[Homestead] Magika DK PvP Build Discussion

Zvorgin · March 2017

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Well, I'll admit I've harped on light armor MagDKs for a while now, but having spent all afternoon playing a light armor MagDK, I am now entirely aboard the light armor train. I'm running 5 Silks of the Sun, 5 Burning Spellweave, and 2 Grothdarr. S&B frontbar, Inferno backbar. Armor enchants are currently all Magicka (except for Stamina on shield), and I have 2 Magicka Recovery and 1 Spell Damage on jewelry. Comes out to about 31k Magicka, 22k Health, and 9k Stamina. 1100 Magicka Recovery and 42ish% crit chance on frontbar. My overall stats will improve over time, once I get around to grinding Undaunted (really don't want to do that) and getting some Prismatic glyphs.

I thought I'd have a much harder time surviving, but it's actually not that bad in no CP, since incoming damage is waaayyyyyyy lower, and I hit like a truck. Between light armor passives and a Crusher enchant, I have about 6k extra spell penetration compared to what I had in heavy armor. I'm stacking less Magicka sustain, but I don't need it as badly, because no CP fights are shorter, there are no unkillable tanks, and I have enough offence to melt everyone's face off anyway.

I'll have to play a lot more no CP.

Ishammael wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

@Ishammael 10 attribute points in Stam, infused big pieces with prismatic glyphs and stamina glyph on shield give me about 15k stamina. Use immovabilty and Tripots

What are your final stats in no CP with that setup? You give up lots of dmg for that stam.

My guess:
24k HP
25k mana
14k stam

I only have 11.5k stamina because I use witchmother's instead of Tristat food but have 30k magicka and around 24hp, 1500 magicka reg.

I ran some resto staff back bar tonight (mutagen as only resto spell) plus absorb magicka on S/b bar and it's dang near impossible to get killed, damage is still decent enough to take down plenty of people.

Back bar it is good to have the 8% max health from structured entropy since coagulating blood scales off missing health. Plus another HoT and there is literally healing coming from all over the place.

Moglijuana · March 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

good damage and no sustain...

This is the only thing you can strive for on a Magicka Dragonknight anymore, our sustain is shot to ***. Obviously don't sacrifice all of it but don't try to increase it any more than normal, it's just "there" and it's why I tell almost everyone that wants to play mDK to get a good Templar buddy running Luminous Shards and Energy Orb for your sustain, it's effective, the heals and damage the Templar can provide pretty much doubles everything you can do, and provided you have good DKs and a good Templar, you're legitimately unkillable unless you get zerged.

I sat inside an enemy keep for probably 2hrs against 8-12 constant EP healing 2 mDKs, granted, it took a while to effectively wipe them and give us breathing room. But we only died because one of the DKs got a little to trigger happy and leaped into the upper keep leaving us to low on damage and CC to outlast. Kept 2-3 Energy Orbs up the entire time, Breath of Life when needed. Dropped Luminous if one of the Dks called for stam/mag. GG EZ.

TL;DR, don't solo as a DK, ever. Get another DK or Templar at minimum.

We all know that being carried by a pocket healer makes any class or build trivial lol. Many in this thread want to build to be effective both independently and within a group.

This, who want a healer lol

Most accessible solo build has gotta be 5 seducer 5 BSW 2 Skoria. Damage and sustain, you still have limited burst tho

The set up i use is similar, rattlecage over BSW and Grothdarr over skoria (skoria is better for 1v1 though)

I feel I do well enough and only been playing this class for a few weeks, although it lacks huge burst it does have insane pressure, and ferocious leap is good to execute.

Has anyone tried to the new chains? Does it still not work due to issues with height or does it just suck?

I keep hearing Rattlecage thrown around, but wouldn't Kagnarec's Hope be stronger? I mean, unless whatever you put in that slot that you aren't using for Major Sorcery gives you more DPS and utility than Kag's, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Especially if you're running Destro. Seriously, Molten Armaments can make a fully charged Inferno staff attack hit for, like, 20k damage with the right buffs.

On another note, I have tried Chains. I really like it, actually. It seems to work more often than not, for sure. I had more problems with the range than with the unreliability. It certainly has great synergy with *gasp* Eye of the Storm + Grothdarr setups.

Don't believe the hype, rattlecage is a bad set. Kags and Julianos are both better as is BSW. Take your pick between entropy or igneous weapons, both are highly efficient skills and trigger multiple Passives. Rattlecage alone isn't all that much damage, but since it gives no sustain you need to seek some amount of that in your other sets...

I thought the same thing till I tried it, it really is well suited for a DK, don't knock it till you tried it.

Plus like already mentioned, the extra skill slot is really beneficial cause mDKs have so many skills.

