Will you help us Honor a loyal Gamer?

malicia · March 2017

I've tried to capture the issues with an open-world system, with possible solutions in my suggestion (third page of this thread).

Turelus wrote: »

Of ZOS implemented a book people could have signed with names there could still be a number of issues.
Firstly this isn't something we could sign, or we'd have offensive bad disrespectful messages in no time.

Don't make it an open book. ZoS can allow for e.g. two weeks for entries to be sent to them, whether it is from friends, guildies, or PvP enemies wanting to show respect. Once that is done, ZoS moderate the entries, put it into the book, and close the book. No further entries possible. But I totally agree - no player should be able to make permanent changes to any content of the open world.

Turelus wrote: »

Secondly if ZOS handles this and we send requests what stops people abusing the system for jokes.

The player who requests a memorial must send them a Certificate of Death. Should it later come to light that the certificate was fake, the player who sent it to them can be held responsible.

Turelus · March 2017

malicia wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Secondly if ZOS handles this and we send requests what stops people abusing the system for jokes.

The player who requests a memorial must send them a Certificate of Death. Should it later come to light that the certificate was fake, the player who sent it to them can be held responsible.

That's a pretty demanding task for international gaming. I would have no idea how to get my hands on a death certificate from an EU country if a friend was from there, nor how to contact their family etc.

malicia · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

malicia wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Secondly if ZOS handles this and we send requests what stops people abusing the system for jokes.

The player who requests a memorial must send them a Certificate of Death. Should it later come to light that the certificate was fake, the player who sent it to them can be held responsible.

That's a pretty demanding task for international gaming. I would have no idea how to get my hands on a death certificate from an EU country if a friend was from there, nor how to contact their family etc.

I know, and that's the idea. Think of it this way - how do you know that the person has died? You either saw it on Facebook, which means that you have a way to contact the deceased's relatives, or you had some other kind of contact with the deceased. That is the channel you'll use to get a copy of the cert.

It is give and take. The OP is the one who wants ZOS to honour his friend. Let's face it, to ZOS his friend is just another faceless client among millions. Any personal requests adds to their workload, whether it is for a humane cause or not. If they're willing to do it, I really don't think it is too much to ask the requestor to get a copy of the cert. The idea is to honour or respect a deceased friend. If you're not willing to go to the efforts of getting the cert, are you then really so keen on showing that respect?

Betheny · March 2017

I made a suggestion about making a Memorial Garden in one of the friend's player houses or in a guild house, which the OP didn't comment on (he instead focused on arguing with someone about getting ZOS to make an official thing for him).

That leads me to start thinking that perhaps OP doesn't actually want to honour his friend, perhaps OP just wants some kind of personal fame for doing this or getting it done officially.

Turelus · March 2017

Betheny wrote: »

I made a suggestion about making a Memorial Garden in one of the friend's player houses or in a guild house, which the OP didn't comment on (he instead focused on arguing with someone about getting ZOS to make an official thing for him).

That leads me to start thinking that perhaps OP doesn't actually want to honour his friend, perhaps OP just wants some kind of personal fame for doing this or getting it done officially.

Whilst I won't speak for the OP or anyone else who's lost friends in a gaming community I will speak generally on this.

This is also a concern I would have. Some people are less interested in the loss of their friend and more interested in the "fame" of having something placed in a game they asked for. I would imagine if we ever had public monuments it would also attract people like this.

The issue with a public monument for an individual yet public tribute is no one know who it's for. If something is placed publicly because ZOS chose (without player request) to honour a member of the community they felt went above and beyond and was well known then at least there would be official news about it that others could be linked back to.

Egonieser · March 2017

Kalgert wrote: »

I am sorry, but.... Why?

As someone else had a somewhat realistic view on him, and was pretty much spat on because "How dare you be so insensitive", I just want to say... Why go through the whole "Make a memorium for him in the game". It just feels like you're trying to sensationalize the passing of someone you consider as a close friend, it feels like a disservice to his name for the sake of "Hey, put in an item or an NPC or something to remember him", and then dragging other players in to it.

Call me cynical, but it feels like something that you want so you could point at and say "Hey, look at that thing, it was made to honor a good friend of mine who I was friends with".

Do not get me wrong, I do think that such symbols are fairly nice gestures, but I believe players that have moved on to Sovngarde should be remembered in the hearts of those that they have affected, and not in some trivial item/NPC who's only purpose is to remind people "Hey, this player existed at one point".

