so basically I'm forced to create a healer templar to play Dungeons?

Asardes

Well, I always spec and gear my mature character for at least one of the support roles, precisely because I've seen people don't want to play tank and healer. I've also played as DD plenty of times on my Stamina DK and frankly I've found it much easier than healing and tanking. Nobody's gonna notice you missed the 3rd light attack in your rotation and you don't apply the 2nd DoT after 1s and your DPS is 3K less, but they will notice if one attack drops them to 30% and another drops them dead because nobody has healed them in between, or when the boss turns on them and cleaves 2 in one hit because the tank has lost aggro. People don't play Tank and healer because they actually have to know the mechanics in detail and take responsibility and if you are bad, everyone notices instantly. You can't be carried into hard dungeons as a tank or healer.

Deadfinger6

You left your dummy on the floor...

malicia

Asardes wrote: »

...I've also played as DD plenty of times on my Stamina DK and frankly I've found it much easier than healing and tanking. Nobody's gonna notice you missed the 3rd light attack in your rotation and you don't apply the 2nd DoT after 1s and your DPS is 3K less,...

My experience is the other way round - I feel much more stable when tanking than when DDing. As DD your timing must be impeccable for some bosses - if you're in the red you're dead. My tanking gear is much more forgiving - with most bosses I can stay in the red and still survive. That said - I only tank normal dungeons and some vet dungeons. My perception might be due to the fact that I limit myself to easier content when tanking.

notimetocare

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

So... You are blaming developers because players dont want to play woth non-max players?

Asardes

malicia wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

...I've also played as DD plenty of times on my Stamina DK and frankly I've found it much easier than healing and tanking. Nobody's gonna notice you missed the 3rd light attack in your rotation and you don't apply the 2nd DoT after 1s and your DPS is 3K less,...

My experience is the other way round - I feel much more stable when tanking than when DDing. As DD your timing must be impeccable for some bosses - if you're in the red you're dead. My tanking gear is much more forgiving - with most bosses I can stay in the red and still survive. That said - I only tank normal dungeons and some vet dungeons. My perception might be due to the fact that I limit myself to easier content when tanking.

I've DDd Velidreth HM and it's much easier than tanking her, both attros and the adds that spawn. Staying out of the red is instinctual for me and in some cases would kill me even as tank. As tank it's much harder to avoid "eating" the balls there, because your movement is really constrained and your FOV is blocked by the boss, you will get both a resistance and healing debuff from her spit, so sometimes your resist will be even lower than a DDs. I've found it the hardest staying alive there is as healer, as the RNG is sometimes terrible. I get hit by multiple "bombs" at the same time with little warning and even spam casting harness with BoL in between while blocking doesn't cut it if you get hit 3 times in quick succession. For example a couple of days ago I healed the dungeon with 0 deaths up to the boss but wiped like 5-6 times until we beat it because of those one shots.

malicia

Asardes wrote: »

..I've DDd Velidreth HM and it's much easier than tanking her...

I'm playing with a DD geared as a tank, so I won't even try tanking that lady. It would be simply unfair to the rest of my group as I highly doubt that I'll survive her.

Asardes

malicia wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

..I've DDd Velidreth HM and it's much easier than tanking her...

I'm playing with a DD geared as a tank, so I won't even try tanking that lady. It would be simply unfair to the rest of my group as I highly doubt that I'll survive her.

I have two sets of gear, one for tank, the other for DD. The first is BiS, the other is passable, but far from BiS. I also use different consumables and mundus stone. I don't mix roles but change my setup at the start of the dungeon. The only exception is VWGT where I change to DD for the Planar Inhibitor fight. I pull between 25-30% of group DPS there.

Tank: 5 Tava's Favor + 5 Ebon Armory + 5 Bloodspawn/Lord Warden, Atronach Mundus, Ghastly Eye Bowl
18K magicka, 28K health, 24K stamina, 1.5K magicka recovery, 30.4K spell resistance, 27.8K physical resistance

DD: 5 Hunding's Rage + 4/3 Night Mother's Gaze + 3 Agility, Thief Mundus, CP150 Blue health + stamina food
10.2K magicka, 18.5K health, 38.2K stamina, 4.2K weapon damage, 72% weapon critical, 0.8K stamina recovery - I weave HA between skills so sustain is not a problem and it won't be regardless of rumored CP changes. In can only pull ~23K DPS because it's crafted gear, no proc sets or Maelstrom weapons and I have the healing morphs on the 2W skills.

malicia

Asardes wrote: »

I have two sets of gear, one for tank, the other for DD. The first is BiS, the other is passable, but far from BiS.