I have tried it though and I struggled to find something more efficient to slot in place of entropy/molten since they both activate so many passives, I found the damage to be severely lacking and found myself needing to dedicate my other 5pc to sustain, meaning my damage was capped out at what rattlecage gives. In a vacuum I don't think its terrible, but in a world where BSW, julianos, and Kags all exist I just can't see running rattlecage.

So what's your set up out of curiosity? Skills ect?

I'm running 5/1/1 Heavy. Rattlecage,seducer and Grothdarr.

DW - Whip / Inferno / Embers / Talons / Fossilize / Leap

Resto - DeepBreath / Engulfing flames / elusive mist / healing ward / volatile Armor

I've tried SnB and am not a massive fan, also I'm not fond of dragon blood. I tried using SnB and dragon blood over Resto and healing Ward and still found healing Ward to better.

But I couldn't imagine playing without one of my slotted skills, I mean I don't even have room for igneous shield what do you drop for major sorcery?

This set up leaves me with 3k spell damage before wrath and weapon damage enchants

Double snb

Bsw/slimecraw/seducer I've got sharp BSW sword with reinforced shield and 3 bsw jewels 2 torugs snb back bar. 5 seducer, light gloves, medium waist, 3 heavy. 2 heavy slimecraw.

Ember, fossilize, whip, inhale, talons. meteor
volatile, entropy, coag, mist, flex. bats

Near unlimited sustain(as far as DK goes), 4k spell damage + minor berserk

Do you prefer Slimecraw over Bloodspawn?

Lexxypwns · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

good damage and no sustain...

This is the only thing you can strive for on a Magicka Dragonknight anymore, our sustain is shot to ***. Obviously don't sacrifice all of it but don't try to increase it any more than normal, it's just "there" and it's why I tell almost everyone that wants to play mDK to get a good Templar buddy running Luminous Shards and Energy Orb for your sustain, it's effective, the heals and damage the Templar can provide pretty much doubles everything you can do, and provided you have good DKs and a good Templar, you're legitimately unkillable unless you get zerged.

I sat inside an enemy keep for probably 2hrs against 8-12 constant EP healing 2 mDKs, granted, it took a while to effectively wipe them and give us breathing room. But we only died because one of the DKs got a little to trigger happy and leaped into the upper keep leaving us to low on damage and CC to outlast. Kept 2-3 Energy Orbs up the entire time, Breath of Life when needed. Dropped Luminous if one of the Dks called for stam/mag. GG EZ.

TL;DR, don't solo as a DK, ever. Get another DK or Templar at minimum.

We all know that being carried by a pocket healer makes any class or build trivial lol. Many in this thread want to build to be effective both independently and within a group.

This, who want a healer lol

Most accessible solo build has gotta be 5 seducer 5 BSW 2 Skoria. Damage and sustain, you still have limited burst tho

The set up i use is similar, rattlecage over BSW and Grothdarr over skoria (skoria is better for 1v1 though)

I feel I do well enough and only been playing this class for a few weeks, although it lacks huge burst it does have insane pressure, and ferocious leap is good to execute.

Has anyone tried to the new chains? Does it still not work due to issues with height or does it just suck?

I keep hearing Rattlecage thrown around, but wouldn't Kagnarec's Hope be stronger? I mean, unless whatever you put in that slot that you aren't using for Major Sorcery gives you more DPS and utility than Kag's, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Especially if you're running Destro. Seriously, Molten Armaments can make a fully charged Inferno staff attack hit for, like, 20k damage with the right buffs.

On another note, I have tried Chains. I really like it, actually. It seems to work more often than not, for sure. I had more problems with the range than with the unreliability. It certainly has great synergy with *gasp* Eye of the Storm + Grothdarr setups.

Don't believe the hype, rattlecage is a bad set. Kags and Julianos are both better as is BSW. Take your pick between entropy or igneous weapons, both are highly efficient skills and trigger multiple Passives. Rattlecage alone isn't all that much damage, but since it gives no sustain you need to seek some amount of that in your other sets...

I thought the same thing till I tried it, it really is well suited for a DK, don't knock it till you tried it.

Plus like already mentioned, the extra skill slot is really beneficial cause mDKs have so many skills.

I have tried it though and I struggled to find something more efficient to slot in place of entropy/molten since they both activate so many passives, I found the damage to be severely lacking and found myself needing to dedicate my other 5pc to sustain, meaning my damage was capped out at what rattlecage gives. In a vacuum I don't think its terrible, but in a world where BSW, julianos, and Kags all exist I just can't see running rattlecage.

So what's your set up out of curiosity? Skills ect?

I'm running 5/1/1 Heavy. Rattlecage,seducer and Grothdarr.

