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Countering CC in PvP - Any Advice?
Exalted_Goose
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Hello everyone!
So, I've recently given PvP a good go, and have thus far been really enjoying it; I've been using mainly a Dunmer Sorcerer build, and have got him to a point where he's fairly effective in both duels and Cyrodiil. However, one thing that really annoys me is the massive amount of CC that I seem to receive, and how I can only break free from Soft/Hard CC once, (given my low level of Stamina, which has been substituted to maximise Magicka) - in a lot of scenarios, I seem to be permanently disabled, without any means of countering it. Soft CC is alright, since I can, at least, spam the shields that I use and proc my Infernal Guardian set, (which usually serves as a deterrent), but Hard CC usually results in my destruction, and in both duelling and Cyrodiil, there seems to be so much of it - without Stamina to break free from it, I am often doomed by it. It really is a deal-breaker for me at the minute and has actually started turning me off the whole PvP element of the game, because I just feel powerless and that I cannot do anything against it - I find this incredibly frustrating.
Hence, I turn to you. I am certain that I'm doing something wrong, and I'd like to hear some advice of yours on how to effectively counter CC in PvP. I'd really like to re-kindle my enjoyment in PvP scenarios, and I'm wondering if, aside from potions, there are other ways for a Magicka-based build to resist CC. I hear that blocking and rolling works well, but generally my Stamina is depleted after one roll, and against certain abilities, (such as the Dragonknight immobilisation one, where claws come out of the ground), it seems impossible to block them; I also understand that CC immunity isn't applied once someone receives Soft CC, like Snares, and thus after breaking free from that, you can still receive a more detrimental stunning effect. In essence, how would you recommend countering CC in PvP for a Magicka-based build?
Many thanks in advance, and my apologies if this is a noob-esque or silly question!
So, I've recently given PvP a good go, and have thus far been really enjoying it; I've been using mainly a Dunmer Sorcerer build, and have got him to a point where he's fairly effective in both duels and Cyrodiil. However, one thing that really annoys me is the massive amount of CC that I seem to receive, and how I can only break free from Soft/Hard CC once, (given my low level of Stamina, which has been substituted to maximise Magicka) - in a lot of scenarios, I seem to be permanently disabled, without any means of countering it. Soft CC is alright, since I can, at least, spam the shields that I use and proc my Infernal Guardian set, (which usually serves as a deterrent), but Hard CC usually results in my destruction, and in both duelling and Cyrodiil, there seems to be so much of it - without Stamina to break free from it, I am often doomed by it. It really is a deal-breaker for me at the minute and has actually started turning me off the whole PvP element of the game, because I just feel powerless and that I cannot do anything against it - I find this incredibly frustrating.
Hence, I turn to you. I am certain that I'm doing something wrong, and I'd like to hear some advice of yours on how to effectively counter CC in PvP. I'd really like to re-kindle my enjoyment in PvP scenarios, and I'm wondering if, aside from potions, there are other ways for a Magicka-based build to resist CC. I hear that blocking and rolling works well, but generally my Stamina is depleted after one roll, and against certain abilities, (such as the Dragonknight immobilisation one, where claws come out of the ground), it seems impossible to block them; I also understand that CC immunity isn't applied once someone receives Soft CC, like Snares, and thus after breaking free from that, you can still receive a more detrimental stunning effect. In essence, how would you recommend countering CC in PvP for a Magicka-based build?
Many thanks in advance, and my apologies if this is a noob-esque or silly question!
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Lieblingsjunge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Immovable potions are an option. Run sets like e.g. Amberplasm to help with Stamina sustain. A clever sorc once said to me:
The best tip you can ever follow as a Sorc in PvP: Know when to streak. I feel like it's the same here. Know when to streak - use Line-Of-Sight to avoid some of it.
Keep your shields up at all times. And don't block - it won't lower damage against shields anyway. + If you know youhave all your shields up for the duration of the cc, and you know they won't be able to kill you: Don't waste your stamina cc-breaking. Just wait it out.
Don't break the Disorients, any incoming damage will knock you out of it.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Floki_Vilgerdarson✭✭✭✭Exalted_Goose wrote: »Hello everyone!
