Will you help us Honor a loyal Gamer?

Kalgert · March 2017

I am sorry, but.... Why?

As someone else had a somewhat realistic view on him, and was pretty much spat on because "How dare you be so insensitive", I just want to say... Why go through the whole "Make a memorium for him in the game". It just feels like you're trying to sensationalize the passing of someone you consider as a close friend, it feels like a disservice to his name for the sake of "Hey, put in an item or an NPC or something to remember him", and then dragging other players in to it.

Call me cynical, but it feels like something that you want so you could point at and say "Hey, look at that thing, it was made to honor a good friend of mine who I was friends with".

Do not get me wrong, I do think that such symbols are fairly nice gestures, but I believe players that have moved on to Sovngarde should be remembered in the hearts of those that they have affected, and not in some trivial item/NPC who's only purpose is to remind people "Hey, this player existed at one point".

I do not see why there should be memorial items added in to games whenever someone passes away. Let the memorial remain in the guild's hearts, otherwise it just strikes as you trying to cash in on his passing to get an item inserted, or an NPC put in, and honestly... You don't sound like a good friend for that.

Do I sound like a jerk? I definitely do, but understand where I am coming from this. As someone who's suffered a loss in November, I would probably feel somewhat offended if the beloved family member that was taken from me would then be the talk of the town in a forum and then have people start shouting "Put them in the game as a memorial!".

I wouldn't want that. Let the loved ones live on in the hearts of friends and family, not in a videogame.

WhiteMage · March 2017

zuto40 wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Dragonking06 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Unacceptable?? Not really.. Unacceptable would be something like demanding the devs to remake an entire zone to honor their friend, and making it open only to them..

Maybe you don't pay for that, but a lot of other people find it no problem at all.. See it as doing something good for someone

Because this game seems to have meant a huge deal to the player, which makes the game the right place to honor him.. A website would eventually die out, but ingame his memory will live on as long as the game does

This. All of this. We'll ask ZoS to make sure they don't spend any money he's exclusively spent. Meanwhile the rest of the generous community members with large hearts would happily see some of the money we spend go towards something like this.

The problem isn't with this one request, it's with where this leads.

How many more request would ZOS have, how do they choose who is and isn't worthy of memorial, how do they prove a player actually passed away and it's not just a group of friends getting a name into the game with an elaborate story?

Take the time to read this if your can: https://www.themittani.com/features/monuments and it explains a little of why I am cautious about ZOS taking this action.

There is already an unkillable bear NPC in Cyrodiil that doesn't move and is in the honor of a player who passed away. Things like this don't lead anywhere, there is no obligation for every request to be made by Zos.

where is this bear?

I think I know the bear he is talking about. Between Alessia and Roebeck there is a sort of river valley. Up at the top (which is the south end) there is a bear with an unusual name that doesn't do stuff. I'll give clearer direction after I find it again, assuming no one beats me to it.

EDIT: The bear's name is Lin, and it lies there next to a flower pot. Draw a line between Roe lumber mill and Alessia mine and you'll come across it.

Daemons_Bane · March 2017

They don't want to drag anyone into it.. They actually just made the post to get directions as to where to get hold of a Dev, so they could talk to them about it.. Everything just went around from there

MrTibbs · March 2017

Wow! We can't begin to express the gratitude and appreciation for all of your condolences and sympathy. The ideas to honor the lost are amazing and anyone of them would be a fantastic tribute. Please keep the ideas coming and the positive comments flowing. The more attention we can draw to The Lost and Fallen the more likely ZoS will be interested in looking into something like this!

nimander99 · March 2017

This should be done.

Sordidfairytale · March 2017

I think a unique "Legendary Soulgem" plaque that can be purchased from a vendor would be a fantastic way to remember a friend that is no longer with us.

If it's a public place then you will undoubtedly have people dueling on it, disgracing it etc.

MrTibbs · March 2017

Of course we have moved on from ONLY honoring our friend. This post was originally made because I knew of no other way to contact the Devs. We would love to see something for the whole community. I also tried in-game mail and this is the response I got back...

"Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online Team. My name is JD. It is great to see such enthusiasm!

We appreciate how creative and dedicated our fans are to us and to the other players in the game. Your idea is an idea that as far as I know has not yet been suggested. I would like to let you know that there is a dedicated forum where you can share and discuss ideas with other fans. In fact, we encourage you to register and post on our official forums http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/ and http://forums.bethsoft.com. A lot of new features and ideas have been initially suggested by the players, so maybe your idea will become a reality if you gather enough voices on the forum.

And we would love to see ideas like this to be made a realty.

Wishing you a great day,"

So straight from the guar's mouth...Let's see if we can't get ZoS to consider a way to honor our friends!

MrTibbs · March 2017

Apparently having this post has increased a leveling system I didn't know was here and now allows me to message specific people, which I have done. Thank all of you who were helpful and courteous! Hopefully now @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_JessicaFolsom will also be in support of something like this for the community!

s7732425ub17_ESO · March 2017

No.

He was known in your group, and you can honor him as you wish. But people die every day. I can guarantee you that many ESO players have died. Adding in items like this to honor specific players is not a tradition that should be started.

MrTibbs · March 2017

I disagree. Hence why we posted.

Daemons_Bane · March 2017

Seeing as how ZOS said "maybe your idea will become a reality if you gather enough voices on the forum.", I will officially like to give my support to this idea

Darkestnght · March 2017

I'd have to say this seems like a silly idea. People die every day hundreds, thousands....it's not an uncommon thing.

To think that someone who has played ESO, someone I don't know and could care a less about could have something done in there name inside ESO, while I personally do not thing it is a good idea at all.

MrTibbs · March 2017

Here's the cool idea though for all you naysayers.... like everything else in the game...you don't have to use it!! It's for those who would like to see it in-game and would use it!

Khenarthi · March 2017

I will join those against public memorials. A lot of players must have died in these last 3 years of ESO, some with more friends than others. I do not want to come across memorials left right and centre to people I did not know, even if the same people will surely be missed by their in-game friends.

If it's just some customisable piece of furniture I'd be ok with it - you can visit a home where it is, remember your friend, and not interfere with everyone else's experience.

Daemons_Bane · March 2017

Khenarthi wrote: »

I will join those against public memorials. A lot of players must have died in these last 3 years of ESO, some with more friends than others. I do not want to come across memorials left right and centre to people I did not know, even if the same people will surely be missed by their in-game friends.

If it's just some customisable piece of furniture I'd be ok with it - you can visit a home where it is, remember your friend, and not interfere with everyone else's experience.

I don't think that anyone suggested memorials everywhere

Most of us suggested a single piece that could hold the names of all those players that people wish remembered, like an obelisk for example

Loralai_907 · March 2017

They could absolutely find a way to honor players that pass away. It wouldn't even be that time consuming or pull resources from other areas so much that the rest of the game suffers for it. People are asking for something that can be personalized and added to their guild hall. Not really seeing a problem with that.

Daemons_Bane · March 2017

mommadani907 wrote: »

They could absolutely find a way to honor players that pass away. It wouldn't even be that time consuming or pull resources from other areas so much that the rest of the game suffers for it. People are asking for something that can be personalized and added to their guild hall. Not really seeing a problem with that.

I think the discussion itself moved past the original idea

many of us have suggested a more public way of doing it, so we can honor more than one person

Loralai_907 · March 2017

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

They could absolutely find a way to honor players that pass away. It wouldn't even be that time consuming or pull resources from other areas so much that the rest of the game suffers for it. People are asking for something that can be personalized and added to their guild hall. Not really seeing a problem with that.

I think the discussion itself moved past the original idea many of us have suggested a more public way of doing it, so we can honor more than one person

Sorry, I am skimming badly today, the anxiety runs high today lol.

I don't know that they can or should do something extraordinary for each individual person. Eventually all we would have is things dedicated to our fallen all over the game. But maybe something like an island with a memorial where everyone's plaque is on display in a hall or something. I dunno. But no matter what they do, I think they should do something for remembrance of those players that adored the game and have passed away.

