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Major theft from guild bank/plea to Zenimax to give us guild bank control tools.
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SquareSausage wrote: »People are being too harsh on tanner, im geneuinely sorry for you mate, its terrible that people do this, you are obviously a guy meaning well by his guild, just need to take it as a lesson, no new players should ever have access to the bank, end of, thats it, people/strangers cant be trusted in real life, let alone a game where there is literally no accountability whatsoever. Just need to be more strict on the withdrawal policies and who you promote.
Indeed, i'm finding out the hard way how people can (and only a fraction every will) act in these sort of games.
The biggest thing that sucks about it is, i've to now start treating every new player like a potential criminal and it hurts guild growth - many players will leave a guild the instant that they see they don't have full privileges.
Again, people wouldn't be able to act like that at all if we'd proper bank (and other extended guild) control tools :_ .
Another thing that's hurting guild recruitment and something i can't change, is that both guilds don't allow players when they first join them to really do anything - you either have to be online at the same time they join a guild or hope that they stick around 'til you come back online to promote them to at least even use the store.
I've lost count of how many players that have joined and left either guild before i got back online.
Maybe at this stage, i should just leave one of the guilds and start one which instantly gives newly joining players at least store access, to help keep them in the guild - but getting players to join a guild with only one player will be even harder than it is to get them to join ones which currently have about 60 and 125, respectfully.
Maybe if, like i said there was an option for me to apply to become the guildmaster of one or both of the guilds i could make some proper changes, but right now, it does feel like i'm bailing out a sinking ship, which none of the small number of other active high level players are doing anything to save themselves.
Even i, like i said only tried to do something to really help the guilds and started investigating the guild tools and what all the permissions and ranks allow and do about a week ago... :_ .
I'm still learning - maybe the lack of bank and other guild tools is why the two guilds' masters have been awol and seemingly lost interest in them :_ .0 -
IronCrystal wrote: »Sorry for your guild losses, but did is going to remove the video since names aren't blurred
Out of curiosity, why is the names not being blurred in the video a problem for ZOS? I understand not allowing them to be put inside the forum post itself, but where does it state that even names inside a video (hosted elsewhere) has to have the names blurred out?
It's part of naming and shaming.
As i said in another comment:-
Anytime you're playing online, your player name and other details are being broadcast at least to everyone playing with you, in addition everyone playing with you could potentially be capturing the footage to post on sites like Youtube later or be livestreaming it on sites, again like Youtube or Twitch etc.
I've 300+ gaming videos on my channel which potentially show the player names and other details of countless gamers and none of them has every been flagged for removal.
The only difference with this video is that it shows the bad actions of one player, the same actions the currently nearly 60 people left in the guild (sure many of them haven't logged in in a nearly a year, but any could come back at any time), can read in the history of the guild at any time.
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(I'm low level in my other three guilds, but i can read all their history.)
When you do something in an online game, it's public and you're warned in several ways on most online services you use.
About the only way i could see Zenimax objecting to this thread (or my video) is IF they punish the player in question, told me by email and instructed me to not discuss whatever actions they'd taken - my footage is no different to a live stream or any other captured online video . Edited by tanner1ie on March 1, 2017 9:31PM0 -
Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah I haven't joined or made a guild specifically because of the limitations in place. It'd be nice to see some improvements made.
Being a guild member is safe and mostly if you only list items for sale in the guild store, there's no risk to you.
The guild sale system generally works very well, the only things i don't like about it are a guild has to have 50 members before they can make sales, even to each other.
You can only list 30 items per guild, so while that might mean 150 items in total if you're in the max five guilds, for me for example only being in three proper trading guilds, i'm basically limited to selling 90 items in total.
While you will find guilds which freely let members make sales and access the bank (even with the theft dangers of the current system).
But in particular, the way guilds have to hire traders with blind auctions and the typically sillily high cost of winning bids of many of the traders, mean that guilds go to varying lengths to raise gold.
In any guild, they get a small amount of gold whenever you list something for sale and a significant amount when you make a sale.
Many guilds are happy to only receive these cuts of the sales.
Many other guilds still fairly, only request gold donations to go towards hiring traders.
Others let you freely make sales, but request donations to access the guild bank which i mostly ignore, mostly being happy with being able to sell stuff.