DW - Whip / Inferno / Embers / Talons / Fossilize / Leap

Resto - DeepBreath / Engulfing flames / elusive mist / healing ward / volatile Armor

I've tried SnB and am not a massive fan, also I'm not fond of dragon blood. I tried using SnB and dragon blood over Resto and healing Ward and still found healing Ward to better.

But I couldn't imagine playing without one of my slotted skills, I mean I don't even have room for igneous shield what do you drop for major sorcery?

This set up leaves me with 3k spell damage before wrath and weapon damage enchants

Double snb

Bsw/slimecraw/seducer I've got sharp BSW sword with reinforced shield and 3 bsw jewels 2 torugs snb back bar. 5 seducer, light gloves, medium waist, 3 heavy. 2 heavy slimecraw.

Ember, fossilize, whip, inhale, talons. meteor
volatile, entropy, coag, mist, flex. bats

Near unlimited sustain(as far as DK goes), 4k spell damage + minor berserk

Do you prefer Slimecraw over Bloodspawn?

I personally started running slimecraw after my wife played with slimecraw on her mDK when she didn't have bloodspawn. Now, I think its probably BiS if you're looking for an aggressive build, with BSW+slimecraw I've been able to kill good players in duels without ult dependency, though not as consistently as I'd like. Seducer+constitution is enough sustain anyway imo.

Moglijuana · March 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

good damage and no sustain...

This is the only thing you can strive for on a Magicka Dragonknight anymore, our sustain is shot to ***. Obviously don't sacrifice all of it but don't try to increase it any more than normal, it's just "there" and it's why I tell almost everyone that wants to play mDK to get a good Templar buddy running Luminous Shards and Energy Orb for your sustain, it's effective, the heals and damage the Templar can provide pretty much doubles everything you can do, and provided you have good DKs and a good Templar, you're legitimately unkillable unless you get zerged.

I sat inside an enemy keep for probably 2hrs against 8-12 constant EP healing 2 mDKs, granted, it took a while to effectively wipe them and give us breathing room. But we only died because one of the DKs got a little to trigger happy and leaped into the upper keep leaving us to low on damage and CC to outlast. Kept 2-3 Energy Orbs up the entire time, Breath of Life when needed. Dropped Luminous if one of the Dks called for stam/mag. GG EZ.

TL;DR, don't solo as a DK, ever. Get another DK or Templar at minimum.

We all know that being carried by a pocket healer makes any class or build trivial lol. Many in this thread want to build to be effective both independently and within a group.

This, who want a healer lol

Most accessible solo build has gotta be 5 seducer 5 BSW 2 Skoria. Damage and sustain, you still have limited burst tho

The set up i use is similar, rattlecage over BSW and Grothdarr over skoria (skoria is better for 1v1 though)

I feel I do well enough and only been playing this class for a few weeks, although it lacks huge burst it does have insane pressure, and ferocious leap is good to execute.

Has anyone tried to the new chains? Does it still not work due to issues with height or does it just suck?

I keep hearing Rattlecage thrown around, but wouldn't Kagnarec's Hope be stronger? I mean, unless whatever you put in that slot that you aren't using for Major Sorcery gives you more DPS and utility than Kag's, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Especially if you're running Destro. Seriously, Molten Armaments can make a fully charged Inferno staff attack hit for, like, 20k damage with the right buffs.

On another note, I have tried Chains. I really like it, actually. It seems to work more often than not, for sure. I had more problems with the range than with the unreliability. It certainly has great synergy with *gasp* Eye of the Storm + Grothdarr setups.

Don't believe the hype, rattlecage is a bad set. Kags and Julianos are both better as is BSW. Take your pick between entropy or igneous weapons, both are highly efficient skills and trigger multiple Passives. Rattlecage alone isn't all that much damage, but since it gives no sustain you need to seek some amount of that in your other sets...

I thought the same thing till I tried it, it really is well suited for a DK, don't knock it till you tried it.

Plus like already mentioned, the extra skill slot is really beneficial cause mDKs have so many skills.

I have tried it though and I struggled to find something more efficient to slot in place of entropy/molten since they both activate so many passives, I found the damage to be severely lacking and found myself needing to dedicate my other 5pc to sustain, meaning my damage was capped out at what rattlecage gives. In a vacuum I don't think its terrible, but in a world where BSW, julianos, and Kags all exist I just can't see running rattlecage.

So what's your set up out of curiosity? Skills ect?

I'm running 5/1/1 Heavy. Rattlecage,seducer and Grothdarr.

DW - Whip / Inferno / Embers / Talons / Fossilize / Leap

Resto - DeepBreath / Engulfing flames / elusive mist / healing ward / volatile Armor

I've tried SnB and am not a massive fan, also I'm not fond of dragon blood. I tried using SnB and dragon blood over Resto and healing Ward and still found healing Ward to better.

