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Handicap vs Non-Handicap Guilds

Damianos
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Myself and two real life buddies play the game together, when we can, though we've put off actively finding a guild as we have been pretty busy with other real world responsibilites. However, we've decided that it's about time we found a good home after having been around so long. There's just one hitch. Between the three of us we have the following handicaps (though in many cases we all see them as blessings in one way or another):

1: One of us was injured while in the military and had to have a partial amputation of their dominant arm.
2: One of us was born deaf, and unable to hear at all.
3: Two of us are mute.

We've found that, in this game, guilds tend to be very VOIP heavy for PvP and PvE and won't even let you join a group if you can't/won't get in Discord, TeamSpeak, etc. The majority assume that if we don't get in VOIP we're not good players. In all honesty, this is pretty frustrating. We read just fine, and follow instructions pretty darn good. So we are wondering

Is it standard for your guild to REQUIRE everyone to be in VOIP to be a member?

If so, what about those who have a handicap - do you tell them they are unwelcome or just avoid inviting them?
If not, is your PvP-PvE guild recruiting and who do we contact? (PC-EU/NA - we are willing to reroll on EU for the right group!)


Edited by Damianos on March 27, 2017 10:51AM

Handicap vs Non-Handicap Guilds 40 votes

Yes
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StillianDamianosTaseardjdc1234 4 votes
No
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Other, will explain below.
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  • notimetocare
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    Other, will explain below.
    Its the nature of needs. Nobody wants to type instructions when they can say them. It goes without saying that your case is very rare.
  • FerrumnCutem
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    Most actually friendly casual guilds don't have a problem if you don't have teamspeak.
    It's only when you get into the hardcore raiding and pvp guilds that people will demand teamspeak.

    So as long as you don't play a bow dps hybrid, most friendly guilds will be happy to have you.
  • Bobby_V_Rockit
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    No
    Oops, meant to vote yes, guild I'm in hardly if ever uses voice chat but very active text chat. PS4 though
  • Blacksmoke
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    It really depends on what you do.. if you want to run hardcore vet trails and PvP voice is needed to communicate especially for vet trails since you need to time things but if you go the more casual way I'm certain people will understand and if your in a trading guild you don't need to communicate at all :)
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  • Lookstowindwards
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    We had a deaf girl in our raid some time ago, it went quite well: During the explanation on TS, one person wrote a short version for her in the raid chat (not so difficult and slow with 10-finger-writing), although i must say it was in another game with much more complex boss mechanics, so we had plenty of time to give her a personal review. We also had a makro made specially for her with a raid warning, should she be choosen by a doom-mechanic in a fight, as it was not possible to warn her via voice chat.

    As i said, its not a problem at all.
  • Turelus
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    Just speak with any guilds before joining and see how they are with it, some might turn away some might work hard to accommodate.

    It's really down to the players and their feelings on it, but generally there are enough guilds out there that there will be one which is a good fit.
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  • Cherryblossom
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    VOIP is required in many Group activity for co-ordination, coming from a military back ground you should understand the importance of communication.

    Do you know of tools which allow quick text communication for people who are deaf? As I assume you communicate with your friends, who you mention are deaf.
    I'm sure you are aware that during combat typing a message is difficult, so if you know of another way, may be you could share what tools are available as this would be invaluable help to all.
    Personally I only care if someone can play.
  • KochDerDamonen
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    Highly variable, I'd say 50/50 but I don't have anything to back that up and think it's more like 70(don't require)/30(do require) or maybe even further in favor of not requiring it. If the guild is out there doing vet trials on hardmode, they probably require it. No reason to not try and ask even if it's in the guild rules though, sure there's plenty of trial leaders that would happily accommodate.
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  • Entegre
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    We require everyone available to join teamspeak to hear instructions. We don't like when players whine or cry when a gangblade occurs, so we only let the leader speak in TS during active action.

    But we have a guy who does not have any headset, he can't hear us or talk to us yet he plays real good and in conjunction with us. If you play with a certain friendly guild for a short amount of time you will adapt to their tactics and learn to play with them successfully.
  • raj72616a
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    normal trial and vet dungeon just text communication is fine.

    veteran trial, i've seen one guild that did it with text. it's more common that voice is required
  • Danikat
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    I will only join guilds that don't require everyone to use voice chat. My hearing and speech is fine, but I live in a small flat with the PC in the main room so it tends to get quite noisy. I keep the game's sound off most of the time and listening to voice chat/speaking through a microphone isn't an option.

