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Am I a bad person?
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I would be okey with it if you told me why you will kick me and i would wish you all the best of luck .....but i will be sad tho0 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CosmicSoul wrote: »
106 trying to do vCoH2 is suicide.
It's not about cp. I mean, in this case low cp likely indicates lack of experience which is what got him, but for example shortly after cp system launched me and a friend 2 manned vet CoH2 with barely having 200 cp each. It was actually _really_ challenging back then and we had to come up with some strats for last boss but it was totally doable. We also did hardmode eventually(albeit not on our first try/run).
To OP, firstly I'd say you aren't really a bad person given you ask this, in fact this alone makes you a pretty nice one I'd say:)
Secondly though, that fight should've been totally possible with just 3 people. I mean it's obviously not your obligation to literally carry #4 through there, but mechanics wise there's no reason why you couldn't do it with #4 dead 100% of the fight. So I'm sorry to say it and really don't want to sound rude but if his performance was causing whole team to wipe(it's not one of those fights where one person can wipe whole group like on Planar for example, maybe only if it's a tank failing with ads), it sounds like he wasn't the only one underperforming
Thirdly, what exactly was it that was getting you killed? You mean killing ads in hm after boss picks up the sword? This one can be a bit tricky but not too much, have tank drag them to the centre and then everyone drop their ultis and some dots on them, this way they'll keep melting as you're cc'd and likely be gone by the time you can get up
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✭✭cmetzger93 wrote: »We were going Vet CoH1 and we're on the last boss and a DPS Templar cp100 was not having the DPS to kill the adds so I kicked him and he sent me many hateful messages and I told him how bad I felt because he was there up until the very last boss when we kept wiping. I feel bad but we eventually succeeded after kicking him. Has this ever happened to you guys?
First off you as the leader need to do things that benefits the other 3 players in your group. Those things can often result in hurting other peoples feelings, and unfortunately it needs to happens from time to time. The one that should feel bad in all of this is ZOS for even allowing this to ever happen in the first place. To play vet you should at least be 200CP or more.... That's just in my opinion.
The CP100 Templar should of been playing the dungeon on normal settings if his DPS is severely low to the point where he didn't even have the DPS to handle adds.
Should you feel bad? Not at all. If you don't have the DPS then you shouldn't be doing vet mode. It's only common curiosity for the other players whom you're about to waste their time on.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Did you tell him there's no I in TEAM ?
It depends. I write it as TIEIAIMI.0 -
Jitterbug✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Did you tell him there's no I in TEAM ?
Also, there is no I in bacon. Food for thought...0 -
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Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭I always feel bad for kicking a player because they weren't 'good enough'. So I'd say you were a little mean. Remove rude/obnoxious players, sure, but newer players that aren't quite managing? I think it's up to us to help and support them as best as possible, sometimes it's just a bit of encouragement and shared knowledge that makes all the difference.
Not true at all. And I wish people would stop saying such things.No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
The other week I healed a group through veteran City of Ash II, and my character was the only one over 300. I was sceptical in the beginning but we breezed through the dungeon up to Valkyn, and only took twice to complete the Undaunted Challenge.
It is the player, not the number next to their character's name that is important. Always has been, always will be.Edited by Rev Rielle on March 23, 2017 9:01AMIf you can be anything, be kind.4 -
Hand_Bacon✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Did you tell him there's no I in TEAM ?
Also, there is no I in bacon. Food for thought...
There is no I in team, but there is a me...somehow also applies to bacon.#AlmostGood@ESO0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cmetzger93 wrote: »We were going Vet CoH1 and we're on the last boss and a DPS Templar cp100 was not having the DPS to kill the adds so I kicked him and he sent me many hateful messages and I told him how bad I felt because he was there up until the very last boss when we kept wiping. I feel bad but we eventually succeeded after kicking him. Has this ever happened to you guys?
If you didn't talk about it first and try to solve it with them in the group yes.
You shouldn't just kick players without discussing first how they might improve and clear the boss, no one learns from being kicked with no information or help.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
Yeah no. DLC dungeons perhaps.
But if you have to wait until you have 400 CP to complete vet dungeons then you have a build and/or rotation problem.