But I couldn't imagine playing without one of my slotted skills, I mean I don't even have room for igneous shield what do you drop for major sorcery?

This set up leaves me with 3k spell damage before wrath and weapon damage enchants

Double snb

Bsw/slimecraw/seducer I've got sharp BSW sword with reinforced shield and 3 bsw jewels 2 torugs snb back bar. 5 seducer, light gloves, medium waist, 3 heavy. 2 heavy slimecraw.

Ember, fossilize, whip, inhale, talons. meteor
volatile, entropy, coag, mist, flex. bats

Near unlimited sustain(as far as DK goes), 4k spell damage + minor berserk

Do you prefer Slimecraw over Bloodspawn?

I personally started running slimecraw after my wife played with slimecraw on her mDK when she didn't have bloodspawn. Now, I think its probably BiS if you're looking for an aggressive build, with BSW+slimecraw I've been able to kill good players in duels without ult dependency, though not as consistently as I'd like. Seducer+constitution is enough sustain anyway imo.

I guess I'll give it a try since now my main ult only costs 125 =P. That minor berserk is probably dope on mDK now that I think about it.

Lexxypwns · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

good damage and no sustain...

This is the only thing you can strive for on a Magicka Dragonknight anymore, our sustain is shot to ***. Obviously don't sacrifice all of it but don't try to increase it any more than normal, it's just "there" and it's why I tell almost everyone that wants to play mDK to get a good Templar buddy running Luminous Shards and Energy Orb for your sustain, it's effective, the heals and damage the Templar can provide pretty much doubles everything you can do, and provided you have good DKs and a good Templar, you're legitimately unkillable unless you get zerged.

I sat inside an enemy keep for probably 2hrs against 8-12 constant EP healing 2 mDKs, granted, it took a while to effectively wipe them and give us breathing room. But we only died because one of the DKs got a little to trigger happy and leaped into the upper keep leaving us to low on damage and CC to outlast. Kept 2-3 Energy Orbs up the entire time, Breath of Life when needed. Dropped Luminous if one of the Dks called for stam/mag. GG EZ.

TL;DR, don't solo as a DK, ever. Get another DK or Templar at minimum.

We all know that being carried by a pocket healer makes any class or build trivial lol. Many in this thread want to build to be effective both independently and within a group.

This, who want a healer lol

Most accessible solo build has gotta be 5 seducer 5 BSW 2 Skoria. Damage and sustain, you still have limited burst tho

The set up i use is similar, rattlecage over BSW and Grothdarr over skoria (skoria is better for 1v1 though)

I feel I do well enough and only been playing this class for a few weeks, although it lacks huge burst it does have insane pressure, and ferocious leap is good to execute.

Has anyone tried to the new chains? Does it still not work due to issues with height or does it just suck?

I keep hearing Rattlecage thrown around, but wouldn't Kagnarec's Hope be stronger? I mean, unless whatever you put in that slot that you aren't using for Major Sorcery gives you more DPS and utility than Kag's, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Especially if you're running Destro. Seriously, Molten Armaments can make a fully charged Inferno staff attack hit for, like, 20k damage with the right buffs.

On another note, I have tried Chains. I really like it, actually. It seems to work more often than not, for sure. I had more problems with the range than with the unreliability. It certainly has great synergy with *gasp* Eye of the Storm + Grothdarr setups.

Don't believe the hype, rattlecage is a bad set. Kags and Julianos are both better as is BSW. Take your pick between entropy or igneous weapons, both are highly efficient skills and trigger multiple Passives. Rattlecage alone isn't all that much damage, but since it gives no sustain you need to seek some amount of that in your other sets...

I thought the same thing till I tried it, it really is well suited for a DK, don't knock it till you tried it.

Plus like already mentioned, the extra skill slot is really beneficial cause mDKs have so many skills.

I have tried it though and I struggled to find something more efficient to slot in place of entropy/molten since they both activate so many passives, I found the damage to be severely lacking and found myself needing to dedicate my other 5pc to sustain, meaning my damage was capped out at what rattlecage gives. In a vacuum I don't think its terrible, but in a world where BSW, julianos, and Kags all exist I just can't see running rattlecage.

So what's your set up out of curiosity? Skills ect?

I'm running 5/1/1 Heavy. Rattlecage,seducer and Grothdarr.

DW - Whip / Inferno / Embers / Talons / Fossilize / Leap

Resto - DeepBreath / Engulfing flames / elusive mist / healing ward / volatile Armor

I've tried SnB and am not a massive fan, also I'm not fond of dragon blood. I tried using SnB and dragon blood over Resto and healing Ward and still found healing Ward to better.

