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[Homestead] Magika DK PvP Build Discussion
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Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Does anyone still wear grothdar? I was wondering if it still put any pressure on thr opponent. The reason I ask is because i can't seem to get a heavy skoria shoulder piece nor a sharpened bsw sword but can go 5 heavy 2 light by using seducer sword and board and two heavy grothdar with jewelry of bsw and two light of bsw.0 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just switched from grothdar to skoria and noticed a big difference, even within a day. Im alteration mastery and bsw and tri stat glyph. The build is decent in small and large group but I need a lot of work in 1 vs 1.
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Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Emmagoldman wrote: »I just switched from grothdar to skoria and noticed a big difference, even within a day. Im alteration mastery and bsw and tri stat glyph. The build is decent in small and large group but I need a lot of work in 1 vs 1.
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apostate9✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).
Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.
Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later
. I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said 
As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.
However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro
@Moglijuana @Sharee
Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?
I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.
Yep. I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.
@Moglijuana
If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?
Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)
The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.EldritchPenguin wrote: »
Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).
Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.
Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later. I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.
However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro
@Moglijuana @Sharee
Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?
I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.
Yep. I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.
Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.
What about WMK? I'm using it on a mageblade and seems to work nicely.
I had a bunch from back when, so I threw it on with 5 pc Black Rose. Maybe not optimal, but nice. Predictable damage, good stat bonuses.
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EldritchPenguin✭✭✭✭✭
I used Grothdarr for a while. It's excellent if you're fighting multiple opponents. It also deals far more total damage than Skoria, so that's something to keep in mind.Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »Does anyone still wear grothdar? I was wondering if it still put any pressure on thr opponent. The reason I ask is because i can't seem to get a heavy skoria shoulder piece nor a sharpened bsw sword but can go 5 heavy 2 light by using seducer sword and board and two heavy grothdar with jewelry of bsw and two light of bsw.
The advantage of Skoria is single-target burst, which mDKs generally lack. The advantage of Grothdarr is total damage and AoE, and they can synergize with it quite well with Talons, Engulfing Flames, and more Spellweave procs.Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Vaynothah Sailenar - Dark Elf Templar
Sherivah Telvanni - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Nephiah Telvanni - Dark Elf Nightblade2 -
Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is running straight up 7 piece heavy armor with Black Rose better than doing 5/1/1? It never actually occurred to me that you miss out on a lot of the 5 piece bonus if you only run 5 heavy.PC NA
~Currently taking a break from the game until my DK can become something more than just a crafter~1 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭I felt skoria is better as pvp is so mobile. If someone was stationary, then grothar would do more dps as a dot, even with talons, your looking at a cc break and someone rolling out of the dmg. I dont feel that is reliable and prefer burst.
I would imagine with br, you are boosting constitution. So going 7might be betterEdited by Emmagoldman on March 23, 2017 3:27PM0 -
caperon✭✭✭✭I use 2 skoria, 5 ratlecage, 5 bsw with 5 light 2 heavy. Damage is fine, rattlecage is very useful so i save 1 skill slot and use tristat potions. Skoria surprised me with the amount of killing blows i get from it, damage is decent even without crit. I use 2 spell cost reduction glyphs and 1 spell damage.0
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Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Here lately i have been running blackrose skoria and trainee with witchmothers food. I get around 17.5 k stamina 29 k health and 38 k magicka. I find builds i face that can heal well i cant kill anyways. I have been running reverb bash some and it really helps.0
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Sky_WK✭✭✭✭Would I be severally missing out on sustain with sun/rattlecage?i do not read replies. still playing stamdk for some reason.0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭So i have been running a weird setup lately. 41 k magicka 21 k stamina 27 k health. 5/1/1. So obviously with these stats im going to lack damage. But it is made up for with max magicka and im running reverb bash which helps kill speed tremendously. I have the stamina to do it. I dont have problems with sustain because im running sustain sets.0
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Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Don't tar and feather me, but:
Has anyone thought of running
-2 Valkyn Skoria
-5 Heavy Clever Alchemist (782 spell damage)
-5 Burning Spellweave (729 spell damage)
And using "Ghastly Eye Bowl" or "Witch Mother's Potent Brew" as their food/drink?
Currently, I run 5 heavy Kag, 5 BSW, and 2 Valkyn with no sustain issues. I also use max health and magicka food. Since Kag only gives me 129 magicka recovery, technically speaking, the above setup would be much better. Ghastly Eye Bowl gives 4256 Max Magicka and 425 Magicka recovery.Edited by Savos_Saren on March 26, 2017 2:51PMWant to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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EldritchPenguin✭✭✭✭✭
Now that you mention it, I'm kinda tempted to try it. You'll be a beefcake with those health bonuses from Alchemist, and your damage will be astronomical. I think I'd personally prefer to use Bloodspawn instead of Skoria on that build, since the extra resistances will synergize handily with the high health of the build, and it'll give you really good sustain as well. And since you're already running two primarily offensive sets, I think you'd probably be all set in the damage department, so you might not really need Skoria.Don't tar and feather me, but:
Has anyone thought of running
-2 Valkyn Skoria
-5 Heavy Clever Alchemist
-5 Burning Spellweave
And using "Ghastly Eye Bowl" or "Witch Mother's Potent Brew" as their food/drink?