I've limited my flexibility to two sets of gear - I don't change mundus or CP. My DD gear is a fairly standard Hundings/NMG setup, passable, but certainly not BiS.

My tanking gear is a self-built mix:
5 x Alessia's Bulwark
5 x Green Pact
2 x Merida's Blessed Armor

I have a thread where I asked for suggestions. There were a couple of really good suggestions, but I didn't have time to try them out yet. So yeah, my tanking setup is certainly far from ideal, but it is good enough for normal- and some vet dungeons. vCoS - no way.

KerinKor

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que.

Nope, you can create your own group and avoid the queue altogether.

hmsdragonfly

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

Step 1 Join a guild
Step 2 Call out in guild lfg for [x] dungeon
Step 3 Profit??

What If I want to play as solo?

It's a group based activity why do you want to play it solo? 90% of the game is made for soloing already.

jircris11

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

sadly being a DPS and having long waits is a issue in many mmos. everyone loves the big numbers not many enjoy being a tank or healer because they are thankless jobs. You are not being forced to make a tank or healer, simply find a guild to run with. I did and it has helped a lot, i even learned some new tricks.

Lizzrdd

This guy hasnt replied to his own thread for almost 2 days now. How much do you all want to bet he is just sitting there hitting the refresh on his browser to see how many ESO players he has trolled with his mega whine.

Asardes

malicia wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I have two sets of gear, one for tank, the other for DD. The first is BiS, the other is passable, but far from BiS.

I've limited my flexibility to two sets of gear - I don't change mundus or CP. My DD gear is a fairly standard Hundings/NMG setup, passable, but certainly not BiS.

My tanking gear is a self-built mix:
5 x Alessia's Bulwark
5 x Green Pact
2 x Merida's Blessed Armor

I have a thread where I asked for suggestions. There were a couple of really good suggestions, but I didn't have time to try them out yet. So yeah, my tanking setup is certainly far from ideal, but it is good enough for normal- and some vet dungeons. vCoS - no way.

Alessia's Bulwark is not particularly effective as 5 piece set, but as 2/3/4 set. Some enemies do magic damage and the debuff is not effective against them. I used it on my former setup as 2 piece (sword and shield) to maximize physical resist. I was running 5 Willow's Path + 3 Endurance + 2 Alessia's Bulwark + 2 Bloodspawn. But that setup was thought out a year ago, before TG if I remember correctly - there was no Tava's back then and 5 piece sets with jewelry came even later. But I still managed to get no death, HM and speed run in IC dungeons, speed runs and HM in SotH ones with that setup. I only switched to the current one when I started doing trials, where the added +1K health from Ebon Armory really matters for the whole group. The Willow's Path has been relegated to my sorcerer, where it's still used as tanking set in conjunction with 5/4 Amber Plasm and 2 Infernal Guardian - I will switch to Iceheart for more shields since Infernal does not longer crits to count for additional surge heals and the damage is lackluster. Still, with only 22.5K health on that char I still managed to do Veli HM because of the insane magicka recovery (over 2K with thief mundus) and 14K hadened wards. Iceheart can stack with that for about 22K total shield and proc pretty often with ~55% critical chance. So there are lots of ways of tanking, for different builds. Tanks and healers are less constrained by DDs in terms of sets used.

method__01

swap IA set for a set of spinners+BSW
use them outside trials and dungeons
and you will see what a templar healer can do

tip:use Thief as mundus stone

Dimillian

What I do, and what you can do if you just want the XP from daily random normal is to queue as a tank. You can tank with any char in normal dungeons, no problem. Just do your DPS, keeping agro is not important.
Don't to that for veteran dungeon, it would be mean and you'll die.

AndyTGD

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

Simple solution - join a like-minded guild and run dungeons as your desired class with your guild buddies. Group-finder is broken and has been for a long time; there are simply too many damage-dealing players, which creates an absurdly long queue for groups. Groups are also mismatched/unbalanced, often with a CP100, a CP200 and one or two players with mid-high CPs - which pretty much guarantees the group will never complete the dungeon in my experience, so I can understand the frustrated drop-outs. As I say, LFG in chat or guild groups can often solve this issue to a large extent.

Or play a healer - its genuinely enjoyable if you find the right build.

AndrewQ84

Here's an idea. *clears his throat* JOIN A *** GUILD!

"Oh, but Mr. Random person on the forums, I want to play solo."

Congratulations. Enjoy the solo life. Join a PvE guild, don't talk to anyone unless you are running a dungeon. Advertise in guild chat. How is you searching for someone in guild chat any different than the game searching for people randomly? It will tons faster.

