If a CP 600 player leaves your group

SquareSausage · March 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

I recently did a random vet dungeon,

Lol, random vet, now dude, just for the hell of it, right?

central_scrutinizer · March 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

When you go for random dungeon and get vet DLC dung with <160 cp people - I just leave, as it is obvious that I am going to have a bad time.

PUGs are annoying because they don't understand where damage is coming from and then they can suddenly leave.

For example: I get to vet Vollenfel (or whatever it is spelled) as a healer on my mag dk with vma build that has resto staff, so no problem.

On first boss I see that group dps is 12k and start DPSing... eventually end up soloing the whole dungeon and get constantly flamed by group members for not knowing how to play this game. On last boss they take HM and get wiped, I explain how to get away from blue boss and ask for 20 seconds to replace moondancer for lich 5x so I would be able to solo the boss and everyone leaves... so I just wasted almost hour of my time...

Don't blame anyone who had bad experience with PUGs and just doesn't want the aggro.

Unless you get grouped with those exact people, you're just trying to make excuses for treating others poorly and being afraid of pixels. If you can't handle a pug, don't pug, it's simple.

KochDerDamonen · March 2017

...Or maybe I'd be happy to spend an hour plus of my time helping an inexperienced player with mechanics, consumables, even gear if they were more open to being helped and I had the time to do this around half my random dungeon queues. That's not sarcasm, those are things I've done plenty of times if the player(s) will accept my assistance and don't start crying about 'play my way' 'X is unbalanced' when I'm just trying to tell them that they need AoE attacks for Grobull and offering good picks for their build.

Some days? Some days I've already done that, I've just got off work and only want to do like one shorter run, I've just randomed vICP with a sub-cp160 twice in a row, or something happens to come up and I have to bail(not without warning, unless it's super urgent of course).

It might make ya feel nice to slap a label and an intention on people that do something you don't like, but it's just as bad as the folks that scoot around demandimg the lfg tool not put them with noobs and cp600 w/ 35k unbuffed dps only pls

Nelson_Rebel · March 2017

Here's my two cents

If I'm doing white gold tower, ICP, or the other two DLC dungeons and I get paired with sub 200 CP
I leave. Plain and simple. I don't mind teaching for some of the other dungeon runs as most of them can be completed anyways, but I'm not going to waste an hour of my time on a single dungeon. I pug because it's not always practical to wait for people in different time zones to get off work, just because I'm in a guild or two doesn't mean that someone is always available and Pugging is necessary just to complete dailies before I have to get off with what little time I have to play.

So for you to judge others for leaving without understanding that there are other circumstances involved is narrow minded and lazy.

A lot of us are also solo players too and then there are players who just want quick runs. Their decision is not yours to complain about and tell them they shouldn't que if they don't carry you

GoodFella146 · March 2017

malicia wrote: »

Very true.

I'm sitting in the middle - CP300 - and both the best and the worst players I've found in PUG groups were CP>500. Most groups can do the dungeons, and a CP600 who knows his stuff makes things go so much more smoothly.

The worst ones IMO were those who want to speed-run and thus queued for a role, without gearing and setting skills for that role. They're the ones who runs ahead of the tank, draw mobs from further down that the group aren't ready for, who forego healing in favor of DPS (when queued as healer), or who make snide comments about the group. Fortunately, they're few and far between.

Lvl 40 or CP600 - people are people. Idiots in real life tends to be idiots ingame as well, irrespective of how many CP they have.

You mostly described me in the center paragraph! Though I will ask in the group chat if we all can just run ahead first, then end up destro ulting all the mobs down that I pulled if I did speed ahead. Usually nobody replies to me though and it ends up being a horrible experience anyway. It's frustrating having such a disparity between players (which is nobody's fault necessarily), but to not even reply to somebody asking in the group text chat then kicking that player is pretty BS.

The whole system was fine upon release honestly (except that search didn't find anyone) and wasting more of ppl's time because of many different issues is ridiculous.

Or even better they could introduce trait change or something similar so that we don't have to endlessly do these dailys we've all done for years just to get the piece of gear we want. I don't want to play the dungeons, lots of ppl don't want to play with me in the dungeons because I want to speed run, yet we're all forced to play together due to the horrible system in place.

zaria · March 2017

tonemd wrote: »

You guys should get more PVP only players to queue up. Lots of Lvl 50, 600cp+ players out there who don't know *** about dungeons and probably won't complain. For vet dungeons all you gotta do is teach mechanics.

