons, plus being ranged. Root spam sucks but the gap closer snare and the poison that roots you in mist form is WAY worse.

The_Smilemeister · April 2017

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

OpponentSmile66 wrote: »

First of all, forget Dragonknights for a minute. We're talking about an effect here. I think slamming on Dragonknights for an effect that comes with an ability of theirs is not only missing the point, but is also uneccessary especially since talons is not the only thing that can root.

Now on to the root cause (no pun intended) of the problem. For every problem there needs to be a solution. There are also problems to every solution, however it's a continuous cycle of ideas and strategies that allow for issues to be overcome and for new issues to come about.

Stuns can be solved by immunities granted from breaking free and by abilities from the medium and heavy armour skill lines. Cloak can be solved by another Nightblade using piercing marks in order to reveal the hiding Player. Damaged health can be solved by using a heal. You get the picture.

Let's have a look at root. How do you overcome roots? Well... you can't.

The problem with roots is that there's no counter. Whether it's immunity gained from dodge rolling or a passive gained when casting an ability, there's no solution to rooting. Rooting is a major resource drain which is a serious detriment to Stamina builds and even Magicka builds occasionally and because there's no way to actually counter it means that it can be unfairly exploited.

Someone mentioned that people complaining should go for ranged combat instead. #1 - That's not solving the problem, that's avoiding it. #2 - What about builds which require melee combat in order to properly function (there are many Magicka builds that rely on dual wield or one handed/shield to be viable)?
#3 - Even if using ranged as a means of avoiding root, what if you get ambushed or someone unexpectedly gets too close and then they constantly root you?

I agree with most people in saying that some form of immunity should be applied to roots, even if it's a short immunity. At least then you have a solution.

Asking to nerf Dragonknights or saying L2P to people is not solving the problem at all. Focus on what the actual problem is and suggest how it can be solved.

Mist Form is the counter. You might not want to be a vampire but don't pretend there is not an option. You can Mist Form right out of any root instantly.

Mist Form is the paper to a root's rock. Stop pretending this does not exist.

Well then you've completely missed my point. As a vampire I'm well aware of the existence of mist form. If it had provided some form of immunity, of course I would've mentioned it.

All you mentioned is a Magicka costing alternative to roll dodge. That's it. It doesn't provide immunity to roots.

My comment was about the lack of immunity to counter root, not a lack of ways to break out. Dodge rolling and mist form are not counters otherwise besides breaking free they'd grant immunity. Immunity is a counter. Breaking free is not.

Next time how about refraining from assumptions and pretending that you understood a post. You won't look so silly next time.