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Am I a bad person?
cmetzger93
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We were going Vet CoH2 and we're on the last boss and a DPS Templar cp100 was not having the DPS to kill the adds so I kicked him and he sent me many hateful messages and I told him how bad I felt because he was there up until the very last boss when we kept wiping. I feel bad but we eventually succeeded after kicking him. Has this ever happened to you guys?
Edited by cmetzger93 on March 23, 2017 9:42PM 0
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did you tell him there's no I in TEAM ? Because if you said that you're a bad person . Way over used lifetip .
But if you were polite and explained why there is only two options . Fail as a team and give up for improve the team , then no ... You are just a practical player .3 -
cmetzger93✭✭✭✭✭That's exactly what I did. I tried my best to explain it to him but he was just upset and not listening to reason. Can't say I blame him. I would be upset to if that had happened to me but at least we ended up beating the boss.0
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dpencil✭✭✭✭I would have discussed it with the group and tried to reach an agreement together. I've had a number of pug groups where someone was underperforming and they knew it was them that was keeping us from clearing. Respectfully discussing the situation with them, even if they don't agree and still get vote kicked, at least helps them understand why they were kicked.7 -
LordGavus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had similar problems. If the group wipes at the same point or from the same issue multiple times I bring it up in chat.
In your case I would say that the group doesn't have enough dps to burn the adds.
Then suggest some solutions. Perhaps more aoe can be used, specific skills, some players doing mechanics wrong.
Sometimes this just doesn't help, or the group is a dud. Then you're left to fail as a team or kick the weakest link.
It can suck, but at least the kicked player should realise, after the discussion, what they need to improve.4 -
Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a tough situation to be in. Nobody likes to be kicked, especially once they've made it all the way to the last boss. If you can't complete the dungeon though there's not much else you can do besides disbanding or wiping until you get the boss down.0 -
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disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Depends if you tried to communicate before the kick. My tank was kicked out of there once on the last boss, no-one told me why.
On a later run through, I was asked to taunt the adds so that they stayed alive and we could go for the gold key. Never realized that was a strategy and may have been why I was kicked previously. Pretty hard to follow a plan if no-one tells you what it is.Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.9 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vCoH 1 is super easy and really if you couldn't carry him then you need to work on a lot yourself. Also what adds? vCoH last boss doesn't have adds. Did you mean vCoH2 or vCoA1? If you meant vCoA1 then my response still stands, if it was vCoH2 I can get it cause it could be a lot, but really one DPS should be able to kill 2 ghosts with no problem at all and so again, as long as he survives then the rest is on you. I can get the whole not pulling their weight thing, but if he came all the way to the last boss then yea your kind of bad person for kicking him.19 -
kyle.wilson✭✭✭✭✭
✭That is one of those questions that have only one answer.
Yes, you are a bad person. A good person would never consider needing to ask that question.5 -
DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭cmetzger93 wrote: »We were going Vet CoH1 and we're on the last boss and a DPS Templar cp100 was not having the DPS to kill the adds so I kicked him and he sent me many hateful messages and I told him how bad I felt because he was there up until the very last boss when we kept wiping. I feel bad but we eventually succeeded after kicking him. Has this ever happened to you guys?
No your not, you had to do something otherwise the entire group would have to give up, but you probably should of told him before the kick, anyways this is far better then what most people do.0 -
DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭I would have discussed it with the group and tried to reach an agreement together. I've had a number of pug groups where someone was underperforming and they knew it was them that was keeping us from clearing. Respectfully discussing the situation with them, even if they don't agree and still get vote kicked, at least helps them understand why they were kicked.
Exactly it saves the trouble if someone whispering back and you having to put them on ignore it is easier and is the right thing to do. I do not get what is so hard for others to understand about this.0 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If the team can't finish it over and over and there is a weak link that trying different things each whipe then yes they need to be kicked. Proof was you added new person and finished it no issue. Would be more polite to say one more try then we are going to ask you to leave this give the option for them to go. If they don't go then yes vote to kick1 -
cmetzger93✭✭✭✭✭Yea sorry it was vCoH2 not 1 but yeah I definitely should have let him know first but he had died about 100 times during the course of the dungeon so he really wasn't pulling his weight. I guess I'll chalk it up as a lesson learned. I would never intend to be rude to someone I just did what I felt was best for the whole group.0
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SaRuZ✭✭✭✭✭CosmicSoul wrote: »
Depends on how smooth you want it to go, I cleared vCoA2 with only 4 whipes on Skoria yesterday. Had a mid 200's healer, mid 300's tank & 560 DPS. We struggled but man did that victory feel good.