I've been queuing up for normals and a few vets just to get a feel for these things and usually have decent to great groups. I've only gotten a few groups where people queued for roles they couldn't (or wouldn't) do. I must say, I am surprised at how easy some of these vanilla vet dungeons are.

As for 600 "elites" ditching groups, why would an elite player be using the finder in the first place? Why would anyone looking for a 15 minute vet hard mode run for some helm waste their time gambling for a BiS group? That just seems stupid to me. Enjoy the serendipity, but expect the worst and have the patience to deal with it.

Bit of my question too, if you are an good cp capped player why queue for dungeons, why simply not ask in guild.
Talk of normal dungeons even, something smell bad.
Yes its plenty of good reasons however expecting all to be over cp160 in an normal dungeon is idiotic.
And its reasons to quit, all other below 30 in dlc dungeon,
And the hopeless ones, healer and tank has bows on both bars, dps using only light attack, group wipe on fist trash in Wayrest sewer. Idiots who don't manage to follow instructions is more common

oicero · March 2017

I've purchased ESO like 1 and a half years ago but started to play this year like 5 months. I'm an altoholic. Just made 3 toons. Never grinded. Just did daily dungeon and questing. After lvl50 did pledges etc...
I'm now cp415. I'm still on a learning process. This game offers too much unlike any other MMOs like Thief Guild or Dark Brotherhood and still not completed them.

Why?
Because the broken "Dungeon Finder" system. I had good days and bad days about random dungeons. I have seen very understanding people which they asked me from time to time "have you ever done this?" or "do you know the mechanics?". And I used to say "I'm totally new to the game.. etc etc.." Then patiently they told me what to do or not to do.

And sometimes I've seen people kicked me from normal dungeons because I was like cp2xx without telling anything. And some of the time people rage quit on a normal dungeon and left a note for us like "[snip] noobs".
So I didn't QQ about it. I don't QQ about it. I can understand they have their own reasons.
Now as I mentioned about it I'm 415 and sorry sometimes I quit too.

When?
1) A player queued as tank+dps+healer with low cp.
2) A tank has no agro management that poor healer runs around like a headless chicken with adds behind.
3) A tank with a bow just pew pew. (weird right)
4) A tank with 12k hp in a veteran dungeon
5) A healer not healing but trying to dps and at the same time group members falls one by one.
6) A player doesn't communicate with you and answer your questions.

I don't care the other dps with bow just runs around. Now I do more than half of the damage and I don't care to kill the boss in 1-2 mins later.

Survivability is the key. Nobody likes to die. Nobody likes to do same boss over and over because of one dumb doesn't close portals when his screen goes grey or interrupt the two adds in Cradle of Shadows. Or standing and dieing on red circles like colorblinds as a tank. Or roll&dodge on you again and again to stack aoe in CoH2. Yes after explaining what to do or not to do several times.

I'm 40 years old now and I have enough experience to cope these situations since I have a long MMORPG history. I have seen any kind of people. This is not your home or backyard or your bar to spend time with your friends. Even two brother can't deal with each other and we play on a world that players come from different cultures and nationalities. Your group players are totally strangers that maybe you won't even allow to get them in your home as visitors but you play with them.

I'm sorry to tell you this but... Get used to it...

And safe travels...

[Edit for censor bypass]

Drummerx04 · March 2017

I did ICP as a tank a few days ago, the group dps wasn't fantastic, but it was enough to kill the flesh atros before enrage. We were moving along with minimal casualties until we hit the watcher boss. Then suddenly the group WOULD NOT interrupt or focus kill the necromancers until they got overwhelmed by adds. Then I'm just sitting there as a tank with 40 skeletons chasing me waiting for 3k LL ticks to kill everything (which basically doesn't work).

So the healer quits and I say screw it. Swap to dps and kick the crap out of everything. I even summoned my scamp and used hit to straight tank the flesh abomination. You haven't seen funny until you've seen a 2ft tall scamp tanking a 30ft tall poison spewing flesh atro.

geonsocal · March 2017

i think the key issue is someone's time...normally if I do sign on for a daily - I'm not in a rush, cuz I know it is just as likely things can go bad pretty fast as it is you'll have a very quick run...

it makes me laugh like crazy though watching people do weird stuff - so, I tend to stick it out in either case...

