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so basically I'm forced to create a healer templar to play Dungeons?

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    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

    Healing is not what your main goal as a healer is lol. You also need to be fast as F to be able to heal all these pokemons running around spamming light attacks (pro DDs), and to spam shards and repent corpses even if no corpses are around (according to pro DDs). I guess it will be even more fun, once sustain is nerfed to the ground.
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    Or.....

    Crazy idea...

    Really crazy...

    Join a guild. Then any 4 of you can go in as what you like.

    No idea why people rely solely on group finder.
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    That or join a guild or make a group in zone chat.
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  • malicia
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    ElliottXO wrote: »
    You can do the normal dungeons at any level with any party. You don't even need healer or tank.

    True. My first normal was a 4 DPS Wayrest Sewers. We had no idea what we were doing, but somehow managed it. But I honestly doubt that you can be ready for even that after a mere two days of playing.
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    OP needs to step away from the diva attitude.
    Kiss the chaos.
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    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing
    Step 1 Join a guild
    Step 2 Call out in guild lfg for [x] dungeon
    Step 3 Profit??

    What If I want to play as solo?

    So you're complaining about not getting groups while you want to play solo. Troll.
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    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing
    Step 1 Join a guild
    Step 2 Call out in guild lfg for [x] dungeon
    Step 3 Profit??

    What If I want to play as solo?

    Then get good enough to solo dungeons, or else do without the skill points from the dungeons.

    (There are 12-15 dungeons that are easy to solo or duo if you do them in normal mode. I know that because I've duoed 15 and soloed a few of them.)
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    Ive suggested Request System. Its impossible to keep Dungeons/Trials running 24/7. My idea is that players can put Request, when one is put on, it blinks on everybody's UI, then people will help you. Also when request is put on, it doesnt end until its finished, so players doesnt lose their mind over it and live in doubt. Also I think Request Item, should be tradeable item, found somewhere, etc.

    Think Dungeon/Trials runs 24/7, year after year, its just silly, we must look at this from different angle.
    Edited by Sausage on March 29, 2017 7:34AM
  • KochDerDamonen
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    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

    @DeltaForce64x DPS lfg queues are absolutely bonkers, there's lots of dps out there and much much less people playing support roles. If you want to use the lfg tool faster, playing tank or healer is your best bet. If you want to get into dungeons FASTER, much faster, and to play with reliable people: Make friends! Or join a guild, or both, or even just try using zone chat.

    Yeah I'm sure that every person you meet that leaves a group identifies as a "hardcore gamer". Totally doesn't sound like you're upset and applying a group you dislike to people you don't like the actions of. Completely applying a label AND mentality AND motives upon people because you don't like a thing they did.

    Yeah Zenimax does have a solution for the problem, unfortunately the genetic and mental engineering required to stop the majority of players from being Damage Dealers isn't within their budget.

    Then don't play a Templar healer, roll a Sorcerer healer. They're more kewl streetcred points anyways, and you get to have a pet dominatrix, purple bat thing. Or a tank, that's even faster queue times and you can just sit there like a potato and taunt if you don't care what people think of you.
    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing
    Step 1 Join a guild
    Step 2 Call out in guild lfg for [x] dungeon
    Step 3 Profit??

    What If I want to play as solo?

    If you want to be solo, why are you doing dungeons? Why use the lfg tool if you don't want a group?
    Edited by KochDerDamonen on March 29, 2017 7:44AM
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    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing
    Step 1 Join a guild
    Step 2 Call out in guild lfg for [x] dungeon
    Step 3 Profit??

    What If I want to play as solo?

    *blinks* Why would you be queueing for a group dungeon if you want to play solo?
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    The problem is lack of tanks and healers in a que, but there isnt anything ZoS could do about it.
    Problem is if i que as a DD, i have to w8 for an hour, but even if the rest of a group is not very good, or new to the game i can still carry them thru dungeon in reasonable time. If I que as a tank, i get a group in a few seconds, but if i get a group that have total dps of 10k (or even less, my record is 8k dps with me as a tank doing around 3k) im stuck on dungeon for an hour or so. Sure i can make another tank-build with more dps, but that would be another sets of gear to carry around so i just prefer not to que at all.
    Edited by bitels on March 29, 2017 8:14AM
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    No real issues that bad on console, 20-30 mins worst case as a DPS on prime time. Healer / Tank is instant in, DPS nor alt 5/10 minutes

    But to correct your Post you don't HAVE to be a Templar healer. You just need heals. I rolled a Sorc healer, to get in queues fast and I can easy switch them between Healer mode or Solo DPS for Maelstorm etc

    But as others say join a guild, or find a healer / tank mate to group with and you'll be straight in.