Others have a mixture of donations for bank access and "raffles", which players are free join at their choice.
Some things though which guilds do to raise money are pushing the limits of fairness, like demanding players pay "donations" each week (in this case, i feel that's blackmail, actually blackmail), to remain in such guilds.
The worse thing i've seen, literally one guild do, is demand donations to even access the guild bank - that to me is 100% a scam.
On guild store sales, while you're free to leave guilds at any time or may find yourself kicked out of a guild without warning or a reason, thankfully you get your listed items back, less the small fee it cost to list them, though a further problem with the guild bank system, you don't get any of your deposited items back :_ .
Actually 5k a week for trader access isn't that bad. They have to get enough in the bank to make bids. And I believe the gm should earn some sort of "pay" to keep track of everything. I'm no gm but I know what kind of work a good one puts in, and it's not easy. Keeping up with memebers, trying to maintain a trader, coming up with contest and activities to bring gold in and trying to keep everyone informed of what's going on.
I also know what a bad gm does as one of my former guild was disbanded after the gm was caught selling gold. With him being banned there was no one else to bid on traders and after a month almost everyone quit. Him and his Co gm both got banned.
Last little note, never put anything in the bank you don't want to lose. It's too much risk honestly.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭<snip> many players will leave a guild the instant that they see they don't have full privileges. <snip>
Perhaps you need to ask yourself if those are the sort of players that you want in the guild?
I get that you like to help people, to give them a leg-up as well as giving them the benefit of the doubt as strangers, along with wanting to help keep the guild going. However, in extending not only the hand of friendship to strangers but also the keys to your vault, you need to accept that occasionally that spirit of generosity will backfire, and when it does the appropriate response is a philosophical one as well as one of learning from it, rather than immediately going public with naming and shaming and expecting others to change the system for you. Either accept the odd abuse of trust as a price worth paying for the overall trusting relationship with your guild, or tighten the guild rules. Don't leave the rules open to abuse and then complain publicly when that abuse occurs.3 -
No offence but that adds up to about 874 coins
The handful of even white Rubedite items easily sell for around 500 pieces, just by the virtue of being 160cp items which take around 150 ingots to make.
I manage to sell glyphs of any level for around 500 gold also.
The voidsteel item was still a 140cp item and would sell for around 300-500 gold.
The several of the beech and oak etc items were green or blue and would still sell for 500-1000 gold.
It might not look it, but that was still easily thousands worth of gold :_ .
But regardless of the gold value, it's just the principle of the thing, people shouldn't (and most won't) do something like this, but with proper bank tools, in particular, like i said, a guild set item valve exchange system, they wouldn't be able to and we could safely leave the banks open for everybody :_ .Edited by tanner1ie on March 1, 2017 10:21PM0 -
Khumbu✭✭✭Sorry to be harsh, but opening access to everyone like that was naive. Guild bank theft has been a thing since at least WoW's debut in 2004. New guildies aren't being "punished", by not being immediately allowed to go nuts in your bank. Most (smart) guilds don't allow that. They can ask an officer for what they want, and gain access themselves after a probation period.
Would you keep your house unlocked at all times, even when your neighbors weren't home, just so they could come in? Then what if some stranger got into your neighborhood and cleaned out your house? By putting a lock on the door, yeah every single trustworthy neighbor can't come and go 24/7, but by locking the door you're keeping your stuff protected for those who you trust and deserve access.1 -
Stopnaggin wrote: »Yeah I haven't joined or made a guild specifically because of the limitations in place. It'd be nice to see some improvements made.
Being a guild member is safe and mostly if you only list items for sale in the guild store, there's no risk to you.
The guild sale system generally works very well, the only things i don't like about it are a guild has to have 50 members before they can make sales, even to each other.
You can only list 30 items per guild, so while that might mean 150 items in total if you're in the max five guilds, for me for example only being in three proper trading guilds, i'm basically limited to selling 90 items in total.
While you will find guilds which freely let members make sales and access the bank (even with the theft dangers of the current system).
But in particular, the way guilds have to hire traders with blind auctions and the typically sillily high cost of winning bids of many of the traders, mean that guilds go to varying lengths to raise gold.
In any guild, they get a small amount of gold whenever you list something for sale and a significant amount when you make a sale.
