[REQUEST] Please nerf RACIAL passives

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

"[REQUEST] Please nerf RACIAL passives"

I guess cap for max magicka / health / stamina would do the trick. For example Redguard could hit max stamina hard cap "sooner" (because of + 10 % bonus to max stamina) than lets say Argonian (that has no bonus to max stamina). Both will be able to hit max stamina either way (+ 64 points to stamina + gear bonus).

As for PvE race choice is marginal. The siltation changes in PvP.
Some races are "Favored" by ZOS. Altmer & Breton for Magicka and Redguard & Imperial for stamina. Other races have unfair "difficulty" added in PvP.
Healing is reduced by half in PvP. So for example Aronians are double nerfed in Cyrodiil. Their passives (Increases your healing done and received by 5%.) is reduced to 2.5% And also their potion passive (whenever you drink a potion you are restored 12% of your Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina) is also reduced by half to 6% recourse recovery.

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.
I'm sick n tired of seeing Altmer/Dunmer for Mag DPS and Khajit for Stam DPS and so on... ( You get the point, right?). It would be great if there were absolutely NO RACIAL PASSIVES.
Nord mages, high elf warriors would be fun, wouldn't it? At this moment, this game has a very streamlined approach. It boasts of diversity in playstyle but I don't really see it. I know 98% of the game can be played whichever way you wish to but really? Who are we kidding? The remaining 2% is what most people do. And what matters to most people actually. The remaining 2% is what makes this game an MMO.

Well we don't want a lot of Reguard mages.

Just saying.

Besides, you can still "play how you want", just don't expect to compete for the leaderboard.

Bombashaman · March 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Lore supports racial passives as well so no

This.

Sinolai · March 2017

I think racial passives are ok and it is nice to have some variety. But every race should have their own passives to make both stamina and magicka build interesting.

theher0not · March 2017

I'd be ok with that. But I would prefer to see them replaced with something anyone can learn(it should still have the same racials as right now. The only difference is that people can swap it to another "racial" line without doing a race change).

zaria · March 2017

Urza1234 wrote: »

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.
I'm sick n tired of seeing Altmer/Dunmer for Mag DPS and Khajit for Stam DPS and so on... ( You get the point, right?). It would be great if there were absolutely NO RACIAL PASSIVES.
Nord mages, high elf warriors would be fun, wouldn't it? At this moment, this game has a very streamlined approach. It boasts of diversity in playstyle but I don't really see it. I know 98% of the game can be played whichever way you wish to but really? Who are we kidding? The remaining 2% is what most people do. And what matters to most people actually. The remaining 2% is what makes this game an MMO.

1. ESO is not actually particularly famous for 'play how you want', this is a misleading argument used by those who for whatever reason dont feel like they can play how they want.

2. Metas exist in any game where you find idiots, and I challenge you to find a game without idiots. Whether its a racial meta or a class meta or a skill meta or whathaveyou, whenever choice is available to players the majority of players will choose not to think for themselves. If this upsets you I suggest you find the nearest dark cave and wait for an apocalypse.

3. Most importantly you are confusing the ability for players to make meaningful choices with the ability for players to make meaningless false choices. The ability of the player to decide they want to deal magical damage is a meaningful choice, the ability of the player to decide to make an Altmer to deal even more magical damage is also a meaningful choice. If Altmer were equivalent to Nords in every way that would be a meaningless choice, the result would be the same and the game would be poorer for it. If the fact that in a game one choice can synergistically make a 2nd choice even better upsets you, then I suggest you go play a game in which you cant make choices (though I'm not sure those exist).

Racial passives is an legacy from then we had soft caps. Back then the +10% of primary resource was irrelevant for endgame.

meta exist as ESO theory crafting is fairly complex, game has basically two types of players, the ones who spam snipe or the ones using an meta build to some degree. Ask an player why they use Julianos or BSW over other sets or why they use sharpened weapons and the answer is that someone told its better.

Same goes for race, most players don't care much about race as long as you can make an decent looking character.
Making it no reason to not make an Altmer for magic user and magic has been seen as better than stamina the last patches.
In short Altmer population will grow until it reach an level there your Altmer magic user get nerfed.

This will put Dumer ahead, they was not far behind anyway, but meta and ascetic made them less popular.
Cycle repeats as system is broken at core.

Tabbycat · March 2017

Nerf classes too. If it is play how you want, I should be able to use any skill I want at any time with no limits.