    Or just queue and as you queue do others things. It's a huge game and dungeons aren't all that in terms of XP

    Try Malestorm, its huge XP per clear, great solo content and I stand access. Done.
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    As long as you pick a magicka build, use a restoration staff on front bar and use the healing skills from there, and equip a destruction staff on backbar and use elemental drain on bosses and bigger mobs to help others recover magicka you are doing fine. Later, when you level undaunted a bit get the orbs skill to replenish their magicka directly. It's not required to be a templar unless you are going for top tier content. The only thing you can't do as a non-templar healer is support stamina with your skills. But there's gear that can help you somewhat alleviate this problem: Sentinel of Rkugamz monster set from Darkshade Caverns 1 (head from veteran dungeon, shoulder from Maj's chest, check undaunted pledges) and master restoration staff from Dragonstar Arena. But those options are rather end game.
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sentinel+of+Rkugamz+Set
    http://teso-guides.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-item-sets-the-masters-restoration-staff

    If you are just starting healing at low levels I recommend you use crafted sets and you change them every 10 levels or so for a higher level version. If you can't craft them yourself ask someone to craft them. A good starter option is Armor of the Seducer set 5 pieces (body) which gives you sustain, and Torug's Pact 3/5 pieces (head, shoulder, staves) which adds a bit of spell damage and health. Note that at least 5 pieces should be light armor to benefit from the passives, but you can also wear a piece of heavy (preferably the chest, so you have a bit more resistance) and one medium (preferably head, legs or feet) to also level those skills. You can use various arcane trait jewelry to go with that, even mismatched ones. Don't bother farming any sets until you reach veteran rank and earn at least CP160 where the gear cap is set, which is pretty quick.
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Armor+of+the+Seducer+Set
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Torug's+Pact+Set

    So nobody actually forces you to do anything, just be sure you are doing the basics for that role, which means healing others, and you should be fine. Nobody will kick you from a group because your char is not a templar, as long as you keep them alive when it's possible. If they stand in red and get one shot it's not your problem, it's theirs. Lack of burst heals from class skills is not a real problem. I have a templar healer and I only use the class skill a handful of times when running a dungeon. Your best bet is to stack the heal over time (HoT) skills from your restoration staff: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Restoration+Staff+Skills
    Grand healing -> morphed to Healing Springs (ground cast on multiple people)
    Regeneration -> morphed to Mutagen (hits only 2 people per cast but hit it a few times to get it ticking on everybody)
    Blessing of Protection -> morphed to Combat Prayer (heals instantly over an area in front of you, increases resistance and damage done by players). I actually use this as burst heal far more often than I use BoL because it's cheaper and refreshes the buffs.
    As I said using destruction staff on your back bar is best:
    Weakness to Elements -> morphed to Elemental Drain (cast it on bigger mobs and bosses to reduce spell resistance and allow others to recover magicka when the attack). Alternatively you can use Force Syphon -> morphed to Force Syphon that applies the same effect but also restores a bit of health. However this has a cast time and does not remove spell resistance. If the tank doesn't have the taunt morphed to Pierce Armor and you are running with magicka DDs, it won't be as effective.
    If you are running with magicka DDs also use Necrotic Orb or its morphs to restore magicka every 10-15s. It requires undaunted 5 so you won't have it unlocked right away. You need to run a few dungeons before it becomes availalble
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Undaunted+Skills
    Edited by Asardes on March 29, 2017 9:15AM
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  • Gandrhulf_Harbard
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    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

    If you are PC/EU then I can invite you to a guild that is far more relaxed about things.

    We have a small group of Dungeon Players, a couple of who swap between DPS and Tank, a few of whom only DPS and some who swap between DPS and Heal. When we run the guys who can multi-role are happy to step aside for guys who only have one role.

    We run Pledges almost every night and are just in the process of gearing a few people up for Vets; and we have a number of lower level players and Alts who run the lower level stuff.

    The key to enjoying ESO is finding people you can get on with to enjoy it with; unfortunately the Group Finder is utterly useless in that regard.

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    What If I want to play as solo?

    Well that puts a different spin on it.

    I used to play ONLY solo and you have to run a build/class combination that has some degree of self healing. Done right you can easily solo 4 Man Delves and Public Dungeons - even in Craglorn.

    However, the game is infinitely more fun (even for me as an ardent solo-er) in a Guild.

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    Milvan wrote: »
    Can I have your stuff?

    I don't think he has any
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    What If I want to play as solo?

    Well that puts a different spin on it.

    I used to play ONLY solo and you have to run a build/class combination that has some degree of self healing. Done right you can easily solo 4 Man Delves and Public Dungeons - even in Craglorn.

    However, the game is infinitely more fun (even for me as an ardent solo-er) in a Guild.

    All The Best

    Point of terminology -- "4 man delve" is not a common phrase.
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    a build/class combination that has some degree of self healing.