    Even if they tell me I don't need to use voice chat myself I've given up joining guilds that use it as their main way of communicating because no one's going to say something out loud and then type it into chat as well, so I tend to miss out on most of what's going on.

    But I've never had trouble finding guilds that do use text chat. I just make sure to be clear about that point when I first respond to their advert. On occasion a recruiter will assure me I don't need to use voice chat and then I find everyone else does, and then I leave and start looking again, but that's true of any requirement you might have - like all the times I joined a "PvE and PvP" guild only to find what they mean is "we grind in PvE to level up our characters for PvP".
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  • SantieClaws
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    Other, will explain below.
    In the guild that this one she is in yes then almost no one they use voice chat.

    At least on none of the dungeon runs that this one she has been one. This one she wonders if it is because of that time once that she sang at a guild meeting yes?

    Khajiit herself has significant issues with her paws - mercifully they mostly do not affect normal travel in Tamriel but things like long raids and intense arena combat they are out of the question.

    We mostly though are a trading guild with freindly chat and dungeon mischief and fishing on the side.

    The guild house kitchen is also well stocked with fish.

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  • jircris11
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    Damianos wrote: »
    Myself and two real life buddies play the game together, when we can, though we've put off actively finding a guild as we have been pretty busy with other real world responsibilites. However, we've decided that it's about time we found a good home after having been around so long. There's just one hitch. Between the three of us we have the following handicaps (though in many cases we all see them as blessings in one way or another):

    1: One of us was injured while in the military and had to have a partial amputation of their dominant arm.
    2: One of us was born deaf, and unable to hear at all.
    3: Two of us are mute.

    We've found that, in this game, guilds tend to be very VOIP heavy for PvP and PvE and won't even let you join a group if you can't/won't get in Discord, TeamSpeak, etc. The majority assume that if we don't get in VOIP we're not good players. In all honesty, this is pretty frustrating. We read just fine, and follow instructions pretty darn good. So we are wondering

    Is it standard for your guild to REQUIRE everyone to be in VOIP to be a member?

    If so, what about those who have a handicap - do you tell them they are unwelcome or just avoid inviting them?
    If not, is your PvP-PvE guild recruiting and who do we contact? (PC-EU/NA - we are willing to reroll on EU for the right group!)


    personally i am a mute my self, i have found a few guilds to be extremely understanding once you explain the situation. Hell one of them even ran me through a vet dungeon because i have never done it before. My advice is keep looking, and it is best to find social guilds, they are not catered to one thing or the other. I tend to find the mroe helpful people in them.
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  • MarkusLiberty
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    No
    The poll was a bit confusing so I'm not entierly sure what I voted.
    Either way, I have done tons of group dungeons, both normal and veteran, and I always use text chat. In the few instances where other members have used team speak, they had no issue with me sticking to the chat. This might be more common on PC EU though, as we have a much larger non-english speaking audience
    Edited by MarkusLiberty on March 27, 2017 1:25PM
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  • Milvan
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    I'm a active trial and guild leader, I'm not a really fan of people that don't have a mic or sound because they don't feel like, but I'll type instructions and commands on the party chat of course, tho I'll constantly ask them to get a mic/sound, it will make my life easier and their life easier.

    Tho, if someone comes to me and say that he/she has a disability and can't hear/talk properly/at all (or any other issue like kids sleeping, playing on the living room etc) , I'll glady and promptly type everything the player needs to know in party chat.

    Since people except you to communicate in the most efficient way possible (voice chat), I think is important to tell them about your characteristcs before playing with them. Not because they are entitled to ask or to impose anything, just because we need to know the best way to communicate.
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  • Duiwel
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    No
    Hey OP,

    Why not just join a relaxed social guild in NA?

    I am sure there are a few ?

    I will give you an example of our guild:


    The majority of the guild DO NOT USE voice chat.

    Even though I would like more ppl to do so, we are relaxed ( I understand why as well i.e. most of them are embarrassed about their accent, which I find silly as it's their second language and many people from Europe can speak English very well, it's only the Brits that make jokes about the accent and after a while they grow use to it)

    So we have regular guild chatters, the quiet ones, the regulars on voice chat who come on every night.

    I am certain you will be able to find something similar and if not, why not make one?