But I couldn't imagine playing without one of my slotted skills, I mean I don't even have room for igneous shield what do you drop for major sorcery?

This set up leaves me with 3k spell damage before wrath and weapon damage enchants

Double snb

Bsw/slimecraw/seducer I've got sharp BSW sword with reinforced shield and 3 bsw jewels 2 torugs snb back bar. 5 seducer, light gloves, medium waist, 3 heavy. 2 heavy slimecraw.

Ember, fossilize, whip, inhale, talons. meteor
volatile, entropy, coag, mist, flex. bats

Near unlimited sustain(as far as DK goes), 4k spell damage + minor berserk

Do you prefer Slimecraw over Bloodspawn?

I personally started running slimecraw after my wife played with slimecraw on her mDK when she didn't have bloodspawn. Now, I think its probably BiS if you're looking for an aggressive build, with BSW+slimecraw I've been able to kill good players in duels without ult dependency, though not as consistently as I'd like. Seducer+constitution is enough sustain anyway imo.

I guess I'll give it a try since now my main ult only costs 125 =P. That minor berserk is probably dope on mDK now that I think about it.

Minor berserk is really really really good.

psychotic13 · March 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

good damage and no sustain...

This is the only thing you can strive for on a Magicka Dragonknight anymore, our sustain is shot to ***. Obviously don't sacrifice all of it but don't try to increase it any more than normal, it's just "there" and it's why I tell almost everyone that wants to play mDK to get a good Templar buddy running Luminous Shards and Energy Orb for your sustain, it's effective, the heals and damage the Templar can provide pretty much doubles everything you can do, and provided you have good DKs and a good Templar, you're legitimately unkillable unless you get zerged.

I sat inside an enemy keep for probably 2hrs against 8-12 constant EP healing 2 mDKs, granted, it took a while to effectively wipe them and give us breathing room. But we only died because one of the DKs got a little to trigger happy and leaped into the upper keep leaving us to low on damage and CC to outlast. Kept 2-3 Energy Orbs up the entire time, Breath of Life when needed. Dropped Luminous if one of the Dks called for stam/mag. GG EZ.

TL;DR, don't solo as a DK, ever. Get another DK or Templar at minimum.

We all know that being carried by a pocket healer makes any class or build trivial lol. Many in this thread want to build to be effective both independently and within a group.

This, who want a healer lol

Most accessible solo build has gotta be 5 seducer 5 BSW 2 Skoria. Damage and sustain, you still have limited burst tho

The set up i use is similar, rattlecage over BSW and Grothdarr over skoria (skoria is better for 1v1 though)

I feel I do well enough and only been playing this class for a few weeks, although it lacks huge burst it does have insane pressure, and ferocious leap is good to execute.

Has anyone tried to the new chains? Does it still not work due to issues with height or does it just suck?

I keep hearing Rattlecage thrown around, but wouldn't Kagnarec's Hope be stronger? I mean, unless whatever you put in that slot that you aren't using for Major Sorcery gives you more DPS and utility than Kag's, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Especially if you're running Destro. Seriously, Molten Armaments can make a fully charged Inferno staff attack hit for, like, 20k damage with the right buffs.

On another note, I have tried Chains. I really like it, actually. It seems to work more often than not, for sure. I had more problems with the range than with the unreliability. It certainly has great synergy with *gasp* Eye of the Storm + Grothdarr setups.

Don't believe the hype, rattlecage is a bad set. Kags and Julianos are both better as is BSW. Take your pick between entropy or igneous weapons, both are highly efficient skills and trigger multiple Passives. Rattlecage alone isn't all that much damage, but since it gives no sustain you need to seek some amount of that in your other sets...

I thought the same thing till I tried it, it really is well suited for a DK, don't knock it till you tried it.

Plus like already mentioned, the extra skill slot is really beneficial cause mDKs have so many skills.

I have tried it though and I struggled to find something more efficient to slot in place of entropy/molten since they both activate so many passives, I found the damage to be severely lacking and found myself needing to dedicate my other 5pc to sustain, meaning my damage was capped out at what rattlecage gives. In a vacuum I don't think its terrible, but in a world where BSW, julianos, and Kags all exist I just can't see running rattlecage.

So what's your set up out of curiosity? Skills ect?

I'm running 5/1/1 Heavy. Rattlecage,seducer and Grothdarr.

DW - Whip / Inferno / Embers / Talons / Fossilize / Leap

Resto - DeepBreath / Engulfing flames / elusive mist / healing ward / volatile Armor

I've tried SnB and am not a massive fan, also I'm not fond of dragon blood. I tried using SnB and dragon blood over Resto and healing Ward and still found healing Ward to better.