So, I've recently given PvP a good go, and have thus far been really enjoying it; I've been using mainly a Dunmer Sorcerer build, and have got him to a point where he's fairly effective in both duels and Cyrodiil. However, one thing that really annoys me is the massive amount of CC that I seem to receive, and how I can only break free from Soft/Hard CC once, (given my low level of Stamina, which has been substituted to maximise Magicka) - in a lot of scenarios, I seem to be permanently disabled, without any means of countering it. Soft CC is alright, since I can, at least, spam the shields that I use and proc my Infernal Guardian set, (which usually serves as a deterrent), but Hard CC usually results in my destruction, and in both duelling and Cyrodiil, there seems to be so much of it - without Stamina to break free from it, I am often doomed by it. It really is a deal-breaker for me at the minute and has actually started turning me off the whole PvP element of the game, because I just feel powerless and that I cannot do anything against it - I find this incredibly frustrating.
Hence, I turn to you. I am certain that I'm doing something wrong, and I'd like to hear some advice of yours on how to effectively counter CC in PvP. I'd really like to re-kindle my enjoyment in PvP scenarios, and I'm wondering if, aside from potions, there are other ways for a Magicka-based build to resist CC. I hear that blocking and rolling works well, but generally my Stamina is depleted after one roll, and against certain abilities, (such as the Dragonknight immobilisation one, where claws come out of the ground), it seems impossible to block them; I also understand that CC immunity isn't applied once someone receives Soft CC, like Snares, and thus after breaking free from that, you can still receive a more detrimental stunning effect. In essence, how would you recommend countering CC in PvP for a Magicka-based build?
Many thanks in advance, and my apologies if this is a noob-esque or silly question!
What is your max stamina, it should be min of about 14k as a 600cp Dark Elf. That is not enough sramina for me in pvp as a magic player. Run tri-stat food or add a few stamina points. In PVP magic users need stamina more than stam users need magic. Use pots, cp, sets, or up your stamina without sacrificing too much magic.
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Troneon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Spammable soft CC is BS in any game, ZOS should wake up and get rid of soft CC, CC is CC...PC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything1 -
ku5h✭✭✭✭✭
✭First of all i would recomend you use 3 stat food. Extra stamina you get will give you a lot of survivability in terms of allowing you to do a dodgeroll or 2 when your expecting great amount of dmg(5+ ppl focusing you) and still have enough stamina to break free. Dont roll soft CCs, just wait them out or streak if you need to move fast. If you have money 3stat/immovable pots are also great option.1 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I run a build (Magplar) with almost 50k magic and under 10k stam. I do fine against CC using these tricks.
- Mist Form- Arguably the best defensive ability in the game. You can get out of basically anything.
- Immovable potions - The value of 15 seconds where almost nothing can CC you is often life and death.
- Retreating Manuevers- It's my only stamina ability but if you're willing to let 1 move eat up 70% of your stamina it works well.
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Jitterbug✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Since ice staffs now allow magicka to be used for blocking maybe that's paving the way for a magicka break free as well. Fingers crossed.1 -
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✭✭✭OP, you answered your own question. Your Stam management is terrible for reasons you have already mentioned.0331
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Take your stam management seriously in pvp. Don't pvp with less than 13k stam. Pop tripots whenever you dodgeroll. Wear bloodspawn or take the serpent mundus if that still isn't enough.
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You MUST manage your stam as a magicka player. As you said, running out of stam is a death sentence, and timing a hard CC with a sorc's shield timer is generally a good strategy for taking one out.
In addition to some of the suggestions above, as a sorc, you also have access to Dark Deal as a stamina mangement option.1 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What's stamina?
I PVP just fine and my guy may as well be a chain smoker. Plenty of reliable CC removal options for Magicka players that I already mentioned.1 -
Arciris✭✭✭✭✭
✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I run a build (Magplar) with almost 50k magic and under 10k stam. I do fine against CC using these tricks.
- Mist Form- Arguably the best defensive ability in the game. You can get out of basically anything.
- Immovable potions - The value of 15 seconds where almost nothing can CC you is often life and death.
- Retreating Manuevers- It's my only stamina ability but if you're willing to let 1 move eat up 70% of your stamina it works well.