Saturnana · March 2017

clocksstoppe · March 2017

Sounds to me like you're just salty that you made a bad racial decision.

souravami · March 2017

Racial passives doesn't make or break a build.
One of my guildie has khajiit magdk and can pull 35k+ self buffed single target dps.
So if you're failing measurably with a nord sorc or an argonian stamplar, that's because of your own shortcomings. 7% extra stats won't help you anyway.

WuffyCerulei · March 2017

I vote for more variety of races, mostly a magicka version of the khajiit. Instead of the stam recovery (keep the health recovery) and weapon crit, you get magicka recovery and spell crit. The lore is there to back it up.

zaria · March 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Sounds to me like you're just salty that you made a bad racial decision.

Mark username for QQ treads after upcoming racial nerf / changes.

In short its three positions for the current racial passives.
1) I was lucky or followed meta then selected race. Do no dare to touch it.
2) I was unlucky or have an favorite race not favored by system, remodel or remove it
3) System is broken, remodel or remove,

Recommend everybody to show their races and builds to pocket them into this slots.
Khajiit: magic sorcerer, magic templar, stam night-blade.
Claim 3 as race change to altmer and an +10% dps would not get me above 15k dps on dummy on the two first, last is worse

Enslaved · March 2017

Racial passives... I refuse to play as Redguard, for example. So, my stamina sustain aint that good. And it will go even worse after nerfs Morrowind will bring upon us. I still don't care about Redguards.

Same is with Altmers and Bretons. Most of my magicka chars are Dunmer, and I don't care if it isn't BIS.

Still, I don't want racial passives to be removed. Wouldn't mind slight boost to Nords, since I have a pair of them. I am quite happy with the rest. Dunmers are cool, Khajiit are cool, Saxhleel and Orsimer too. Also have one Imperial. Don't care at all for other races.

seaef · March 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Sounds to me like you're just salty that you made a bad racial decision.

There are no bad racial decisions...at least not any that can't be fixed with 3000 crowns.

idk · March 2017

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.
I'm sick n tired of seeing Altmer/Dunmer for Mag DPS and Khajit for Stam DPS and so on... ( You get the point, right?). It would be great if there were absolutely NO RACIAL PASSIVES.
Nord mages, high elf warriors would be fun, wouldn't it? At this moment, this game has a very streamlined approach. It boasts of diversity in playstyle but I don't really see it. I know 98% of the game can be played whichever way you wish to but really? Who are we kidding? The remaining 2% is what most people do. And what matters to most people actually. The remaining 2% is what makes this game an MMO.

You chose the wrong game if you do not want racial passives. Even when they reworked racial passives in 2016 they did not nerf them.

Further, 100% of the game can be played with any race for any build type. I have seen magika builds using kahjiits and wood elfs..

Are they as efficient, not, but they do just fine.

emily3989 · March 2017

I have a Bosmer magblade, an orc magDK, and a Nord magplar.

Ideal races? no, don't care, I originally made the toons one way, ended up having more fun another way. Whatever.

If people are kicking you our of groups or guilds because of your race, then I suggest playing with other people.

Shadow_Viper_vX · March 2017

Racial passives to do not nerfed.

If you want everyone to be the same, just go play Minecraft RPG...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · March 2017

Vizier wrote: »

There are 8 character slots. You can play how you want within that limitation. Pick any race you want. Racial passives have always been a part of Elder Scrolls games so I'm not sure what the problem is. Do I ever wish I picked a different race for a character I rolled...sure, BUT, that just means I have to choose more wisely, learn to adapt OR, roll a new character, which I have done. And now we even have the option of purchasing a race change. While I sympathize with your sentiment I think I prefer the challenge of picking the right race for the job if min/max is my objective.

This is a classic case of false equivalence. In old games your race would change your change your starting stats at the end you could match any another race. You just can't match the stats of min/max races with the same build you get out classed. Say what you want but the 8-12% moredamage really matters in endgame.

Bam_Bam · March 2017

How about s tfu and leave the game as is?

usmcjdking · March 2017

The only issue is the damage amps from Orc, Dunmer, Altmer and Khajiit (to a degree). These amps have a tendancy to influence DPS well beyond the means of any other race to the point other races become flat out non-competitive. Their dmg passives need to be reworked into something else although Khajiit is arguably fine where it is.

SydneyGrey · March 2017

Oh my God will people please stop posting "nerf everything" threads.