"Oh, but Mr. Random person on the forums, I don't want to see all that guild chat."

Create a different chat panel that has the guild chat on it and only have the chat panel open when you are going to look for someone in your guild.

I never understood why solo players are so anti guild. If you want to stand there for *** hours waiting for a que to pop instead of just taking a few seconds in your guild chat to find people, then continue being stupid and stop bitching about it. DPS in every single game I have ever played has always been long que time. If you don't want to do any of that, then make a tank or healer. End of story.

idk

KerinKor wrote: »

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que.

Nope, you can create your own group and avoid the queue altogether.

This is the answer to most of the GF complaint threads that are not pleased with the type of group they get.

TheStealthDude

Or create a Nightblade healer and heal while DPSing at the same time!

Marktoneth3

healer and tank take less than 10 sec


You're welcome

Asardes

TheStealthDude wrote: »

Or create a Nightblade healer and heal while DPSing at the same time!

Templar can do that too. In most dungeons you just go about offhealing with ritual and repent every 2-3 bodies for burst heals and stamina recovery and slot DPS skills on at least one bar. Few dungeons actually require a dedicated healer, if people actually know what they are doing.

Merlin13KAGL

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Because I cannot wait like 3 hours to get a single group as DPS in dungeon group finder que. There's also the so called "hardcore" gamers who keep doing instant leave only because a guy in my team is not veteran rank. Any actual solution for these issues Zenimax? Of course no, Unfortunately announcing a DLC that 5+ months away is more important thing to do.

I do not want to play as templar because I'm not good at healing

Step 1 Join a guild
Step 2 Call out in guild lfg for [x] dungeon
Step 3 Profit??

What If I want to play as solo?

Then why do you give a rat's *** about 4 man content? You realize it involves three other people, by default, right?

Queue for the dungeon, go about your business doing other stuff. It pops when it pops.

LilySix

"Hardcore Gamers" get kick aswell... Sometimes I can stay half an hour trying to kill a boss with low CPs players. And when you finally decide you've been kind enough and try to explain to them that they are doing wrong strats... They kick you out of the group... Just because you're being unfriendly... Lol

Tommy_The_Gun

"so basically I'm forced to create a healer templar to play Dungeons?"

Not quite. I have a stamina NB argonian and I did all dungeons (normal) with it just by swapping gear and queueing as tank.
Hell I was even able to do some vet dungeons. I will be able to probably do all vet dungeons but I just don't see the point of doing so (there are no new skill point as rewards once you do dungeon quest, only achievements).

btw. Later in the game I was able to solo some group dungeons with the same character...

Merlin13KAGL

LilySix wrote: »

"Hardcore Gamers" get kick aswell... Sometimes I can stay half an hour trying to kill a boss with low CPs players. And when you finally decide you've been kind enough and try to explain to them that they are doing wrong strats... They kick you out of the group... Just because you're being unfriendly... Lol

Yeah, @LilySix , by "Hardcore" he means "experienced." Once someone's done them enough, it's pretty easy to tell whether or not it's going to happen. Some take it in stride, some refuse to hear the truth, however 'unfriendly' it may be.

There's a fine line between helping with new content and beating 4 heads against a brick immovable wall.

LilySix

Haha you're right.

klowdy1

I'm still sub cp160, so most of my dungeon queues are for normals, but I have 20-30 minute queue times. The few times I mistakenly got into vet dungeons, they were about 20 minutes. I did have a 1 hour queue once, but I left and requeued, and the dungeon popped instantly. It could be the platform I'm on though, I play pc, but queue times are the same any time of the day.

R_K

If you are still running the daily dungeons and you genuinely need those keys, your best bet is to get good enough to "heal" and dps at the same time. The queue seems to be shorter for healers and you can help carry many (not all) subpar groups through a majority of the Veteran dungeons.

KanedaSyndrome

Jemcrystal wrote: »

Trinity based mmo's need to find a way around this problem. It is not a TESO only thing.

3 man groups would be the answer. Each arche type is equally represented. As long as the group sizes are multiples of 3 and content is designed to need an extra of each type whenever increasing in group size it would be equal, but tbh, sounds very rigid and limiting with such a design.

That said, I think it's fine that dps pays a "waiting" price for the ability to mow down solo content very efficiently.

Khaos_Bane

I may have to wait slightly longer to get a spot as DPS but not much honestly. When I am Tank I immediately get a group.

By the way, any class can play a tank or healer in 4 man dungeons.

As far as the "trinity" is concerned this is one of the most forgiving MMOs I have ever played.

By the way, I typically tank with my Dark Elf MAGDK DPS in all the vet dungeons.