As mentioned above: Mist Form is your "magika break-free move".
You need to be a vampire to access it though.
Slot it on one bar, activate to break free, bar swap to get out of Mist Form when you feel like it. It is expensive, you will need to manage your magika properly. keep your stamina to block or roll dodge
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BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭The bigger challenge I find is using cc against counters. may sound confusing but I think cc is too severe and there are too many counters. just my 5c1
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Exalted_Goose✭✭✭✭Wow, thanks for all the advice everyone, I'm hugely grateful that you've all taken the time to help me out! I really appreciate the effort that you've all made to assist me - I'll take some time to address some individual points that people have raised...Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Immovable potions are an option. Run sets like e.g. Amberplasm to help with Stamina sustain. A clever sorc once said to me: The best tip you can ever follow as a Sorc in PvP: Know when to streak. I feel like it's the same here. Know when to streak - use Line-Of-Sight to avoid some of it. Keep your shields up at all times. And don't block - it won't lower damage against shields anyway. + If you know youhave all your shields up for the duration of the cc, and you know they won't be able to kill you: Don't waste your stamina cc-breaking. Just wait it out. Don't break the Disorients, any incoming damage will knock you out of it.
Does streak break you out of the grasp of Soft CC? If so, then I've been using it completely wrong all this time - mainly as a means of hard-line retreating and closing the distance between enemies who are fleeing! That's some really useful information, thank you for offering this advice! Also, generally, I have all of my shields up, but I'm currently finding resource management slightly tougher than I would otherwise because I'm not using ideal gear, (I'm hoping to use the Lich set for Magicka management), and while I can keep all of my shields powered when I'm Soft CC'd - using the Infernal Guardian set to still put some damage out - it's generally recovering from Hard CC that's the toughest, (as in, replenishing my shields and then using what's left to deal additional damage in one frantic burst - I'm edging towards the assumption that this is a flaw in my technique).
Thank you for taking the time to give this advice, it's hugely appreciated!Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »What is your max stamina, it should be min of about 14k as a 600cp Dark Elf. That is not enough sramina for me in pvp as a magic player. Run tri-stat food or add a few stamina points. In PVP magic users need stamina more than stam users need magic. Use pots, cp, sets, or up your stamina without sacrificing too much magic. Hope this helps some.
My maximum Stamina without buffs, as it stands, is very unimpressive - it's around 10,000 at the most, (at the minute, I'm CP 179 with max-level gear, save for my Infernal Guardian set that needs replacing); I've invested all of my attribute points into Magicka, and have recently been wondering if that was the best decision to make. I haven't used tri-stat food before - only dual, (mainly Magicka and Health) - so are there any dishes that you'd recommend? Also, aside from enchantments, are there any ways in which I can increase my base Stamina?
Many thanks for your help!
THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I run a build (Magplar) with almost 50k magic and under 10k stam. I do fine against CC using these tricks.
- Mist Form- Arguably the best defensive ability in the game. You can get out of basically anything.
- Immovable potions - The value of 15 seconds where almost nothing can CC you is often life and death.
- Retreating Manuevers- It's my only stamina ability but if you're willing to let 1 move eat up 70% of your stamina it works well.
That's good to hear - I'm also running Vampire on this character, (usually, he's always Stage 4, for the bonuses and because I think that my character looks the coolest when at Stage 4 Vampirism) - and thus I shall definitely invest in Mist Form. I'm considering using it on my Overload bar at the minute, if possible, because I'm very pleased with my current bar layout and I rarely use my Overload bar presently, (generally, I drop it as a last resort). I've heard previously that it's a good ability for escaping - can it negate at least Soft CC effects? If so, then I'll definitely start looking into using it! Also, do potions remove the effects of food, because I've always feared that I'd lose the bonuses that a specific meal gives if I drink a potion.
Thanks for the advice, and for mentioning the power of Mist Form - I'm certainly going to have a look at it!
Once again, many thanks to everyone who's posted, because your advice and insight is invaluable! Have a smashing week guys! "One fine day in the middle of the night. Two dead Kings got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other, drew their bows... and stabbed themselves...".0
