Wasn't there another thread about this the other day?

I think that cities, missions, wayshrines etc. should be removed from dueling areas.

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

Absalon wrote: »

You can disable by yourself, you know?

No you cannot disable other people who want to duel. Wow!

who wants* to duel

It's an undoubted nuisance in cities and around wayshrines, and causes some players performance issues. If it was restricted to certain areas such as arenas then they would be natural places for those wishing to duel to go to so there would be no problem finding others of similar intent without having to pester those who may have dueling enabled but not want to duel at that particular moment, and without the need to send silly whispers to those who decline. Dueling is between two players, they don't need an audience yet that seems to be a major reason why some insist on dueling in popular places while others have the wit to find a quieter spot. PvP should never have been allowed in crowded PvE areas in the first place.

Nope not at all. I do think people need to stop crying so much about dueling though. Yes, ppl duel virtually anywhere nowadays and I have yet to be bothered enough to make a QQ thread about it.

One of my favourite places in ESO is the Vulkhel Guard Wayshrine, purely because it's often a social hot-spot; this is facilitated almost entirely by its existence as a popular area for duelling, (i.e. the cyclic nature of the area around it provides an interesting, arena-like shape for confrontations). Personally, I really enjoy watching duels in highly populated areas, because not only can crowds quickly accumulate around those tough, difficult duels - creating fertile ground for silliness and socialisation that I find truly heartwarming, (I love it when, for example, people start chaining emotes, and being generally friendly in the /say and /zone chat windows) - they're also easily accessible, making finding a sparring partner much easier and allowing an easier, more readily available process of learning the tips and methods of duelling. It's almost like a spectator sport, and the duelling totem poles of Vulkhel Guard, (where you'll get people standing on the walls, posing - looking cool - as the elite duellists), often herald some lovely socialisation, and I've met a lot of genuinely lovely people in these social circles that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the duelling that forged these smaller communities.

I can definitely appreciate why people would find it annoying, and performance on lower-end systems is also an issue when the given locality is very densely populated, however, essentially, if you're not there for the duelling and the socialising, then you're hardly going to be spending lots of time at Wayshrines, (unless you want to meticulously admire their architecture, or sit your character down and paint the given Wayshrine with exceptional detail). Moreover, if you find the duelling requests annoying, then enable the auto-decline feature; if people hassle you about it, then politely state your reasons as to why you declined. Of course, as primarily a PvP player, my opinion is going to be biased, but as I see it, duelling in populated areas adds a bit of life to the town and provides a means by which players can communicate, (many discussions being started by duels, and asking about technique/gear being used, or simple congratulations), instead of milling around and minding their own business.

And if it breaks immersion, just think of it as a bar brawl that was literally, "Taken Outside"... ...and exaggerated, using a whole host of cool, (and lethal), abilities...

Ghettokid wrote: »

I think that cities, missions, wayshrines etc. should be removed from dueling areas.

It's funny you added missions to your list, because this morning, while in the middle of a quest, I had some person trying to duel me. My auto decline must have offended him because he started tossing buckets of water on my character while I was doing the quest. Annoying.

Nah, if I had it my way it would have been open world PvP anyway.

This coming from someone who mostly stays out of the lagfest that is Cyrodiil. Though that's more due to the balance issues than lag tbh.

While yes dueling does create lag in these populated areas, you should be allowed to do it in nearly every location. The exception being obvious places like important people's quarters. A throne room, a monastery, temple, etc... Other than that, who is a guard to stop two Vestiges from proving who is tougher when they can revive. Killing civilians is different, its murder not a sanctioned duel.

Woopy wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Nah, if I had it my way it would have been open world PvP anyway.

Well, if you're referring to other games - most open world pvp situations are disabled in major areas or have guards to protect players or attack people who target those in cities. Any other way just doesn't make sense unless you're going to be griefing for fun.

Right and I don't mind that at all. Best open world PvP games I've played are Ultima Online, Age of Wushu and World of Warcraft. In that order.

I don't mind protected areas and the justice system is already in place to add you as a murderer or if you assault someone. So attack a player in town and the guards will be on you.

Tholian1 wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

I think that cities, missions, wayshrines etc. should be removed from dueling areas.

It's funny you added missions to your list, because this morning, while in the middle of a quest, I had some person trying to duel me. My auto decline must have offended him because he started tossing buckets of water on my character while I was doing the quest. Annoying.

I'm glad it's not just me they do that to.

Although it's usually someone following me around spamming skills as if somehow, if they can spam enough buttons fast enough it will over-write the fact that you have to accept duels and my auto-decline and make it possible for them to attack me.

But of course all they achieve is looking like an idiot until they give up and slink off to bug someone else.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Right and I don't mind that at all. Best open world PvP games I've played are Ultima Online, Age of Wushu and World of Warcraft. In that order.

I don't mind protected areas and the justice system is already in place to add you as a murderer or if you assault someone. So attack a player in town and the guards will be on you.

Those games tend to have specific servers separating you out though. Most normal players, especially new players, do not like pvp, let alone open world pvp everywhere. You're going to a very very niche group.

And fyi, I played my first MMO in the game Tibia which had a brutally hardcore open world pvp system, so I'm not completely biased against it. I just feel it needs to be a choice since I am also getting older and slower and want to relax on my games, not be:

They already restrict PvP until level 10 at which time you can decide to participate or not. Everything is already battle leveled just like in Cyrodiil so literally it would be as simple as a toggle switch to turn PvP on or off. If you want to PvP while out exploring hit the switch, wait 5 minutes, now go on a murdering spree. I say 5mins just because people would abuse a feature like this. Even have an emblem above them showing they're enabling PvP or something.

Doesn't matter how they do it. I don't want to PvP all the time either and since there is nothing to gain from killing another person in terms of their loot, it would simply be Cyrodiil rules. You gain AP per enemy alliance member killed. Giving you incentive to continue pvping in open world.

As far as the splitting up in different servers is concerned, that's not an issue with ESO. While true it is one megaserver per platform, within each server are multiple instances already. Not just based on quests completed that zone you out from other players who have not. But entire zones where you are not in the same phase. Teleport to them and now you are. Different phases means there is a cap in place already on how many people are allowed per phase.