    I count 4 guys, that's enough for a daily dungeon :wink: ( just saying)


    I re-rolled way back in 2014 (3 months after launch) and to this day it was a huge setback.

    Sure I have surpassed myself in any way imaginable and could probably never catch up to this level, but it still put me back to square one. Which is not ideal. Therefor I would recommend against it, unless none of you are High CP yet.

    Because of the +100%exp Pie you could probably all reach CP160 on EU if you REALLY wanted to re-roll, but like I said I wouldn't advise it OP.


    I would like to mention one thing, apart from my guild's website, we do tend to not explain CP, skills and complicated LOOOONG things over text anymore as you can imagine having had a guild for over a year you've had to retype a lot of the same answers over and over and it just gets to a point where you're still willing to tell people it ( so that you can still play) but not necessarily type wall of texts explaining things. That does not mean some people ( myself included ) do not from time to time make exceptions to this "new rule". But it does get tedious sometimes, hence why we made a website.


    Sorry about the wall of text.
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  • paulsimonps
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    I usually make a big deal about getting on teamspeak and won't allow people to join without it cause it makes it way easier and more coordinated to lead trials that way. However, for a very long time we had a guy in the guild call DeafDragon, he never joined for trials and stuff and didn't talk much in guild chat. But as it turned out when I asked him about why he didn't participate it was cause is userid was more informative than I first thought, he was actually deaf. Fast forward 2 ish months and on his own accord he started joining trials and I then made an exception for him, trying to be as inclusive as I could. For that and other reasons I'm working a bit on some visual guides I can show him and others, not just people will disabilities how to run things. Visual guides helps everyone not just disabled people. And so hopefully I will get that done and he can start trying harder content with us. He did a vHRC with us for the first time the other week and understood almost everything with just a short description in chat, Warrior star fall was a bit harder to grasp and he died there but 2nd time went much better. Its a about practice.

    I've also run with very old people, that are much slower than most, some so old that they can't use their left hand to use WASD and press shift key to run at the same time for example, but I always make an effort to let them join the things I know they can handle. Normal Trials and easier Veteran Dungeons for example. They are usually very happy to run whatever, its about being able to be apart of the group and have fun that is the most important for them.

    But so yea, for me, if you don't have a disability that prevents you from using Voice Chat I demand you be on voice chat for Trials and other raid but I will make exceptions for disabled people to try and let them join on as much as I can.
  • NewBlacksmurf
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    Other, will explain below.
    Guilds are usually a group of people with similar interests and play times or goals.

    You'll either want to keep looking or start a guild yourselves as it's pretty common to use voice chat if you plan on doing group encounters.
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  • randolphbenoit
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    No
    As social crafter guild we never use VOIP/TS/Discord as requirement in fact we never actually use (except to speak to ally GMs on guild matters). We prefer to do dungeons and such just going on basic info (and experience) in group chat. We do not even have limit on activity. We just about fun and play way you like. In PvP we like small splitter group running around flipping resources and do keep repair. Some members do not do any crafting just prefer having good friends to chat to. As for personal health issues I too slightly deaf in one ear and bad shoulder so I understand how you feel. Happy hunting.
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  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    Just let a guild leader or officer know you/or your buddies have special needs. Most folks in the game are pretty accommodating towards folks with special needs.

    So if you join a group in Cyro and they ask for team speak, just quietly whisper the crown and say, Hey my buddy has special needs, do you think you can type your commands in /group chat?

    Let me tell you something, I joined a guild last week, and one of the officers has studdering speech. Sometimes it takes him a little longer to finish a word. But you know what? He's been organizing groups and leading them in PvP for AD and through his actions he has helped us secure the map. Just because he speaks a little differently, that sure as heck does not hold him back at all. Learn from his example OP.
    Entegre wrote: »
    But we have a guy who does not have any headset, he can't hear us or talk to us yet he plays real good and in conjunction with us. If you play with a certain friendly guild for a short amount of time you will adapt to their tactics and learn to play with them successfully.

    As part of my training, I often take my headset off and listen to music to simulate what this post is talking about. Taking out the obvious voice chatter and paying attention to actions. Then figuring out what the crown is thinking, enemy movement, etc. Helps to really train my spacial awareness in pvp.
    Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on March 27, 2017 2:13PM
  • Damianos
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    Yes
    We had a deaf girl in our raid some time ago, it went quite well: During the explanation on TS, one person wrote a short version for her in the raid chat (not so difficult and slow with 10-finger-writing), although i must say it was in another game with much more complex boss mechanics, so we had plenty of time to give her a personal review. We also had a makro made specially for her with a raid warning, should she be choosen by a doom-mechanic in a fight, as it was not possible to warn her via voice chat.