I do not see why there should be memorial items added in to games whenever someone passes away. Let the memorial remain in the guild's hearts, otherwise it just strikes as you trying to cash in on his passing to get an item inserted, or an NPC put in, and honestly... You don't sound like a good friend for that.

Do I sound like a jerk? I definitely do, but understand where I am coming from this. As someone who's suffered a loss in November, I would probably feel somewhat offended if the beloved family member that was taken from me would then be the talk of the town in a forum and then have people start shouting "Put them in the game as a memorial!".

I wouldn't want that. Let the loved ones live on in the hearts of friends and family, not in a videogame.

Fully agreed.

MrTibbs · March 2017

Zazariz wrote: »

One more house-fish and a plaque wouldn't be difficult (At least I don't think it'd be difficult, I could be wrong I don't know) to add in at any patch, and EVERYONE gets a use out of it.

People who want the fish get the fish, people who want to write stupid stuff on a plaque like "If you read this you are a moron" get to do that, as someone said earlier, and people who want to use it for memorials get to do so as well.

Heck, I completely abandon my book idea and fully support the idea of Crab-Slaughter-Crane being made into a housing item, and a plaque that can be edited. I also liked the idea about a memorial garden in the OP's guild's hall to serve in that fashion as well.

Combining Zazariz's and Bethany's ideas would be awesome!! For that matter, there are MANY trophy items I have looted or stolen that I would love to put in my house. Don't know how hard it would be to make them housing items and then an editable plaque would be amazing... you can name your horse and pets so shouldn't be too hard to implement something simple and nice like this but like Zaz said, it may be hard...I'm not a programmer so what do I know.

Locnaar · March 2017

Welcome to forum warriors Mr.Tibbs. Nastier than any trial you have ever hosted. I have read and re-read your original post and suggest some of the nay-sayers do the same before trying to derail this thread.

* steps down from soap box*

On a lighter note,"did I ever tell you about the time I was fishing...."

Locnaar · March 2017

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/332032/custom-notes-books-plaques-and-more#latest
you are not the only one interested in this.

Katahdin · March 2017

I am sorry to hear about the loss of your guild mate and friend and I respect your desire to remember him.

However if ZoS honors this request, how do they not honor all of the other beloved guild mates and friends that have died? If they honor this and not everyone else, it could get ugly. How do they prevent abuse by people that want to get their name memorialized in a video game?

I respectfully submit that this could open a can of worms that would be very difficult to deal with and I do not think it is a good idea.

Dragonking06 · March 2017

Zyrudin wrote: »

Dragonking06 wrote: »

@Kay1 Don't be mad at him. Just pity him. How sad and alone he must be, to feel the need to come on here and spew his vitriol (...)

I beg to disagree here, though. I did not read any "vitriol" from raidentenshu_ESO, if that is who you are referring to. I did see him, however, giving his opinion and remaining respectful. He pointed out his concerns, whether or not anyone else agrees with them or sees it the same way.

Just because someone may have a form of expressing himself/herself that seems colder than what some other people would like or prefer, it does not mean that this person is being negative or purposefully disruptive.

@Zyrudin No, no. Kay was venting at someone else that was being very disrespectful. Raidentenshu on the other hand was being respectful and I have no problems with.

EDIT: Seems a mod has removed the post in question. lol

MrTibbs · March 2017

Yes I agree Katahdin that it could get messy but as posted by Giles it could be very simple by just adding customizable plaque or something to that effect that could allow players to use it in anyway they wanted. I love this idea because it seems easy for the Devs and will accommodate any and all players whether they lost a friend or not!

Thanks Loc for posting that link! I love this idea! We should go fishing and discuss it further!

Ron_Burgundy_79 · March 2017

I usually stick to ranting about game mechanics, but holy hell the salt in this thread is worse than many of the pvp threads. There's a difference between creating a counter point and being a prick. I'm looking at you @Kalgert

@mrtibbs1181b14a_ESO took the time to seek out a way to honor a friend who loved the game. I can appreciate that. I hope ZOS can find a way to allow you and everyone else to honor their fallen friends.

KimoBitz · March 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Gargath · March 2017

145 replies so far and no ZOS' interest, does it mean they don't really care or don't want to make any exceptions?

Kalgert · March 2017

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

I usually stick to ranting about game mechanics, but holy hell the salt in this thread is worse than many of the pvp threads. There's a difference between creating a counter point and being a prick. I'm looking at you @Kalgert

A prick, am I? Just because I believe this is a very shallow thing for the OP to do?

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