Currently, I run 5 heavy Kag, 5 BSW, and 2 Valkyn with no sustain issues. I also use max health and magicka food. Since Kag only gives me 129 magicka recovery, technically speaking, the above setup would be much better. Ghastly Eye Bowl gives 4256 Max Magicka and 425 Magicka recovery.Lilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Vaynothah Sailenar - Dark Elf Templar
Sherivah Telvanni - Dark Elf Sorcerer
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Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭EldritchPenguin wrote: »
Now that you mention it, I'm kinda tempted to try it. You'll be a beefcake with those health bonuses from Alchemist, and your damage will be astronomical. I think I'd personally prefer to use Bloodspawn instead of Skoria on that build, since the extra resistances will synergize handily with the high health of the build, and it'll give you really good sustain as well. And since you're already running two primarily offensive sets, I think you'd probably be all set in the damage department, so you might not really need Skoria.Don't tar and feather me, but:
Has anyone thought of running
-2 Valkyn Skoria
-5 Heavy Clever Alchemist
-5 Burning Spellweave
And using "Ghastly Eye Bowl" or "Witch Mother's Potent Brew" as their food/drink?
Currently, I run 5 heavy Kag, 5 BSW, and 2 Valkyn with no sustain issues. I also use max health and magicka food. Since Kag only gives me 129 magicka recovery, technically speaking, the above setup would be much better. Ghastly Eye Bowl gives 4256 Max Magicka and 425 Magicka recovery.
I NEED Skoria. That *** was the bane of my existence when this game had its true first dungeon boss. I will forever wear his face as a testament to all my enemies!Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Voryn_Dagoth✭✭
In theory, I think this would be one of those builds were Slimecraw will close the deal.EldritchPenguin wrote: »
Now that you mention it, I'm kinda tempted to try it. You'll be a beefcake with those health bonuses from Alchemist, and your damage will be astronomical. I think I'd personally prefer to use Bloodspawn instead of Skoria on that build, since the extra resistances will synergize handily with the high health of the build, and it'll give you really good sustain as well. And since you're already running two primarily offensive sets, I think you'd probably be all set in the damage department, so you might not really need Skoria.Don't tar and feather me, but:
Has anyone thought of running
-2 Valkyn Skoria
-5 Heavy Clever Alchemist
-5 Burning Spellweave
And using "Ghastly Eye Bowl" or "Witch Mother's Potent Brew" as their food/drink?
Currently, I run 5 heavy Kag, 5 BSW, and 2 Valkyn with no sustain issues. I also use max health and magicka food. Since Kag only gives me 129 magicka recovery, technically speaking, the above setup would be much better. Ghastly Eye Bowl gives 4256 Max Magicka and 425 Magicka recovery.0 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'll tell you what: when I get off duty- I'll go home and build the Clever Alchemist/BSW/Witches Festival buff setup and post my results in a separate forum post. If you want me to tag you in it (for ease of finding it later) just let me know. I'll test it with both Valkyn and Slimeclaw.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Voryn_Dagoth✭✭
Right know, I want to try the Wyrd Tree's Blessing set with my Tank build. But your idea has cought my curiosity again, for a staff build. Just as with a tank build, there are so many possible sets to run with. Clever Alchemist is definitely the go-to set, but playing mostly on Azura (no-CP), I was thinking about going max Spell Penetration and combine it with Spinners, in a light armor build (must fall back on heavy armor probably). Queen's Elegance is also a set that comes immediatly to mind.I'll tell you what: when I get off duty- I'll go home and build the Clever Alchemist/BSW/Witches Festival buff setup and post my results in a separate forum post. If you want me to tag you in it (for ease of finding it later) just let me know. I'll test it with both Valkyn and Slimeclaw.
Anyway, I would really love to hear about your results!Edited by Voryn_Dagoth on March 27, 2017 9:29PM1 -
I've been looking into the best armour sets to use for both groups and solo with both dmg and sustain..
Last night I was running light julions with alteration mastery and bloodspawn duel sword and shield with no dmg shields and I was set on 36k magicka 22k health and 14.5k stam 2.1k spell dmg 1k regen 52% crit unbuffed in cyro.
Being in a group of 3 people we farmed a tower like a boss my standards and whips are hitting very hard with the sustain there also.