There are some dungeons that will cause lower CP players some issues, but requiring 400CP is unnecessary.paulsimonps wrote: »vCoH 1 is super easy and really if you couldn't carry him then you need to work on a lot yourself. Also what adds? vCoH last boss doesn't have adds. Did you mean vCoH2 or vCoA1? If you meant vCoA1 then my response still stands, if it was vCoH2 I can get it cause it could be a lot, but really one DPS should be able to kill 2 ghosts with no problem at all and so again, as long as he survives then the rest is on you. I can get the whole not pulling their weight thing, but if he came all the way to the last boss then yea your kind of bad person for kicking him.
Right seeing how ppl are running Delta's zero cp vet maelstrom build now cp is whatever and if a group of 600 CP players can't carry a low CP too then. Seems like you and your group need to work on your own buildsEdited by Unfadingsilence on March 23, 2017 2:18PM1 -
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✭Knootewoot wrote: »If you first kicked and then explained: Yes.
If you first explained and then in agreement with other members kicked: Less
Also CP does not say everything. I could have over 9000 CP but if I have put them all in useless skills like picking daisies or something how would one know?
You can only have 3600......0 -
jakeedmundson✭✭✭✭✭No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
Well that's not true...
I was doing vet trials before 400cp and i think i was flawless in vma before that too.
CP isn't THAT big of a difference.
I actually tested it on a target dummy last night (on accident).... since you brought it up.
I race changed to stamina from magicka on my dk. Forgot to switch my CP.
with essentially ZERO cp in stamina assistance... i hit close to 22k- 23k.
After i put it back on i was over 30k like usual.
The point is... with the same gear and same rotation you can still break 20k dps regardless of cp. 20k dps is enough for vet trials (besides vmol) - you might struggle a bit but you can get through them. Vet dungeons i would be more than happy to see around 15k from random dps in a pug.CP690
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djdc1234✭✭✭CosmicSoul wrote: »cmetzger93 wrote: »We were going Vet CoH1 and we're on the last boss and a DPS Templar cp100 was not having the DPS to kill the adds so I kicked him and he sent me many hateful messages and I told him how bad I felt because he was there up until the very last boss when we kept wiping. I feel bad but we eventually succeeded after kicking him. Has this ever happened to you guys?
No your not, you had to do something otherwise the entire group would have to give up, but you probably should of told him before the kick, anyways this is far better then what most people do.
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raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭why isnt it a poll?
yes you are a bad person.
i would keep tanking, keep healing him, keep rezzing him, refuse to let him lie on the ground, keep restarting the fight aftet we wipe, and repeat it til the weak dps is finally fed up and leave on his own accord.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dps is the most common role chosen by players, but one that the fewest players do well at.
Ive been playing since pc launch, I'm relatively high cp, and I'm an incredibly good tank and healer, but even all that experience doesn't mean I can pull 30k dps. My best damage dealer tops out at 20k right now. I know that isn't good enough for most vet dungeons, especially dlc dungeons, so I don't run them as dps.
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jakeedmundson✭✭✭✭✭Dps is the most common role chosen by players, but one that the fewest players do well at.
Ive been playing since pc launch, I'm relatively high cp, and I'm an incredibly good tank and healer, but even all that experience doesn't mean I can pull 30k dps. My best damage dealer tops out at 20k right now. I know that isn't good enough for most vet dungeons, especially dlc dungeons, so I don't run them as dps.
20k is more than enough for every vet dungeon. It's borderline for the older vet trials. Don't sell yourself short.CP690
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✭Nothing wrong with removing the weak link. Unless you kicked them by stating "Did you know there's no U in TEAM? That's because YOU are out of this one! xDDDD"
It would have been nicer to sit there for hours trying to teach them a rotation, stopping to leave and craft them gear and food and... I mean, I've done this before. A few times, when I had a lot of free time and the person seemed to be earnestly learning and nice themselves.
You don't have to be gandhi to be a good person, if someone's performance is preventing you from completion and the other members of your group agree, then a kick it is.
o-oh I mean uhh, you didn't spend hours of your time waiting for a person to learn how to play mid-dungeon? OMG u-ur some sort of fascist!!! /s
@Unfadingsilence Whoever said the rest of the group was cp600? or even high cp? Or packing a solo-ready build at all? It's no one's obligation to carry other people through content.Unfadingsilence wrote: »No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
Yeah no. DLC dungeons perhaps.