LadyDestiny · March 2017

In a way I kind of agree with the Op. Everytime their is an update or stupid change, all of a sudden your race isn't good for the class you are playing. I am kinda sick of altmer everything and I am just seeing that happen with warden now on a lot of youtube from testing.. Its all going to be "you need high elf to be the bestest you can be"........again. For the love of nirn, I want to be able to play a wood elf warden, not a high elf with a stick up their bu*t that hates anything not altmer race. All I can say is marketing......screw up the classes, nerf this, boost that, oh look race change in crown store=profit. How kind of you Zos......

Tandor · March 2017

Firerock2 wrote: »

I always hear that "play how you want" phrase. Where did it come from? That's not what the game is. However, I'm in total agreement. Racial passive were a poor idea. You should just be able to assign whatever group of 3 passive to any race, for FREE

That phrase, just like everything else ever said by ZOS, has been totally misunderstood and misquoted by critics of the game.

It actually comes from the back of the original box, where the actual quote is:-

"Play the way you like - adventure alone or together with friends. The choice is yours to make."

It's nothing to do with character creation or balance, although I don't agree with the figures given by the OP so far as such things are concerned. He says 98% of the game can be done how you want, but that it's the other 2% that most people do. I think that's nonsense, it's more like 98% of people playing how they want and 2% playing how they need to because that's what the very small minority who min-max obsessively around leaderboards etc do - which is cool, I have no criticism of that at all.

The racial passives are fine, it's a role-playing game and every race and class should be different. The few who feel the need to have the best build (until an update changes it all again, such is the evolving nature of MMORPGs) are free to do so, while everyone else can opt for whatever build they fancy with many of them covering a whole variety of builds across different characters. It's working as intended, and doesn't need fixing. Everything else comes down to player skill.

Runschei · March 2017

NO! Leave the lizard swimspeed bonus! Don't change it or my dps will be an epic fail

Marktoneth3 · March 2017

they already have race change token for sale

I doubt they will touch race passive anymore

Cherryblossom · March 2017

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.
I'm sick n tired of seeing Altmer/Dunmer for Mag DPS and Khajit for Stam DPS and so on... ( You get the point, right?). It would be great if there were absolutely NO RACIAL PASSIVES.
Nord mages, high elf warriors would be fun, wouldn't it? At this moment, this game has a very streamlined approach. It boasts of diversity in playstyle but I don't really see it. I know 98% of the game can be played whichever way you wish to but really? Who are we kidding? The remaining 2% is what most people do. And what matters to most people actually. The remaining 2% is what makes this game an MMO.

@Erekon
How does this stop you playing how you like?

Just because others want to maximise their stats, it doesn't stop you from doing what you want to do.

Euant · March 2017

Yeah I'm tired of ZoS not keeping to the original material! Everyone knows there were no racial passives in the Elder Scrolls games before now. It's like they don't even play their own game. Before you know it they're gonna add MORE racials but put them behind the crown crates. #lr2designZoS

zaria · March 2017

Marktoneth3 wrote: »

they already have race change token for sale

I doubt they will touch race passive anymore

As the Altmer population grows this becomes more and more likely.
Any guide recommend Altmer for any sort of magic user.
At some threshold they will nerf, question is then, some of the later updates this year is likely.

Dumer is just an fraction behind and as you say they have race change token for sale.

However at this point it would be smarter to redo the system rather than doing an Altmer only nerf who would feel unfair.

The_Smilemeister · March 2017

ESO has racial passives. You know what other games do? Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind, etc.When was the last time you heard a player from one of these games complain about racial passives?

Racial passives just essentially make it easier for a player to builf a specific build. Even if you don't want to go for that specific build, you can still make builds work with any race. Just because a race isn't ideal for that build, it doesn't make it impossible to accomplish.

You know what I love most about nerf posts? All they seek to do is just dumb down content because they can't be bothered to L2P. People like you are so narrow minded that you don't care about the negative impacts of what you ask for.

Get rid of racial passives. Yeah. Get rid of customisation too. Remove any practical reason to choose races as well. Remove unique play styles? Yes please!

I think the name of your post should be renamed. How does this sound?

Generic Nerf Post: Please Zenimax! Listen To My Feelings And Not Player Base Feedback!

Duiwel · March 2017

Dear OP I did not know you CANNOT select any class once you pick a certain race?

Just because you might have slightly less benefits does not mean you are blocked from makign the choice.

Thus you are NOT obligated to do anything and you ARE free to PLAY HOW YOU WANT.

Your move