But I couldn't imagine playing without one of my slotted skills, I mean I don't even have room for igneous shield what do you drop for major sorcery?

This set up leaves me with 3k spell damage before wrath and weapon damage enchants

Double snb

Bsw/slimecraw/seducer I've got sharp BSW sword with reinforced shield and 3 bsw jewels 2 torugs snb back bar. 5 seducer, light gloves, medium waist, 3 heavy. 2 heavy slimecraw.

Ember, fossilize, whip, inhale, talons. meteor
volatile, entropy, coag, mist, flex. bats

Near unlimited sustain(as far as DK goes), 4k spell damage + minor berserk

Do you prefer Slimecraw over Bloodspawn?

I personally started running slimecraw after my wife played with slimecraw on her mDK when she didn't have bloodspawn. Now, I think its probably BiS if you're looking for an aggressive build, with BSW+slimecraw I've been able to kill good players in duels without ult dependency, though not as consistently as I'd like. Seducer+constitution is enough sustain anyway imo.

I guess I'll give it a try since now my main ult only costs 125 =P. That minor berserk is probably dope on mDK now that I think about it.

Minor berserk is really really really good.

Not a fan of slimecraw personally, the health recovery You get is kind of pointless as were vampire (most likely) and I still use a Resto on the back bar I think it's more reliable, and could always get minor berserk from combat prayer.

Most mDKs I see run Bloodspawn, whenever I tried it I just wasn't feeling much benefit. Personally I like grothdarr, the proc with talons and deep breath followed by a ferociois leap is so useful when trying to 1vX

I decided to drop FoO though, I always thought it fired 5 times, once every 3 seconds but I realised it's the other way round and it's just so underwhelming. Thinking proxy det may be useful.

I guess id probably go BSW over rattlecage, but I do not have the patience to get x2 sharpened swords

Moglijuana · March 2017

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Glory wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

good damage and no sustain...

This is the only thing you can strive for on a Magicka Dragonknight anymore, our sustain is shot to ***. Obviously don't sacrifice all of it but don't try to increase it any more than normal, it's just "there" and it's why I tell almost everyone that wants to play mDK to get a good Templar buddy running Luminous Shards and Energy Orb for your sustain, it's effective, the heals and damage the Templar can provide pretty much doubles everything you can do, and provided you have good DKs and a good Templar, you're legitimately unkillable unless you get zerged.

I sat inside an enemy keep for probably 2hrs against 8-12 constant EP healing 2 mDKs, granted, it took a while to effectively wipe them and give us breathing room. But we only died because one of the DKs got a little to trigger happy and leaped into the upper keep leaving us to low on damage and CC to outlast. Kept 2-3 Energy Orbs up the entire time, Breath of Life when needed. Dropped Luminous if one of the Dks called for stam/mag. GG EZ.

TL;DR, don't solo as a DK, ever. Get another DK or Templar at minimum.

We all know that being carried by a pocket healer makes any class or build trivial lol. Many in this thread want to build to be effective both independently and within a group.

This, who want a healer lol

Most accessible solo build has gotta be 5 seducer 5 BSW 2 Skoria. Damage and sustain, you still have limited burst tho

The set up i use is similar, rattlecage over BSW and Grothdarr over skoria (skoria is better for 1v1 though)

I feel I do well enough and only been playing this class for a few weeks, although it lacks huge burst it does have insane pressure, and ferocious leap is good to execute.

Has anyone tried to the new chains? Does it still not work due to issues with height or does it just suck?

I keep hearing Rattlecage thrown around, but wouldn't Kagnarec's Hope be stronger? I mean, unless whatever you put in that slot that you aren't using for Major Sorcery gives you more DPS and utility than Kag's, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Especially if you're running Destro. Seriously, Molten Armaments can make a fully charged Inferno staff attack hit for, like, 20k damage with the right buffs.

On another note, I have tried Chains. I really like it, actually. It seems to work more often than not, for sure. I had more problems with the range than with the unreliability. It certainly has great synergy with *gasp* Eye of the Storm + Grothdarr setups.

Don't believe the hype, rattlecage is a bad set. Kags and Julianos are both better as is BSW. Take your pick between entropy or igneous weapons, both are highly efficient skills and trigger multiple Passives. Rattlecage alone isn't all that much damage, but since it gives no sustain you need to seek some amount of that in your other sets...

I thought the same thing till I tried it, it really is well suited for a DK, don't knock it till you tried it.

Plus like already mentioned, the extra skill slot is really beneficial cause mDKs have so many skills.