    Let's be more specific.
    • Every magicka character can use a restoration staff to good effect.
    • This is not true for stamina characters.
    • Each of the four classes also has useful self-healing class skills for magicka users.
    • This is less true for stamina characters.
    • Dual wield gets what in effect are ticking self-heals early.
    • Two-handed gets a pretty good self-heal late, in Rally.
    • Vigor is a decent stamina heal. It requires some PvPing to unlock.
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    Delves and public dungeons are non-instanced content, meaning anyone can enter when he wants, as opposed to group dungeons, arenas and trials that are instanced and only allow a maximum number of players who are grouped together to enter. Delves usually have only one boss - only those in Cyrodiil have multiple ones - while public dungeons have multiple ones, as well as an event - usually a boss with more adds - which awards a skill point upon completion. Both delves and public dungeons are easily solo-able, so you don't actually need to group with anybody to finish them. Also the drops in delves public dungeons are BoE, not BoP like those in instanced content, so grouping to share also doesn't make much sense.
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  • DurzoBlint13
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    Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

    I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

    if you have someone NOT vet rank that means you are doing Normal right? If you are doing normal, just solo it. You can work around some group mechanics and burn bosses down before the mechanics are an issue. There are only a couple dungeons that can not be solo'd and that number drops even more if on Normal. If you are a sorc and have your pocket tank (AKA Clanfear) there really isn't much that you can not do alone
    Also, if you are doing normal just que as a tank. You do not need any other roles in Normal
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    Point of terminology -- "4 man delve" is not a common phrase.

    Well hello there.

    I'm sorry if you didn't understand the quite basic English I used there; I am 100% certain everyone else who read it fully understood what I meant.

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    You don't want to join a guild because you don't want to play with people?
    Let me remind you what kind of game ESO is: MMORPG.
    Multiplayer. You can't play this game 100% solo, it just doesn't work that way. And it shouldn't either, since it's a MMO, and not a Single-Player game.
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    Make a LFG for XX dungeon in zone-chat or just wiat the timer out. If you're so eager to play solo, go do all the quests while you wait for the queue.
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    a build/class combination that has some degree of self healing.

    Let's be more specific.
    • Every magicka character can use a restoration staff to good effect.
    • This is not true for stamina characters.
    • Each of the four classes also has useful self-healing class skills for magicka users.
    • This is less true for stamina characters.
    • Dual wield gets what in effect are ticking self-heals early.
    • Two-handed gets a pretty good self-heal late, in Rally.
    • Vigor is a decent stamina heal. It requires some PvPing to unlock.

    Or run a 5pc Bahraha's Curse set and use Brawler and Igneous Shields (if on DK), with CP points in Bastion and solo Group Content in Craglorn without taking any significant damage at all.

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  • MyKillv2.0
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    While I think OP has made a terribly trolly thread in order to do nothing but fit in with the forum haters club...

    ...I do think at its very core there is some merit to the post. BoL and group buffs requires a healer to be a Templar unless you run with a very coordinated group, but most of the time a well coordinated group wants a Templar anyways.

    The group buffs are fine, that's what the Templar Class their identity but BoL should be given to everyone. Make it an Ultimate to the resto bar. That way, you can true have diversity in the healing class like you do with DPS and Tanking builds.

    With that said, I think that the Warden may be able to be competitive as a healer, so I guess two out of five isn't bad
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    For dungeons, healing or tanking as any class should be fine as long as you don't suck
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    Jemcrystal wrote: »
    Trinity based mmo's need to find a way around this problem. It is not a TESO only thing.

    " It is not a TESO only thing"

    Not a excuse. I paid 70 dollars for this game and I expect to play it without issues.

    Then play it and quit whining. One feature implemented by the developer that is reliant upon player participation doesn't work the way you want it to (because of the players ) and you have a baby fit?
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    Jemcrystal wrote: »
    Trinity based mmo's need to find a way around this problem. It is not a TESO only thing.

    @Jemcrystal
    TESO is different to be honest, it's quite possible to do most dungeons with 4 DPS. All my DPS are quite capable of keeping themselves alive if there is no healer, within most of the dungeons. There are some exceptions and it does reduce your DPS , but with 4 of you this doesn't cause any issue..
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    I just think OP was just looking for an excuse to quit the game and uninstall.

    MMO's aren't for everyone. I hear Witcher 3 has a good storyline. Perhaps OP should try that instead.
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    Point of terminology -- "4 man delve" is not a common phrase.

    Well hello there.

    I'm sorry if you didn't understand the quite basic English I used there; I am 100% certain everyone else who read it fully understood what I meant.

    All The Best

    I didn't either. Did you imply group dungeons as "4 man delves"? I'm not sure I'd call them, especially vet version "easily soloable" by any random person, let alone a new player that OP seems to be. Although respect to you if you can easily solo any (vet) dungeon, not many people can.
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    A full CP player with gold BiS gear and a high sustain build will be able to solo almost all normal group dungeon and most veteran ones. But there's no way a new player with random dropped gear will be able to solo even easy normal dungeons like Fungal Grotto 1. However 4 such players with a basic understanding of their role will be able to do it quite easily.
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