Many guilds are happy to only receive these cuts of the sales.
Many other guilds still fairly, only request gold donations to go towards hiring traders.
Others let you freely make sales, but request donations to access the guild bank which i mostly ignore, mostly being happy with being able to sell stuff.
Others have a mixture of donations for bank access and "raffles", which players are free join at their choice.
Some things though which guilds do to raise money are pushing the limits of fairness, like demanding players pay "donations" each week (in this case, i feel that's blackmail, actually blackmail), to remain in such guilds.
The worse thing i've seen, literally one guild do, is demand donations to even access the guild bank - that to me is 100% a scam.
On guild store sales, while you're free to leave guilds at any time or may find yourself kicked out of a guild without warning or a reason, thankfully you get your listed items back, less the small fee it cost to list them, though a further problem with the guild bank system, you don't get any of your deposited items back :_ .
Actually 5k a week for trader access isn't that bad. They have to get enough in the bank to make bids. And I believe the gm should earn some sort of "pay" to keep track of everything. I'm no gm but I know what kind of work a good one puts in, and it's not easy. Keeping up with memebers, trying to maintain a trader, coming up with contest and activities to bring gold in and trying to keep everyone informed of what's going on.
I also know what a bad gm does as one of my former guild was disbanded after the gm was caught selling gold. With him being banned there was no one else to bid on traders and after a month almost everyone quit. Him and his Co gm both got banned.
Last little note, never put anything in the bank you don't want to lose. It's too much risk honestly.
I can just about accept guilds which ask for donations to access the bank and am in one like that*.
And i'll happily be in guilds which suggest voluntary donations or hold fully optional raffles, i'm in two like that.
I refuse to pay "donations" when guilds demand i pay to stay in them, if i find myself a guild like that, i'll sell as much as i can and stay 'til i find a fairer one or they kick me out.
And the one time i found a guild which demanded "donations" just to sell, i called the guildmaster a scammer and left on the spot.
(I believe selling in a guild should be a right for every member :_ .)
(*I don't care too much about personal guild bank access - i'm just trying to keep mine in check for the good of my guilds. I mostly use the mostly still intact guild bank from the larger guild i'm trying to manage, to get light and medium armour materials, alchemy, and enchantment materials, on the rare occasion i fell like doing their writs and mostly dump in such materials myself.
The biggest contribution i regularly make to the larger guilds' bank is depositing the 25 random wood and metal ingots i get nearly everyday for their writs - i could stack and sell that stuff, but i know in the small quantities i'm getting it, lower level players will make better use of it .
Recently i started putting white 160 cp level Rubedite and Ruby Rose wood (that's what the top level wood is called right? - Edit Ruby Ash!, i was thinking of the actress ), items (which will easily sell for 500 gold) in there, because i can't sell them fast enough .) Edited by tanner1ie on March 1, 2017 10:24PM0 -
Sorry to be harsh, but opening access to everyone like that was naive. Guild bank theft has been a thing since at least WoW's debut in 2004. New guildies aren't being "punished", by not being immediately allowed to go nuts in your bank. Most (smart) guilds don't allow that. They can ask an officer for what they want, and gain access themselves after a probation period.
Would you keep your house unlocked at all times, even when your neighbors weren't home, just so they could come in? Then what if some stranger got into your neighborhood and cleaned out your house? By putting a lock on the door, yeah every single trustworthy neighbor can't come and go 24/7, but by locking the door you're keeping your stuff protected for those who you trust and deserve access.
Which is why i wish Zenimax would give us proper bank control tools, if possible like the automatic "credit" based swapping system i suggested (near the top ) in my opening post . 0 -
Syrani✭✭✭✭IronCrystal wrote: »Sorry for your guild losses, but did is going to remove the video since names aren't blurred
Out of curiosity, why is the names not being blurred in the video a problem for ZOS? I understand not allowing them to be put inside the forum post itself, but where does it state that even names inside a video (hosted elsewhere) has to have the names blurred out?
It's part of naming and shaming.
As i said in another comment:-
Anytime you're playing online, your player name and other details are being broadcast at least to everyone playing with you, in addition everyone playing with you could potentially be capturing the footage to post on sites like Youtube later or be livestreaming it on sites, again like Youtube or Twitch etc.