I have tried it though and I struggled to find something more efficient to slot in place of entropy/molten since they both activate so many passives, I found the damage to be severely lacking and found myself needing to dedicate my other 5pc to sustain, meaning my damage was capped out at what rattlecage gives. In a vacuum I don't think its terrible, but in a world where BSW, julianos, and Kags all exist I just can't see running rattlecage.

So what's your set up out of curiosity? Skills ect?

I'm running 5/1/1 Heavy. Rattlecage,seducer and Grothdarr.

DW - Whip / Inferno / Embers / Talons / Fossilize / Leap

Resto - DeepBreath / Engulfing flames / elusive mist / healing ward / volatile Armor

I've tried SnB and am not a massive fan, also I'm not fond of dragon blood. I tried using SnB and dragon blood over Resto and healing Ward and still found healing Ward to better.

But I couldn't imagine playing without one of my slotted skills, I mean I don't even have room for igneous shield what do you drop for major sorcery?

This set up leaves me with 3k spell damage before wrath and weapon damage enchants

Double snb

Bsw/slimecraw/seducer I've got sharp BSW sword with reinforced shield and 3 bsw jewels 2 torugs snb back bar. 5 seducer, light gloves, medium waist, 3 heavy. 2 heavy slimecraw.

Ember, fossilize, whip, inhale, talons. meteor
volatile, entropy, coag, mist, flex. bats

Near unlimited sustain(as far as DK goes), 4k spell damage + minor berserk

Do you prefer Slimecraw over Bloodspawn?

I personally started running slimecraw after my wife played with slimecraw on her mDK when she didn't have bloodspawn. Now, I think its probably BiS if you're looking for an aggressive build, with BSW+slimecraw I've been able to kill good players in duels without ult dependency, though not as consistently as I'd like. Seducer+constitution is enough sustain anyway imo.

I guess I'll give it a try since now my main ult only costs 125 =P. That minor berserk is probably dope on mDK now that I think about it.

Minor berserk is really really really good.

Not a fan of slimecraw personally, the health recovery You get is kind of pointless as were vampire (most likely) and I still use a Resto on the back bar I think it's more reliable, and could always get minor berserk from combat prayer.

Most mDKs I see run Bloodspawn, whenever I tried it I just wasn't feeling much benefit. Personally I like grothdarr, the proc with talons and deep breath followed by a ferociois leap is so useful when trying to 1vX

I decided to drop FoO though, I always thought it fired 5 times, once every 3 seconds but I realised it's the other way round and it's just so underwhelming. Thinking proxy det may be useful.

I guess id probably go BSW over rattlecage, but I do not have the patience to get x2 sharpened swords

FoO is better than proxy imo. You can time it with an ult, plus it brings NB's who are in combat with you out of stealth. You can literally spam it and the fireball will always hit them lol. Idk if that is intended, but it is definitely useful when trying to kill a failed ganker who is trying to reset.

Hutch679 · March 2017

What about doing 5 rattlecage, 5 BSW and using a maelstrom sharpened inferno staff on front bar, with endurance sword and shield back bar?

I havent tried using a staff in pvp, but thought it might be decent damage using a medium weave between dots, flame lash, and deep breath.

Zvorgin · March 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

What about doing 5 rattlecage, 5 BSW and using a maelstrom sharpened inferno staff on front bar, with endurance sword and shield back bar?

I havent tried using a staff in pvp, but thought it might be decent damage using a medium weave between dots, flame lash, and deep breath.

I've considered 1 piece molag kena with 5BSW+5Kag's and using destro / resto staves. I don't have maelstrom weapons so this would be my compromise. Frost staff would still give nice tankiness. There are some many options with the mDK and that's what I find most intriguing.

Hutch679 · March 2017

Zvorgin wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

What about doing 5 rattlecage, 5 BSW and using a maelstrom sharpened inferno staff on front bar, with endurance sword and shield back bar?

I havent tried using a staff in pvp, but thought it might be decent damage using a medium weave between dots, flame lash, and deep breath.

I've considered 1 piece molag kena with 5BSW+5Kag's and using destro / resto staves. I don't have maelstrom weapons so this would be my compromise. Frost staff would still give nice tankiness. There are some many options with the mDK and that's what I find most intriguing.

Yeah I agree. The problem is even though there are many options, not all of them work efficiently, unfortunately. I tried 5 seducer, 5 BSW, with 1H & Shield and frost staff back bar and just couldn't get good damage output. Trying 5 rattle cage, 5 BSW, 2 valkyn skoria, 1H & shield, melstrom inferno staff, and im having better luck to be honest. The only issue I run into is stamina sustain. I'm gonna have to rethink some glyphs and champion points to make it work but the damage is pretty good.

Ishammael · March 2017

Hutch679 wrote: »

What about doing 5 rattlecage, 5 BSW and using a maelstrom sharpened inferno staff on front bar, with endurance sword and shield back bar?