I love it when folks run ahead of the group and die, or, get wiped on the first trash mob (oh, this'll be an interesting run

)...

my favorite is when you get to the last boss and you get that one player who just wants to spam light attacks with their bow or staff and try to stay hidden in the corner...seeing that never gets old...

I look at it like a dungeon handicap - time to see if you can finish with just 2 or 3 players...

ssewallb14_ESO · March 2017

I'm fairly patient with low levels, especially with players willing to learn.

If the level 20 Leeroys in while I'm explaining mechanics, then fails every mechanic, Yea I'm out. You're not entitled to a babysitter in a video game.

kewl · March 2017

689 cp, in since beta, can play any of the three roles. Use group finder for the majority of my duengon runs. Not sure what everyone is complaining about. I like a challenge and making new friends.

Acrolas · March 2017

I'm just a sad sad super l33t healer-tank,
crying in the corner of a dark dark dungeon pass,
this pet stam sorc does nothing but spam light bow attacks,
i wrestle with my moral obligation to rescue his sorry ***.

Bobby_V_Rockit · March 2017

I agree mostly, I'm cp600 but am not good enough to carry anyone (except vCoA1) thru a vet dungeon. So I leave if others are loooow cp and its a hard dungeon. I never scream at anyone and I usually say "sorry guys, I'm not good enough for this one." And see myself out.

SirDopey · March 2017

Hmm I'll give most groups the benefit of the doubt these days but know when to quit instead of driving myself to the brink of insanity.

Case in point, CoA2 both tank and healer <100 cp. The other DPS >700 whispers me saying he's gonna bail after looking at their stats, tell him to give them the benefit of the doubt. Get to first boss, tank (22k hp) dies in about 5 seconds - other DPS immediately leaves, I rez tank but he goes down about another 5 - 10 seconds and the healer a few seconds later. I at least solo the the boss down before leaving group and tell them they're going to be in there for a very long time when the tank and healer can't keep themselves alive.....

Sure, could have made it all the way to the 3rd boss (which I can't solo on that character) - spent an hour or two on it and then quit, but why put yourself through it?

br0steen · March 2017

I usually do the dailies on my tank.

Vet spindleclutch 2 is one of the worst dungeons to pug if you are the only cp600. Thats my experience at least.

I've had quite a few runs with players cp160-599 who cannot defeat bloodspawn before it enrages. Yes, homestead. Impossible right? No.

When this happens I try to give out pointers, where to find builds, what to Google etc. I don't say you guys are terrible, l2p, gg, scrub city, or anything like that which is commonly heard on Xbox one.
Every time I reached out it usually ends with me leaving because they refuse to acknowledge the problem. Sometimes ill get voted to kick. I once got "stfu I have 6000 weapon damage you need more dps!" I said I was the tank and he left group. Not many people seem to be willing to take help.

TL;DR
People are idiots. Some idiots are terrible.

kyle.wilson · March 2017

SquareSausage wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

I recently did a random vet dungeon,

Lol, random vet, now dude, just for the hell of it, right?

Needed to finish unlocking undaunted passives for an alt.

peak99 · March 2017

akl77 wrote: »

Not really, if the healer or tank 600 that are outstanding at their role, but can't dps, how are they going to carry bad dps that just couldn't get the first 4 tigers down after a min in vet coa2. You can heal then and make sure they don't die, but the lacking in dps won't get pass the boss, the 2nd boss's adds will just keeps Restore her health at a rate greater than your group's dps. Then if you don't leave you'll be there forever.

I group find on console all the time as all 3 classes....I'll simply switch my skills to carry IF it's needed. Most dungeons it's not other than the ocassioanlly switch to s/b taunt the final boss.

I wouldn't solo q as a full on healer or tank without my own damage. That sounds huge potential for an afternoon of headaches

raglau · March 2017

It's a time thing for me. Esimation of a non-DLC vet dungeon is 15 mins or so completion, so I may run the Finder to knock off a quick pledge between meetings, well, when the crappy new Finder works. If get in there and see some 'play your way' DPS in heavy armour swinging a 2-handed sword I will be immediately suspicious but will always sit it out to the 1st boss. If my suspicions are confirmed I'll politely say I'm leaving as the DPS is low, and drop the group.