I've 300+ gaming videos on my channel which potentially show the player names and other details of countless gamers and none of them has every been flagged for removal.
The only difference with this video is that it shows the bad actions of one player, the same actions the currently nearly 60 people left in the guild (sure many of them haven't logged in in a nearly a year, but any could come back at any time), can read in the history of the guild at any time. .
(I'm low level in my other three guilds, but i can read all their history.)
When you do something in an online game, it's public and you're warned in several ways on most online services you use.
About the only way i could see Zenimax objecting to this thread (or my video) is IF they punish the player in question, told me by email and instructed me to not discuss whatever actions they'd taken - my footage is no different to a live stream or any other captured online video .
If I were you, I would remove that video from your post if it contains the names of the players you are accusing of theft. It could actually get YOU a forum ban, which would simply be adding insult to injury here. You have already had to deal with the pain of having a guild bank cleared out, you don't want to get a forum ban on top of that.
Zenimax has no control over what people post ON Youtube, but they do have control over what is posted HERE. It is against their Terms of Service to "name and shame". That basically means that if you are accusing someone of something, you cannot post anything that reveals their name (like your video) on these forums.
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Syrani✭✭✭✭Here is the relevant section in the ToS:
Naming-and-Shaming: We do not allow posts or threads that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community member(s). “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a post to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming. Generally, naming-and-shaming involves an in-game situation and/or Terms of Service violation, which the ESO Community Team is unable to assist with. A certain amount of rivalry and competitive razzing is healthy for any game community, especially one with PVP elements, but naming-and-shaming goes well beyond that. It typically elevates to a point where the subject feels legitimately harassed. We believe that naming-and-shaming posts and threads can be abused and are very harmful to the community. We also don't feel that publicly calling out or accusing others by name on our forums is in spirit of the game or our community. If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface — do not bring the situation onto the official ESO community forums.
Here is the link to the whole thing:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/60843/community-rules#latest0 -
IronCrystal wrote: »Sorry for your guild losses, but did is going to remove the video since names aren't blurred
Out of curiosity, why is the names not being blurred in the video a problem for ZOS? I understand not allowing them to be put inside the forum post itself, but where does it state that even names inside a video (hosted elsewhere) has to have the names blurred out?
It's part of naming and shaming.
As i said in another comment:-
Anytime you're playing online, your player name and other details are being broadcast at least to everyone playing with you, in addition everyone playing with you could potentially be capturing the footage to post on sites like Youtube later or be livestreaming it on sites, again like Youtube or Twitch etc.
I've 300+ gaming videos on my channel which potentially show the player names and other details of countless gamers and none of them has every been flagged for removal.
The only difference with this video is that it shows the bad actions of one player, the same actions the currently nearly 60 people left in the guild (sure many of them haven't logged in in a nearly a year, but any could come back at any time), can read in the history of the guild at any time. .
(I'm low level in my other three guilds, but i can read all their history.)
When you do something in an online game, it's public and you're warned in several ways on most online services you use.
About the only way i could see Zenimax objecting to this thread (or my video) is IF they punish the player in question, told me by email and instructed me to not discuss whatever actions they'd taken - my footage is no different to a live stream or any other captured online video .
If I were you, I would remove that video from your post if it contains the names of the players you are accusing of theft. It could actually get YOU a forum ban, which would simply be adding insult to injury here. You have already had to deal with the pain of having a guild bank cleared out, you don't want to get a forum ban on top of that.
Zenimax has no control over what people post ON Youtube, but they do have control over what is posted HERE. It is against their Terms of Service to "name and shame". That basically means that if you are accusing someone of something, you cannot post anything that reveals their name (like your video) on these forums.
But without my video, there's no proof of what they did.
Besides, like i said, every time you play an online game, potentially everybody you're playing with is posting or streaming videos of it.
Various online services, like the Playstation Network or Steam warn you that everything you do online is potential being broadcast - even when you're posting a video through the PS4's sharing feature, it's warns you that your player name and other details will likely be published, everytime you post a video.
Just like walking down the street, whenever you play an online game, you've no guarantee of and shouldn't expect what you do to be private.
Zenimax is hosting an online game, which they're essentially broadcasting around the World - all my video is is a direct in game capture showing, not just one players actions, but my own as well.