Artis · March 2017

They should indeed add Sovngarde where we can go and see NPCs that are copies of characters of those, who passed away. And they all are feasting there!

The only problem is - if there's 7 million players, or even a million, every single one of them dies at some point... Should there be like a rotation of the NPC or something? I don't know. Maybe the memorial with names indeed would be more realistic, but I'd really love to have the characters stay in game forever. As NPCs or new guild traders or something. Still better than random unkillable NPCs, I think.

Daemons_Bane · March 2017

mommadani907 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

mommadani907 wrote: »

They could absolutely find a way to honor players that pass away. It wouldn't even be that time consuming or pull resources from other areas so much that the rest of the game suffers for it. People are asking for something that can be personalized and added to their guild hall. Not really seeing a problem with that.

I think the discussion itself moved past the original idea many of us have suggested a more public way of doing it, so we can honor more than one person

Sorry, I am skimming badly today, the anxiety runs high today lol.

I don't know that they can or should do something extraordinary for each individual person. Eventually all we would have is things dedicated to our fallen all over the game. But maybe something like an island with a memorial where everyone's plaque is on display in a hall or something. I dunno. But no matter what they do, I think they should do something for remembrance of those players that adored the game and have passed away.

My own suggestion was to build something like a giant longhouse with the names of the fallen ingraved on the walls

That would work well in most situations, as it would allow us to visit it as a shrine, and also be extremely low maintenance for the dev team.. Your idea with an island works well with it too

MrTibbs · March 2017

Any of these ideas would be amazing. It doesn't have to be elaborate either. But just reading all your ideas has been fun and interesting. Thank you all for your positive thoughts!!

Zazariz · March 2017

I have been watching this thread, and I am seeing a lot of people saying they don't think something elaborate should be done. I get that, we don't need statues or anything for everyone. I suggested a book that sits at the Undaunted Enclaves. A book that is just names of folks. This would be small, out of the way, not really bother anyone, and be easy to maintain.

I see a lot of people also saying it could lead to others wanting something similar done for their friends who have passed that played ESO. Name in the book. Solved. Would people try to abuse it? Probably. I mean heck, people were abusing meteor in PvP if I recall properly to create FPS drops for a better chance to zerg other teams. I could be very wrong in that as I'll be the first to say my memory isn't the best ^.^

My point is, if it exists, people are going to try to exploit it, or abuse it. That's just what happens in games.

At the same time, I think a lot of players could benefit from a small thing like this in which they could find a bit of peace and know that the lost did have an impact, and are acknowledge by the game in which they played. People who dislike the idea wouldn't have to deal with it as it wouldn't be anything more than a book. Heck, it could be made so that it doesn't even glow like the Eidetic Memory items do before they are read by players to draw attention.

My two cents anyway. I think this could be a good compromise for those who are for the idea, as well as those who are against the idea.

Ep1kMalware · March 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I want to first share my condolence to the fallen ESO player that passed away. To my full condolence to his family and to his guild members that knew him well.

I don't want to come across as some jerk, but real life should stay out of this game. If ZOS gives special treatment for this occasion then they should give that same treatment to everyone else. Again I'm sorry that this player passed away, but their is other ways to share his memory. As a paid ESO Plus subscriber I would really like for the developers to pay more attention into fixing their game and patching up bugs and other issues that is game breaking. Time is precious and I would really like for them to fix the game soon.

Perhaps the OP should think about creating a website dedicating the Crab-Slaughter-Crane fish to honor this player, and have people talk about it? The website should have photos of the players characters, and write articles and possible upload videos.

There is other ways to share his memory then to impose it into the actual game itself.

I kind of agree. On one hand you could create a memorial thread and add some vids to it or whatever. But I too pay for the game and would rather not see developer time spent on frivelous things. You could have sent a ticket or something, but instead posted in a public forum. You need to embrace the possibilit that not everyone agrees with you.