If I have some more time I may assist the group, because with nice players that can be rewarding in itself. If they are ignoramii who do not respond to chat or approach anything in a rational way (pull mobs, run ahead, stand in red over and over) then it's not really my job to carry them. You can bring a horse to water and all that...

Tinus_92 · March 2017

Absalon wrote: »

If you farming a specific gear on pugs, any under 160cp is a waste of slot.

Why would you farm gear on pugs? You know you can expect lesser cps there.

MaddPowered · March 2017

Im over max rank. The only time i leave a random are if:
A) the dungeon is RoM, CoS, CoA2, ICP

if the pugs blow

GawdSB · March 2017

Honestly with CP 500 and close to BiS gear you can carry the group on most dungeons. They aren't very hard at this point

Dark_Aether · March 2017

I have no problem with people quitting because the group keeps wiping and not impoving. I have a problem with people using the grouping tool and wasting my time because they see your CP and quit at the front door. If you I end up with a 15mns penalty because you are insecure, you bet your *** you are going on the **** list.

central_scrutinizer · March 2017

Dark_Aether wrote: »

I have no problem with people quitting because the group keeps wiping and not impoving. I have a problem with people using the grouping tool and wasting my time because they see your CP and quit at the front door. If you I end up with a 15mns penalty because you are insecure, you bet your *** you are going on the **** list.

I agree completely. I've never faulted anybody for leaving a group that was failing and had people who would not communicate and so forth. But the folks who leave right off the bat without even seeing how the group plays always go on ignore so I never accidentally help them or pick them up when I have some extra spots in a raid ect.

TheEvilJD · March 2017

I joined the game late, so havr experienced both sides of the issue here.

When I was levelling up and starting on dungeons, I would find some groups max CP players would leave or if we wiped once leave the group. I think these sort of players need to understand if it is the first time a player has done this dungeon they will need extra support on strategy of certain bosses or tips on their role. Leaving the group isn't helping anyone or fixing the issue for future groups.

However as I've increased in CP (now nearing 400) I've almost found roles reversed, a healer with 50cp that struggles to keep the tank and DDs alive.... low damage DD etc.... but I always try and do what I can to help improve players struggling, even when I know we won't complete the dungeon.

I ask that experienced players please give new/low CP players a chance, and maybe even help them improve!

acw37162 · March 2017

No player from level 1 to CP 600 is required to stay in dungeons or content they don't want to be in.

They are not wrong or bad for leaving.

If leaving is the best option for you, then leave. If you want to stay and try to teach great. If you don't want because the group is toxic, you don't have time,, or you just flat out have better options you are not "wrong" "bad" or "what's wrong" the ESO community.

Players are free to make their own choices for their own reasons without guilt threads and forum users taking partial information and creating blame threads.

KingYogi415 · March 2017

Nice humble-brag based an ego driven fallacy.

Cheers!

SublimeSparo · March 2017

akl77 wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Try it as a tank in a pug group with lvl 20s and less in Imperial City Prison. I asked, and they're new players.

Nobody has time for that. I, for one, only had half an hour.

So I advised the group to leave the dungeon and hope random dungeon finder deposits them into a friendlier dungeon.

So do I suck? Maybe. I do have several vMoL clears under my belt along with many more of the rest of the vet trials, with my name in some of the permanent leaderboards. You decide though.

Tanking vMol is real achievements.

Tanking vmol is pretty easy tbh

SublimeSparo · March 2017

code65536 wrote: »

Good DPS can carry bad tanks or healers.
Good tanks or healers can't carry bad DPS.

Except that one time i put tremorscale and dbos on and killed rilis and the daedroths in bc1, was only normal mind, and the dd's did just about manage to kill the feasts. Yea bad times.

Marktoneth3 · March 2017

tank not taunt

heal not heal

dps spam light attack

if continue like this twice after I tell them what to do this simple task and they couldn't pull it out, I will quit immediately.

Stannum · March 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

I always que as tank, and when I see I have a level 48 and CP 168 as my dd's I'm sorry but I'm out, I'm not spending 2 hours on wayrest sewers to help dudes with baby deeps

1. non vet dng is so simple that can be done by PUG in 15 min without any trouble.
2. lev 48 can have more CP then you, and via scaling can have DPS more then CP600.