I haven't edited or skewed the footage in anyway, so i can't see it's doing anything wrong - it's not like i'm displaying anybodies' actually name, just their handle, which is anonymous any way . Edited by tanner1ie on March 1, 2017 10:51PM0 -
"where the subject feels legitimately harassed"
Was the player who wiped out our bank not harassing my guild and by extension me?
My guild was the victim here, not the player who took everything in the bank... :_ .
And again, when it says "name and shame", i believe it's taking about real names, not handles, as in if you "doxxed" someone - you can't tell anything about me from from my handle or avatar, not my sex, my real name, where i am in the World etc, nor any of the player names in the video... . Edited by tanner1ie on March 1, 2017 10:58PM0 -
agegarton✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There's an easy fix to this - ZoS could, with relative ease, allow GMs to "lock" items in the guild bank in the same way you can currently lock items in your own bank or inventory. Locked items can only be removed (or unlocked) by the GM.1 -
There's an easy fix to this - ZoS could, with relative ease, allow GMs to "lock" items in the guild bank in the same way you can currently lock items in your own bank or inventory. Locked items can only be removed (or unlocked) by the GM.
Indeed, a locking system would work very well, particular one which let's player request to withdrawn such items and that is probably the easiest way Zenimax could give us bank access controls, but it would still be a system which would be pretty slow as it would require the designated guild officer or officers be have to be online to clear every such transaction.
What if a guildmaster gave themselves sole permission to clear such transactions, in guilds like my two which have had mostly awol GMs, such a system would be nearly as bad as the current one of having to full open or fully close a guild bank - nothing would move, if the GM or bank officer was offline.
(Maybe if such transaction could be cleared/approved with a smart phone app to speed up clearing of transactions/make it much easier for players to do on the move and away from home and their gaming systems, but such an app would need to be coded into the game and i doubt that'll happen .)
While it might take a bit more work and need the GM or bank officers to initially set gold values for items, once items were valued, my "credit" system would be automatic and short of the varying values set be people for individual items, nearly immune from abuse - it'd at the very least stop mass bank withdrawals . Edited by tanner1ie on March 1, 2017 11:23PM0 -
Chronicburn✭✭✭✭I'll sign this petition ... just like with housing... use the technology guys ... other games did this long ago so you should be doing even better ... off the couch, back to work!1
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✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Again, no. You GAVE the player the right to do that. It's all back on you.Shame on one player for taking everything in a bank in one morning! :_ .
Maybe that's what you expected, but did you tell the players that? Is that explicitly spelled out on your Message-of-the-day?Also, i expected the player to fairly swap their items or just take a handful of items like most normal people do...
Even if he had the power to take the stuff from the guild bank, that is just plain greed tbh and should respect the guild no matter if you had access to it or not.2 -
Alarra✭✭✭
Yeah, it's rude, but it's not theft if you're giving them access. It's like the "free" table at work, a spot where everyone puts stuff for others to take, which everyone has access to: yeah, you're a greedy inconsiderate jerk if you take everything, but it's not "theft" since everyone has free access to it and the items are specifically given for anyone to take.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Again, no. You GAVE the player the right to do that. It's all back on you.Shame on one player for taking everything in a bank in one morning! :_ .
Maybe that's what you expected, but did you tell the players that? Is that explicitly spelled out on your Message-of-the-day?Also, i expected the player to fairly swap their items or just take a handful of items like most normal people do...
Even if he had the power to take the stuff from the guild bank, that is just plain greed tbh and should respect the guild no matter if you had access to it or not.UESP - Your source for The Elder Scrolls since 1995.
UESP forum/blog/Discord admin, wiki patroller, NA/PC Guild Advisor0 -
Syrani✭✭✭✭IronCrystal wrote: »Sorry for your guild losses, but did is going to remove the video since names aren't blurred
Out of curiosity, why is the names not being blurred in the video a problem for ZOS? I understand not allowing them to be put inside the forum post itself, but where does it state that even names inside a video (hosted elsewhere) has to have the names blurred out?
It's part of naming and shaming.
As i said in another comment:-
Anytime you're playing online, your player name and other details are being broadcast at least to everyone playing with you, in addition everyone playing with you could potentially be capturing the footage to post on sites like Youtube later or be livestreaming it on sites, again like Youtube or Twitch etc.