Same with trials, sometimes there just isn't enough DPS, I've seen a 600 tank get one-shotted in nHC. A guild and I took 3 hours to get to the mage in nAA last night just to dissolve. CP + Skill matters imo. I didn't run vet dungeons until 400 and I won't touch Vet trials until 600. The end game content doesn't need a nerf, it just needs to be exactly that, end game. 106 trying to do vCoH2 is suicide.Edited by SaRuZ on March 23, 2017 4:13AM3 -
LordGavus✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
Yeah no. DLC dungeons perhaps.
But if you have to wait until you have 400 CP to complete vet dungeons then you have a build and/or rotation problem.
There are some dungeons that will cause lower CP players some issues, but requiring 400CP is unnecessary.7 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just call it.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭It sucks to be in that position. But at that level, you dont have your passives filled out, maybe still trying to find a comfortable dungeon build probably not wearing any gold gear and probably several blue pieces. He could be a good player but at the level you just dont do the DPS. I know this cause i have played on all 3 platforms and started from scratch 3 times. The difference is ridiculous with CP and getting your gear right.Edited by flguy147ub17_ESO on March 23, 2017 4:29AM0
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DragonBound✭✭✭✭✭CosmicSoul wrote: »
Depends on how smooth you want it to go, I cleared vCoA2 with only 4 whipes on Skoria yesterday. Had a mid 200's healer, mid 300's tank & 560 DPS. We struggled but man did that victory feel good.
Same with trials, sometimes there just isn't enough DPS, I've seen a 600 tank get one-shotted in nHC. A guild and I took 3 hours to get to the mage in nAA last night just to dissolve. CP + Skill matters imo. I didn't run vet dungeons until 400 and I won't touch Vet trials until 600. The end game content doesn't need a nerf, it just needs to be exactly that, end game. 106 trying to do vCoH2 is suicide.
In my opinion the game gets stale if you can never do vet dungeons until your cp 400, it takes a while you wanna start getting gear before then.0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Really nobody should be running vet dungeons before cp160. Run normal first and level up before tackling vet, otherwise you're just being a burden on the rest of the team.PS4 / NA
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Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they are bad they don't belong in vet dungeons, he can go do normals to get a little more experience with his class and CP then come back to vet stuff.
There are adds on the last boss of CoH 1? I thought it was just the 2 bossesEdited by Ghost-Shot on March 23, 2017 5:29AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No. Stop doing vet dungeons before 400 CP. You are wasting three other person's time.
To solo vet dungeons, maybe. If someone knows how to play the game well enough, no CP is required at all.
OP: I think it was harsh. I might feel the same if I was in your position, but that is why I choose not to use the group finder. I think that if one chooses to do vet dungeons via the group finder, you owe it to the other people to try very hard to make it work.
But the same goes for him: if you use the group finder, you should be prepared to be kicked for not very good reasons -- at least based on what I read here.
To me, it doesn't sound like the CP100 guy was the only problem.4 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you first kicked and then explained: Yes.
If you first explained and then in agreement with other members kicked: Less
Also CP does not say everything. I could have over 9000 CP but if I have put them all in useless skills like picking daisies or something how would one know?٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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Alot of tanks forget the adds. This a must on final bosses. Remember you are more then a meat shield.disintegr8 wrote: »Depends if you tried to communicate before the kick. My tank was kicked out of there once on the last boss, no-one told me why.
On a later run through, I was asked to taunt the adds so that they stayed alive and we could go for the gold key. Never realized that was a strategy and may have been why I was kicked previously. Pretty hard to follow a plan if no-one tells you what it is.1 -
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✭cmetzger93 wrote: »We were going Vet CoH1 and we're on the last boss and a DPS Templar cp100 was not having the DPS to kill the adds so I kicked him and he sent me many hateful messages and I told him how bad I felt because he was there up until the very last boss when we kept wiping. I feel bad but we eventually succeeded after kicking him. Has this ever happened to you guys?
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