TheShadowScout wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Lore supports racial passives as well so no

Agreed.
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How-ever...
...lore does not say what way they should take. It only says that some races are naturally "gifted" warriors, or in handling magica... but not exactly how m uch that realy counts for in the face of the whole "nature vs. nurture" debate when you add lifelong training into the mix as well...

The best suggestion I found was to change the current attribute-percentile passives into flat amounts. Meaning they would have a much greater effect for lower level characters, but not nearly as much in the endgame.

Another good idea would be to add some ceiling to attribute effect again - races with a bonus would then just reach that ceiling sooner, and not have an eternal advantage over everyone else...

Racial difference in the real world are far less pronounced than in the TES world. Yet, the majority of professional football (american) and basketball players are African-American. Basic biology supports racial passives :P

No...and for your information I do in fact like waffles better than pancakes!

Floki_Vilgerdarson wrote: »

I loved Skyrim where any race could do anything.

If you really want diversity in builds, let us select 3 skill lines from any of the classes and combine them to make our custom toons.

Thank You,

Floki

If they could somehow make it balanced and somehow make cherrypicking racial passives along with it .. balanced.. then it would be really cool.

But it wouldn't be Elder Scrolls anymore in my book. Even Skyrim stuck to the "racial differences" etc..

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.

So do classes and not having enough skill points to learn everything.

Welcome to Not Quite Elder Scrolls Online.

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.
I'm sick n tired of seeing Altmer/Dunmer for Mag DPS and Khajit for Stam DPS and so on... ( You get the point, right?). It would be great if there were absolutely NO RACIAL PASSIVES.
Nord mages, high elf warriors would be fun, wouldn't it? At this moment, this game has a very streamlined approach. It boasts of diversity in playstyle but I don't really see it. I know 98% of the game can be played whichever way you wish to but really? Who are we kidding? The remaining 2% is what most people do. And what matters to most people actually. The remaining 2% is what makes this game an MMO.

I'd rather see some slight buffs to Nord, Imperial, Orc, Argonian, Breton and change Khajiit Carnage passive to increase Spell Crit as well as Weapon Crit.

A big part of the fun in this game is coming up with different build ideas and trying them out. If there were no racial passives, it would be impossible to make some crazy build like 80k health imperial or khajiit 4k health regen build etc

For most builds overall, Altmer and Redguard have kinda towered over the other races since the removal of softcaps (in PVP at least). Would be nice to see more interesting options by buffing the other races, but I'd hate to see racial passives disappear entirely.
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No reason to nerf the nerfs thus far in three years have made the game worse not better. People that play how they want get rekt and are the ones that come to the forum... asking for Nerfs. People that play to be competitive... usually will do what they must.

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.
I'm sick n tired of seeing Altmer/Dunmer for Mag DPS and Khajit for Stam DPS and so on... ( You get the point, right?). It would be great if there were absolutely NO RACIAL PASSIVES.
Nord mages, high elf warriors would be fun, wouldn't it? At this moment, this game has a very streamlined approach. It boasts of diversity in playstyle but I don't really see it. I know 98% of the game can be played whichever way you wish to but really? Who are we kidding? The remaining 2% is what most people do. And what matters to most people actually. The remaining 2% is what makes this game an MMO.

Wouldn't mind this actually. Right now at least half of the races are weak with maybe 2 considered viable as top dps races.

Altmer and dunmer for magicka, redguard and khajiit for stamina. Everything else is meh.

In skyrim every race was viable for every role, just xp gain was affected by racial passives in certain skill lines, but if you leveled to max, your were at the top.

Skyrim balance was even worse than ESO. Example: breton magic resistance, altmer magicka boost and orc berserker rage.

ehm play how you want is no different then dress like you want
Nord Sorc = Tutu with fedora

No races, passives, skills, attributes, enchantments or gear of any kind. Make everyone level 1 with a stick... also get rid of animation cancelling

DemonNinja wrote: »

Racial passives are fine. Stop crying.

And your reaction then Altmer get the nerf hammer because they becoming to common.
Suddenly Dumer get better.
Your reaction.
Reaction then this repeats and Dumer get nerfed?

The problem is not the 0.1% aiming for the leaderboard, its the 50% following guides for builds.
Most who are not very causal uses guides for builds.
And no, nerfing it 50% over the board will not help this problem as the guides will still recommend race.

Yes I agree that gear is far more important and player skill is multiple times more important again.
Problem is simply that system is broken at core and an leftover from then they had soft caps.

And no I don't expect the current team to be able to do more than nerf races who become to popular.

Leave the game OP, if you cannt complete content on whatever character you have, the onus is on you, not the game.

Erekon wrote: »

In my opinion, racial passives defeat the sole purpose of "play how you want" which is what ESO is famous for.
I'm sick n tired of seeing Altmer/Dunmer for Mag DPS and Khajit for Stam DPS and so on... ( You get the point, right?). It would be great if there were absolutely NO RACIAL PASSIVES.
Nord mages, high elf warriors would be fun, wouldn't it? At this moment, this game has a very streamlined approach. It boasts of diversity in playstyle but I don't really see it. I know 98% of the game can be played whichever way you wish to but really? Who are we kidding? The remaining 2% is what most people do. And what matters to most people actually. The remaining 2% is what makes this game an MMO.

1. ESO is not actually particularly famous for 'play how you want', this is a misleading argument used by those who for whatever reason dont feel like they can play how they want.

2. Metas exist in any game where you find idiots, and I challenge you to find a game without idiots. Whether its a racial meta or a class meta or a skill meta or whathaveyou, whenever choice is available to players the majority of players will choose not to think for themselves. If this upsets you I suggest you find the nearest dark cave and wait for an apocalypse.

3. Most importantly you are confusing the ability for players to make meaningful choices with the ability for players to make meaningless false choices. The ability of the player to decide they want to deal magical damage is a meaningful choice, the ability of the player to decide to make an Altmer to deal even more magical damage is also a meaningful choice. If Altmer were equivalent to Nords in every way that would be a meaningless choice, the result would be the same and the game would be poorer for it. If the fact that in a game one choice can synergistically make a 2nd choice even better upsets you, then I suggest you go play a game in which you cant make choices (though I'm not sure those exist).

Big NO