I've 300+ gaming videos on my channel which potentially show the player names and other details of countless gamers and none of them has every been flagged for removal.
The only difference with this video is that it shows the bad actions of one player, the same actions the currently nearly 60 people left in the guild (sure many of them haven't logged in in a nearly a year, but any could come back at any time), can read in the history of the guild at any time. .
(I'm low level in my other three guilds, but i can read all their history.)
When you do something in an online game, it's public and you're warned in several ways on most online services you use.
About the only way i could see Zenimax objecting to this thread (or my video) is IF they punish the player in question, told me by email and instructed me to not discuss whatever actions they'd taken - my footage is no different to a live stream or any other captured online video .
If I were you, I would remove that video from your post if it contains the names of the players you are accusing of theft. It could actually get YOU a forum ban, which would simply be adding insult to injury here. You have already had to deal with the pain of having a guild bank cleared out, you don't want to get a forum ban on top of that.
Zenimax has no control over what people post ON Youtube, but they do have control over what is posted HERE. It is against their Terms of Service to "name and shame". That basically means that if you are accusing someone of something, you cannot post anything that reveals their name (like your video) on these forums.
But without my video, there's no proof of what they did.
Besides, like i said, every time you play an online game, potentially everybody you're playing with is posting or streaming videos of it.
Various online services, like the Playstation Network or Steam warn you that everything you do online is potential being broadcast - even when you're posting a video through the PS4's sharing feature, it's warns you that your player name and other details will likely be published, everytime you post a video.
Just like walking down the street, whenever you play an online game, you've no guarantee of and shouldn't expect what you do to be private.
Zenimax is hosting an online game, which they're essentially broadcasting around the World - all my video is is a direct in game capture showing, not just one players actions, but my own as well.
I haven't edited or skewed the footage in anyway, so i can't see it's doing anything wrong - it's not like i'm displaying anybodies' actually name, just their handle, which is anonymous any way .
You aren't supposed to provide "proof" on the forums that a certain player did something wrong. You should instead send that video to Zenimax, along with a description of the alleged infraction. This is stated in the ToS. Also, in this case, player "handles" ARE what they are talking about, not real names, although real names wouldn't be allowed either. You may not agree with it, but it's their forums, their rules. I am not trying to give you a hard time, I am trying to warn you that you may very well be in violation of their ToS, which they can take action against your forum account for that. Maybe they will take action, maybe they won't - it's up to you to decide if it's worth the risk.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. Why do they have any access at all other than deposit?
Part of managing a guild bank is strictly limiting who can take things out. Pretty much I'd sugges no one other than the GM and one other person. This curves behaviors cause if u can't see what's in there.....-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Kesstryl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think better controls for the guild masters and officers are much needed. In other games I've played, there were levels of access in the banks so that players of certain ranks could access parts of the bank, but not all of it. This definitely prevented wipes and thefts of high value stuff. This would solve a lot of problems like this. The lock system as mentioned would also be good as it's a system already in place, just need to use the code in guild banks too. Yes it makes more work for the GM, but so does having EVERYTHING in the bank access only by the GM. Parts of a guild bank should be open for players to swap stuff, and parts should be controlled by GMs and officers only when those items are valuable and require control from theft and fair distribution.HEARTHLIGHT - A guild for housing enthusiasts! Contact @Kesstryl in-game to join.0 -
Ringsel✭✭saying that you give access to people to do *** and it is your fault that the incidents happen is like a net cafe employee who are allowed to take some of the cashier money to buy lunch, and when he took the entire bank account with him he is not at fault.
i just got my guild bank stolen. i submitted a ticket.First EP Stamblade Emperor in more than 1 year @ No-CP, and First and Only Emperor in the first campaign of Sotha Sil.0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This has probably happened to all of us who run a guild at some point.
I've had it happen 3 times total in 2 guilds.
It's frustrating that we don't have any granular controls, it's either on or off. This needs to change ...
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CountEdmondDantes✭✭✭✭When I was first introduced to Guild Banks, I did not expect to have withdraw access. So if your logic was: "I'll do this and our guild will be popular" then consider that not everyone wants or needs that access. Withdraw access may sound as if you're encouraging trust, but really you're encouraging the behavior you experienced.