    As i said, its not a problem at all.

    We raided together in other games, and that is how we met online and then at one of the guild vacation gatherings about 12 years ago. We all have the experience in hardcore competative end game content, again in other games. It's nice that ours wasn't the only guild that was not discriminatory.
  • Damianos
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Just speak with any guilds before joining and see how they are with it, some might turn away some might work hard to accommodate.

    That is the reason for the poll, as all but our trade guilds, have told us (some more polite than others) that we're either too high maintanence or they just don't want to be bothered with people who can't do voice chats.

    Guilds are usually a group of people with similar interests and play times or goals.

    You'll either want to keep looking or start a guild yourselves as it's pretty common to use voice chat if you plan on doing group encounters.

    Honestly, none of us want to run a guild. We respect people who do, but it's not something we're interested in. Having said that, we have the same goals as any other people interested in group content - we just (for one reason or another) lack the ability to use a feature that 99% of people require and are often turned away for it.
  • nodulo
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    I would be curious how difficult a voice to text add-on would be to design.
    It could have settings to personally only show up on selected members chat boxes to keep other members dialog boxes free of clutter.
    Most likely a huge undertaking for private third parties to design.
  • Tasear
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    Yes
    Hmmm.... It wouldn't hurt to have such features.

    Option a: Xbox has built in voice chat

    Option b: needs to be addressed.
  • idk
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    I've raided with guilds that had members that had medically related handicapped and it's just fine. Even one deaf member.

    A social guild is the best bet to start with. Generally social guild are a great place to start and learn more about the game and can be more accommodating.
  • Orjix
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    our guild doesn't REQUIRE it, but if you're going to do PvP/ or high end PvE then it is required, we've had way to many failures with people not using VoIP, that for most things it's required. It's just not technically required to be in the guild
  • Autolycus
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    I've never run into a guild that requires VOIP just to be a member. VOIP in ESO is only really required for vet trials, and it helps to use it for the DLC dungeons too in most groups. That's only a small portion of ESO, though.

    You'll find it very difficult to do something like vMoL without being able to hear the rest of the group or communicate with them. I take it you aren't looking for a progression guild, though, and are probably more in the market for a social guild? Last time I checked, social guilds don't require VOIP so long as you still socialize.
  • Damianos
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    Autolycus wrote: »
    I've never run into a guild that requires VOIP just to be a member. VOIP in ESO is only really required for vet trials, and it helps to use it for the DLC dungeons too in most groups. That's only a small portion of ESO, though.

    You'll find it very difficult to do something like vMoL without being able to hear the rest of the group or communicate with them. I take it you aren't looking for a progression guild, though, and are probably more in the market for a social guild? Last time I checked, social guilds don't require VOIP so long as you still socialize.

    We, like everyone else who enjoys competative end game content, strive to be a part of progression. As stated earlier, we came from other games where competative raiding was how we met. It isn't so much that WE can't communicate, it's that MOST PvP and PvE guilds in this game don't want to take the time to type things out.
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  • ShimmerDoll
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    No
    I'm actually looking for a SMALL guild that is okay with me being mute. I can't speak and so far in ESO i've just been treated like the most unimportant player. It sucks feeling isolated because of a disability in a game of all things. I am only as of this message level 45 and new to the game but mostly it was the voice issue. I actually play games better with music on to pace myself. I can't speak so it's unimportant to me and has been my entire life before mmos or any "must voice chat" games existed. Texting would be the most ideal. I type faster than people talk since I use an iPad in the real world to communicate with people in conversations.

    I also just do better in very small guilds where people matter and aren't just another name on a huge list. I've been searching on reddit and other forums for a month now for some people to play with or person even. I've been searching for years outside of ESO for other games I end up quitting. I usually play every night but I have a job and stuff so I'm not always on. I saw this message but I am a few months late. I love ESO but without finding 1 or 2 others to play with it might be another I give up on.

    So if anyone reading this looking for something similar please message me @ShimmerDoll
    Edited by ShimmerDoll on June 23, 2017 2:38AM
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