MrTibbs · March 2017

I'm sorry but just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it should be simply dismissed as frivolous and ignored. I too pay for this game and I would love to see something for this as would MOST of the people posting here. I did submit a ticket as suggested and if you read this entire post you would have seen an earlier post where I was instructed to use the forums to get results... so here I am. Let's honor the lost and the Fallen ZoS!

Betheny · March 2017

Why don't you or your group as a guild build your friend a Memorial Garden in one of the player houses, put a bench down and some plants maybe near some water. Something nice and peaceful your group can all go and visit to quietly remember your friend.

ForsakenSin · March 2017

First if i can say my condolences to you his familly and people that knew him.

Im not sure if anybody mentioned they can implement something like this

Gearbox's Tribute To Michael Mamaril (R.I.P.) In Borderlands 2

For those of you playing Borderlands 2, you may have noticed an NPC standing around Sanctuary named Michael Mamaril. It's already rare to have an NPC be have a name (and a last name at that), and if you take a few seconds to talk to him, he's a fellow Vault Hunter who is more than happy to share his rare loot, many times blue- or purple-level rarity. He's so charitable that he's in my tips guide and that I spend a minute looking for him every time I return to Sanctuary.

Apparently, that was the point.

Michael Mamaril is based off a real person, whom Gearbox Software decided to pay tribute to (hence, the "Tribute to a Vault Hunter" Achievement/Trophy). A Destructoid fan named Carlo wrote an email into Gearbox Software about his friend, Michael John Mamaril, who passed away from cancer at 22. Michael was a huge fan of Borderlands 2 and Carlo thought that he would be cool for Claptrap to read a eulogy.

Gearbox obviously went one step further, going well beyond the call of duty. Michael Mamaril will now be immortalized in the Borderlands universe.

I don't see why they couldn't make a NPC that is fishing and maybe even interact with a player with a fishing quest or some of his jokes. this way he would be remembered always

ForsakenSin · March 2017

now that i had more time to read it this is by far the best idea

and link their gamers tag

A grea

malicia wrote: »

ZoS can actually do so much with this. Most cultures have some way of remembrance, of honouring those who came before us. Incorporating this into ESO wouldn't be too difficult, and can be managed fairly easily.

If ZoS created three Halls of Remembrance, one in each zone, they could easily create a memorial for each player that has passed away. Think of a setup similar to the Museum in Wrothgar.

The process can be simple as well: if a player passes away, whoever wants to create a memorial sends ZoS a certificate of death (to limit abuse), the player's name and an epitaph to put on the plaque, and an item to display. This way each display will be personal, and ZoS will be able to do the same for other players who die.

Very easy to expand on as well. The player's account still exists - it would be easy enough to place a shadow copy of the player's favourite toon on a stand. Someone mentioned a book of memories would also be fairly easy. Allow players to send short entries. These will have to be moderated, but unless we start losing players very regularly this shouldn't be too much work. Once all these are done, lock the player's shrine to prevent having to change or add to it again and again, and add the shrine to the game with the next patch.

Further expansion:
Make the Halls of Remembrance "hallowed" places. Disable dueling, running and skills inside, thus creating a solemn atmosphere.

Doctordarkspawn · March 2017

mrtibbs1181b14a_ESO wrote: »

Hi Devs,

Not sure if this is the best place to ask my request. Perhaps you can direct me to the proper place.

Recently we had a fellow player pass away in August. He was an avid ESO player since launch and played almost everyday. One of his favorite things to do in-game was fishing. His second favorite thing to do was post his Crab-Slaughter-Crane fish during trials whenever the raid leader asked for something much to our leader's dismay. It quickly became a signature event during our guild raids. Since his passing many of us have continued his tradition but would like to make a request in honor of his memory. If at all possible we would like to have this item, Crab-Slaughter-Crane, turned into a housing item with a readable plaque for our guild hall in honor of his memory. Again I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask but I know there are many more in my guild that would like to know who or where to ask this so we could petition the developers.