If you want your guild to be popular, then try to be helpful, encourage new players, and try organize events that everyone can participate in (you know, not all of us are ready to run vWGT ... ).
I joined a few guilds when I bought the game about a month ago. I inquired in game about a guild that is really good for newbies. I was given a recommendation, I sought an invite, and I'm still in the one guild and the other two are gone. Why? These people are friendly and they give really good advice.
Maybe something to think about, from a new player's perspective. I do know I appreciate it when guilds really try to reach out to players and make their experience better.
Edited by CountEdmondDantes on March 26, 2017 5:13PM1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This has probably happened to all of us who run a guild at some point.
I've had it happen 3 times total in 2 guilds.
It's frustrating that we don't have any granular controls, it's either on or off. This needs to change ...
There's no reason for the system to change, it just needs GMs to be more circumspect over who they give withdrawal rights to. It's really that simple.
If you're going on holiday you might want to give a trusted neighbour who you've known for a long time the keys to your house so he can look after the cat while you're away. What you wouldn't want to do is give the keys to the first stranger to walk past your house one morning, yet that is the equivalent to what a lot of GMs are apparently willing to do in ESO. I just don't get it.Edited by Tandor on March 26, 2017 5:12PM0 -
Argruna✭✭✭I'mma stop in here and let you know, as someone who has been an officer for a guilds in 3 different MMOs, if they leave because they didn't have access right at the start? They were doing the exact same thing as this person did. Standing by a banker, asking for a guild and they auto open to see if they have access to the guild bank. The moment they see they don't they leave because they realized your guild is not an easy mark.
Also, you are not treating people as potential criminals by locking the bank to a few. Look at it this way, would you bank at a bank that just lets anyone walk into the vault? No, you'd turn right around and find a different bank. Locking the guild bank is the same way, you are protecting the guild by doing that. It is not that hard for someone that does not have access to type in guild chat, hey may i have this item in the bank?
As for the rest of this, it sounds like guild leaders are awol? Leave both of them. Just leave. Take it from me, if you are an officer they are expecting you to babysit till they come back (if they come back). I've had an awol guild leader in WoW say they had to be offline for a few months and could us officers take up the slack, we agreed, we got the guild kicking, high recruitment, raids going, gold flowing, guild bank looking good. Guild leader came back a day or two before Warlords, the one officer gave him back guild lead....and this 'guild leader' kicked everyone from the guild, took everything from guild bank and sent a lol thanks for getting me ready for the expac whisper to the officer who gave him the reigns back. So just trust me on this, they been absent, or aloof? LEAVE THE GUILD1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This has probably happened to all of us who run a guild at some point.
I've had it happen 3 times total in 2 guilds.
It's frustrating that we don't have any granular controls, it's either on or off. This needs to change ...
There's no reason for the system to change, it just needs GMs to be more circumspect over who they give withdrawal rights to. It's really that simple.
If you're going on holiday you might want to give a trusted neighbour who you've known for a long time the keys to your house so he can look after the cat while you're away. What you wouldn't want to do is give the keys to the first stranger to walk past your house one morning, yet that is the equivalent to what a lot of GMs are apparently willing to do in ESO. I just don't get it.
Even then its still not 100% guaranteed that person wouldn't betray you just have to take the chance a better chance though. I've known more loyal strangers than I have friends in the past.Edited by Cpt_Teemo on March 26, 2017 5:15PM0 -
Lieblingsjunge✭✭✭✭✭
✭You messed up by giving randoms access to the guild bank. That's all there is to it and it's not ZoS' fault and tbf, I got no issue with the guild bank system.
If a player accidentally deposits something that he doesn't want to, he can simply just whisper one of the Officers/leaders of the guild and have them take it out. I've done that a couple of times. I never felt, when I started the game, that guild banks tried to scam me... o.0 Seems to me you're more interested in excusing your own mistake.
It happened - I have no problem with the guild bank system - it is not there to scam people - there is a History to who deposited in the guild bank(so nobody can lie). I don't get what more youwould want.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Floki_Vilgerdarson✭✭✭✭Guild bank sharing does not work well with the current lack of controls. Zenimax has stated that they will not interfere with guild bank issues.0