I havent tried using a staff in pvp, but thought it might be decent damage using a medium weave between dots, flame lash, and deep breath.

I always wanted to try BSW + Rattle using dual SnB. But that RNG grind has kept me away from it.
That setup actually gives you the option of running either 5L or 5H and I wanted to try both.

Monster set TBD, but probably BS or Slime or Valkyn.

AverageJo3Gam3r · March 2017

@Hutch679 weave damage is awesome. Throw in molten armaments and you can get some nice heavies off from stealth or on an unsuspecting target. You give up some tankiness and either a monster set or a 5pc bonus.

Hutch679 · March 2017

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Hutch679 weave damage is awesome. Throw in molten armaments and you can get some nice heavies off from stealth or on an unsuspecting target. You give up some tankiness and either a monster set or a 5pc bonus.

Yeah I was thinking about giving up the monster set and here is why....

Valkyn skoria hits for about 5k every 6 or 7 seconds. I can weave at least 3 or 4 medium attacks in that amount of time for more than 3k each. In addition to this, inferno staff hits harder since the homestead patch, and flame damage from medium attacks can proc burning spellweave. The only thing I can think of that is a downfall, is the fact that mDK requires a lot of blocking, and giving up the shield on the damage bar will mean I'll have to swap to my off bar to heal more often. Ill have to run around and see how I feel about it to be honest.

Freeman · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Moglijuana · March 2017

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep

. I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Freeman · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst.

Awesome! I will definitely be picking up a Sun set then. Appreciate it!

Freeman · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

EldritchPenguin · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Moglijuana · March 2017

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)

The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.

Xvorg · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)

The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.

What about WMK? I'm using it on a mageblade and seems to work nicely.

Moglijuana · March 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)

The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.

What about WMK? I'm using it on a mageblade and seems to work nicely.

What is WMK?

Freeman · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)

The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.

@Moglijuana Appreciate the info! Does ele expert increase the damage your staff light/heavy attacks do as well?

EldritchPenguin · March 2017

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)

The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.

@Moglijuana Appreciate the info! Does ele expert increase the damage your staff light/heavy attacks do as well?

Yes, it does.

Moglijuana · March 2017

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)

The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.

@Moglijuana Appreciate the info! Does ele expert increase the damage your staff light/heavy attacks do as well?

Correct^. I mostly let Elegant & Molten Armaments do most of the work for my heavy attacks and focus on getting as much fire damage out of my whips as possible. In fights I'm constantly weaving L.A/Whip and then when I get an Opening I charge a heavy and follow with a Leap-> whip.

Freeman · March 2017

Awesome, appreciate the info @Moglijuana and @EldritchPenguin !

I'm just getting back into ESO after a long break, so I'm having to relearn/figure out a lot of stuff lol.

EDIT: By the way, how do you portion out your CP in the other trees as well?

Moglijuana · March 2017

Freeman wrote: »

Awesome, appreciate the info @Moglijuana and @EldritchPenguin !

I'm just getting back into ESO after a long break, so I'm having to relearn/figure out a lot of stuff lol.

EDIT: By the way, how do you portion out your CP in the other trees as well?

Off the top of my head:

100 into Magician
35 into tumbling (I dodge roll a lot)
40 into Shadow Ward
rest into tenacity ( or arcanist up to you)

100 into elemental defender
50 into hardy
40 into resistant
10 into bastion

this is the way my cp has been set up for a while, on most builds.

WhoThenNow7 · March 2017

This may not be the best set up, but I like 5 heavy 2 light. 5 BsW 5 seducer 2 skoria. I use 3 BsW jewelry, a waist and gloves BsW, then the rest 3 heavy seducer, 2 heavy skoria, and either dual sharpened seducer swords or one sword and 1 seducer shield. Back bar I use either sharpened destruction staff or defending restoration staff.

Jjitsuboy98 · March 2017

5 seducer 5 trainer still gives me around 42 k Magicka (with inner light) almost 18k Stamina and around 26 27 k health. With 2100 spell damage.

Freeman · March 2017

@Moglijuana What are your thoughts on Spinner's vs Silks of the Sun? For a setup of 5x Spinners, 5x Elegance, 1x Molag Kena. I wasn't sure how the 5pc bonus for the spell pen on Spinner's compared with just the raw spell damage of Silks for our heavy attacks. Plus the 2pc spinners gives max magicka in lieu of 2pc silks for max health

Lokey0024 · March 2017

Why would anyone run rattlecage with a destro. Molten armernments is the best skill a destro staff could ask for?! 5 5 1 however you slice it up is great, but you will miss the utility of a monster set greatly, trust me.