On the other hand solo pvp with my dislike to resto staffs and dmg shields isn't variable ( pretty much every ability is a heal ) so I turned to heavy the exact same set up julionus, alteration mastery and bloodspawn pretty much the exact same stats but with 28k health and 46% crit.
I like the look of syrabane but it was better on paper than in reality ie perma block build isn't for me. I will have a look at black rose with alteration mastery but I'm loving light !
My personal opinion is alteration mastery is BETTER than seducer without having to use it :')0 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Voryn_Dagoth wrote: »Right know, I want to try the Wyrd Tree's Blessing set with my Tank build. But your idea has cought my curiosity again, for a staff build. Just as with a tank build, there are so many possible sets to run with. Clever Alchemist is definitely the go-to set, but playing mostly on Azura (no-CP), I was thinking about going max Spell Penetration and combine it with Spinners, in a light armor build (must fall back on heavy armor probably). Queen's Elegance is also a set that comes immediatly to mind.
Anyway, I would really love to hear about your results!
I ran Wyrd Tree and Spinners for a couple of nights. I hit slightly harder with Spinners but Wyrd Tree was lackluster with that long cooldown. Sure, it occasionally gave me a timely proc, but I think there's probably a better set to pair with Spinners. I may try Seducer/Spinners or Kags/Spinners.1 -
Airyus✭✭✭As a MDK using spinners I found that the penetration is nice but you end up losing a lot of spell damage and set bonuses compared to other sets. Spinners is not worth it if you are using light since anything over 9k pen is meh, and mediocre with heavy IMO2 -
Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭Rattle/Necropotence/Shadowrend ...
Give it a try.
With DK dots Shadowrend uptime is huge. Big pressure and dam reduction ...
40.5 k magicka adds a lot of damage and sustain.
Really surprised how well it works.Edited by Vanzen on March 29, 2017 7:47AM0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emmagoldman wrote: »In long fights, do you have problems when the potion dmg boost drops?
Not really, survivability will still be the same, just try to use the proc when you have the enemy on the back foot or your setting a burst combo upDon't tar and feather me, but:
Has anyone thought of running
-2 Valkyn Skoria
-5 Heavy Clever Alchemist (782 spell damage)
-5 Burning Spellweave (729 spell damage)
And using "Ghastly Eye Bowl" or "Witch Mother's Potent Brew" as their food/drink?
Currently, I run 5 heavy Kag, 5 BSW, and 2 Valkyn with no sustain issues. I also use max health and magicka food. Since Kag only gives me 129 magicka recovery, technically speaking, the above setup would be much better. Ghastly Eye Bowl gives 4256 Max Magicka and 425 Magicka recovery.
I use this a similar set up on my sorc and magblade, with that food sustain is.not an issue, though on a DK I think having a big health pool is beneficial especially when 1vX'ing1 -
devilsTear✭✭✭How do you guys feel about fasallas on a magDK? I figure the healing debuff would be a great way to let my dots burn the enemy.
Something like
2p bloodspawn
5p fasallas
3p willpower
2p Torug's Pact front bar
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Aki-Ral✭✭✭I'll tell you what: when I get off duty- I'll go home and build the Clever Alchemist/BSW/Witches Festival buff setup and post my results in a separate forum post. If you want me to tag you in it (for ease of finding it later) just let me know. I'll test it with both Valkyn and Slimeclaw.
I am curious to the stats this will give.EU - PC0 -
WhoThenNow7✭✭✭Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »Does anyone still wear grothdar? I was wondering if it still put any pressure on thr opponent. The reason I ask is because i can't seem to get a heavy skoria shoulder piece nor a sharpened bsw sword but can go 5 heavy 2 light by using seducer sword and board and two heavy grothdar with jewelry of bsw and two light of bsw.
I literally do that same thing, haha.0 -
Airyus✭✭✭devilsTear wrote: »How do you guys feel about fasallas on a magDK? I figure the healing debuff would be a great way to let my dots burn the enemy.
Something like
2p bloodspawn
5p fasallas
3p willpower
2p Torug's Pact front bar
Ice staff back bar
Fasalla's is always good for the debuff tank type for group play but don't expect to do much damage2 -
devilsTear✭✭✭devilsTear wrote: »How do you guys feel about fasallas on a magDK? I figure the healing debuff would be a great way to let my dots burn the enemy.
Something like
2p bloodspawn
5p fasallas
3p willpower
2p Torug's Pact front bar
Ice staff back bar
Fasalla's is always good for the debuff tank type for group play but don't expect to do much damage
After playing with it for a day i must say I like it so far, switched bloodspawn to skoria and I'm at
36k magicka
27k health
15k Stam
SD is 2.8k and a 9k tool tip on whip buffed with molten armaments so it's not that bad, I need to test it more though.Edited by devilsTear on April 2, 2017 7:52PM0