Thanks for your time Devs we greatly appreciate it.

Mr.Tibbs

I'm sorry for your loss. It's not often I meet those on the forums without salt and rancor, but this occassion is one of them.

I think this is a request that should be honored. We all have gripes with games. But at the end of the day, their what make life special for many of us.

Doctordarkspawn · March 2017

Kalgert wrote: »

I am sorry, but.... Why?

As someone else had a somewhat realistic view on him, and was pretty much spat on because "How dare you be so insensitive", I just want to say... Why go through the whole "Make a memorium for him in the game". It just feels like you're trying to sensationalize the passing of someone you consider as a close friend, it feels like a disservice to his name for the sake of "Hey, put in an item or an NPC or something to remember him", and then dragging other players in to it.

Call me cynical, but it feels like something that you want so you could point at and say "Hey, look at that thing, it was made to honor a good friend of mine who I was friends with".

Do not get me wrong, I do think that such symbols are fairly nice gestures, but I believe players that have moved on to Sovngarde should be remembered in the hearts of those that they have affected, and not in some trivial item/NPC who's only purpose is to remind people "Hey, this player existed at one point".

I do not see why there should be memorial items added in to games whenever someone passes away. Let the memorial remain in the guild's hearts, otherwise it just strikes as you trying to cash in on his passing to get an item inserted, or an NPC put in, and honestly... You don't sound like a good friend for that.

Do I sound like a jerk? I definitely do, but understand where I am coming from this. As someone who's suffered a loss in November, I would probably feel somewhat offended if the beloved family member that was taken from me would then be the talk of the town in a forum and then have people start shouting "Put them in the game as a memorial!".

I wouldn't want that. Let the loved ones live on in the hearts of friends and family, not in a videogame.

...What right, do you have to tell the OP what requests to make, again?

Man up. Let the man make his request in peace. Your own personal moral issues with it do not diminish his request, let it be.

This is something with a long tradition in videogames allready. Whether it be Bethesda, with their tribute to a guy who loved fallout in the nuka world expansion, or WoW, with their one quest devoted to a lifelong player in the Tauren starting zone. They cease to be 'tributes' and just be part of the game.

The OP has the right to make a request. You dont just sound like a jerk, you are a jerk.

Kalgert · March 2017

You know, I tried to be civil about this, but apparently you people who are so wrapped up in yourselves all instantly go "Yaay, support this", just because you want to sound like a good person, only to then turn around and scowl at anyone who gives a well-explained reason to say "Nah, not a good idea", then proceed to call them jerks and whatever because they happened to have an opinion pararell to yours.

mrtibbs1181b14a_ESO wrote: »

Here's the cool idea though for all you naysayers.... like everything else in the game...you don't have to use it!! It's for those who would like to see it in-game and would use it!

Yeah, just like YOU didn't have to make this thread to cash in on the passing of your friend, trying to get a bit of publicity and try to get an item added in with the tagline "Some friend of mine". It is absolutely disrespectful to the dead to essentially try to get things added in to games under their name. Just shows your true colors as a shallow friend to try and get them in to a game.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

..What right, do you have to tell the OP what requests to make, again?

Man up. Let the man make his request in peace. Your own personal moral issues with it do not diminish his request, let it be.

This is something with a long tradition in videogames allready. Whether it be Bethesda, with their tribute to a guy who loved fallout in the nuka world expansion, or WoW, with their one quest devoted to a lifelong player in the Tauren starting zone. They cease to be 'tributes' and just be part of the game.

The OP has the right to make a request. You dont just sound like a jerk, you are a jerk.

What right I have to say what kind of requests to make? Simple, because I can, and I will not just "let it be", this is a forum afterall and I have every right to post a comment about it.

Just because it is a "Long tradition" to make tributes, it doesn't mean that they should do it. I can't say for Fallout 4 because screw that game, but regarding World of Warcraft, most of the tributed NPC's are from Blizzard Employees and friends, and the one Tauren quest is from a Make-a-Wish kid. Not even sure if he played WoW.

Now be silent.