But if you have to wait until you have 400 CP to complete vet dungeons then you have a build and/or rotation problem.
There are some dungeons that will cause lower CP players some issues, but requiring 400CP is unnecessary.paulsimonps wrote: »vCoH 1 is super easy and really if you couldn't carry him then you need to work on a lot yourself. Also what adds? vCoH last boss doesn't have adds. Did you mean vCoH2 or vCoA1? If you meant vCoA1 then my response still stands, if it was vCoH2 I can get it cause it could be a lot, but really one DPS should be able to kill 2 ghosts with no problem at all and so again, as long as he survives then the rest is on you. I can get the whole not pulling their weight thing, but if he came all the way to the last boss then yea your kind of bad person for kicking him.
Right seeing how ppl are running Delta's zero cp vet maelstrom build now cp is whatever and if a group of 600 CP players can't carry a low CP too then. Seems like you and your group need to work on your own buildsEdited by KochDerDamonen on March 23, 2017 4:12PMIf you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »Nothing wrong with removing the weak link. Unless you kicked them by stating "Did you know there's no U in TEAM? That's because YOU are out of this one! xDDDD"
It would have been nicer to sit there for hours trying to teach them a rotation, stopping to leave and craft them gear and food and... I mean, I've done this before. A few times, when I had a lot of free time and the person seemed to be earnestly learning and nice themselves.
You don't have to be gandhi to be a good person, if someone's performance is preventing you from completion and the other members of your group agree, then a kick it is.
o-oh I mean uhh, you didn't spend hours of your time waiting for a person to learn how to play mid-dungeon? OMG u-ur some sort of fascist!!! /s
@Unfadingsilence Whoever said the rest of the group was cp600? or even high cp? Or packing a solo-ready build at all? It's no one's obligation to carry other people through content.Unfadingsilence wrote: »No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
Yeah no. DLC dungeons perhaps.
But if you have to wait until you have 400 CP to complete vet dungeons then you have a build and/or rotation problem.
There are some dungeons that will cause lower CP players some issues, but requiring 400CP is unnecessary.paulsimonps wrote: »vCoH 1 is super easy and really if you couldn't carry him then you need to work on a lot yourself. Also what adds? vCoH last boss doesn't have adds. Did you mean vCoH2 or vCoA1? If you meant vCoA1 then my response still stands, if it was vCoH2 I can get it cause it could be a lot, but really one DPS should be able to kill 2 ghosts with no problem at all and so again, as long as he survives then the rest is on you. I can get the whole not pulling their weight thing, but if he came all the way to the last boss then yea your kind of bad person for kicking him.
Right seeing how ppl are running Delta's zero cp vet maelstrom build now cp is whatever and if a group of 600 CP players can't carry a low CP too then. Seems like you and your group need to work on your own builds
Yet they used a low CP player to get to the last boss just to kick them... Sounds like that group needs to L2P with what they got. I mean really if you pug group it to the last boss then get it over with. It seems to me they need to fix there build since they could not kill the last boss so they kicked the low lvl out and found someone with better deeps then all of them to get them past that last boss lol that it seems like 3 of them got carried on the last boss by the other DPS they picked upEdited by Unfadingsilence on March 23, 2017 5:23PM1 -
SolidusPrime✭✭✭✭No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
I have completed every single Vet dungeon and I am only CP 312. Started around 200. There was no carrying involved, as I am the healer.
Sorry, but you're just wrong about that.Edited by SolidusPrime on March 23, 2017 5:27PM0 -
Lore_lai✭✭✭✭✭SolidusPrime wrote: »
I'll assume you're referring to Soldius because I agree with you, vet dungeons are perfectly doable with low CP.
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Cêltic421✭✭✭✭Nah if he was trying to be a 1 man army and not doing anything to help the group out than he should just join his own dungeon and go at it solo. I
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VinyParsley2016✭✭✭✭Dark_Aether wrote: »
So what? It doesn't prove you are good. We all know CP matters, low CP sucks.0
