there needs to be some sustain alternative as many people have already mentioned that doesn't decrease build diversity. maybe set a cap for CP categories that aren't the special milestone ones.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

silent majority are well silent. They are not on the forums so......

You must not have understood how voting and polls work. Here's a recent example

Donald Trump winning the American presidency, every news agency hated him and predicted he would never make it to preliminary. Voting time comes around and when everyone cast their VOTES on a POLL everyone realized the silent majority had very different feelings and opinions because of the choice of their VOTE.

And here on the forums it is the same situation people do not always comment but there are hundreds of people on here who never comment but just surf the forums and occasionally vote in POLLS.

Hence why polls capture the voices of silent majority, and why I created it in the first place to capture a visage of the silent majority who choose not to participate in actual debates.

So nice troll attempt but try again

did you just use the election as an example. an election where trump lost the pop vote. wow.

also, not everyone is registered for forums. not everyone comes to forums. in fact, many people come to the forums to complain, not to say what they like. so the community on the forums is also skewed toward negativity to changes.

Have your poll. go for it. this is hardly representative of anything more than a very small amount of people who play the game.

He didn't lose the popular vote, go look again. There were almost 2 million voter fraud's in Florida, Donald trump won both the popular vote and the electoral votes, I can provide a link if you want it.

Also I'm more than aware not everyone uses the forums but for ESO specifically has one of the largest worldwide forum usage for every platform combined. Hence these votes are coming from every platform and not just a specific one and capture an even larger audience. And that is your opinion that people come here to complain, most posts I have seen are are all just talking about Morrowind, mounts, sending tickets, and talking about various other aspects of the game and only when bug changes like this happen do I see complaint threads.

And they people that are here against it far outweigh those who are for it, an even SMALLER minority. I have actually gone on all three platforms (I own three selected copies of the game) And not on a single one have I seen a popular reception so I'll stick with my supporting information over your condescending attitude

thats fine. we will wait to see if it goes through. if it does then we know at least 50% of population like the change.

I'm not sure where you're getting 50% from but okay.


The developers push through changes regardless of popular opinions. The most notable probably being when Stamina recovery while blocking was eliminated

devs have held, since the time stam recovery was removed from blocking, that they know they will never make everyone happy. They stated (rich stated) that as long as they make at least 50% of people happy, then they are fine with that.

So if change goes through, we know at least 50% of people want it to happen according to zos numbers. Which may not be perfect, but better than anything the consumers have available to them.

Pray tell how do you think they come up with 50% people happy with a single decision from every platform and every person combined

they have many ways to get numbers from forums to in game chat to in game reports to guild meetings to testers to youtube etc etc etc. They have access to much more information than any of us consumers do. It is not an exact science no.

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

silent majority are well silent. They are not on the forums so......

You must not have understood how voting and polls work. Here's a recent example

Donald Trump winning the American presidency, every news agency hated him and predicted he would never make it to preliminary. Voting time comes around and when everyone cast their VOTES on a POLL everyone realized the silent majority had very different feelings and opinions because of the choice of their VOTE.

And here on the forums it is the same situation people do not always comment but there are hundreds of people on here who never comment but just surf the forums and occasionally vote in POLLS.

Hence why polls capture the voices of silent majority, and why I created it in the first place to capture a visage of the silent majority who choose not to participate in actual debates.

So nice troll attempt but try again

did you just use the election as an example. an election where trump lost the pop vote. wow.

also, not everyone is registered for forums. not everyone comes to forums. in fact, many people come to the forums to complain, not to say what they like. so the community on the forums is also skewed toward negativity to changes.

Have your poll. go for it. this is hardly representative of anything more than a very small amount of people who play the game.

He didn't lose the popular vote, go look again. There were almost 2 million voter fraud's in Florida, Donald trump won both the popular vote and the electoral votes, I can provide a link if you want it.

Also I'm more than aware not everyone uses the forums but for ESO specifically has one of the largest worldwide forum usage for every platform combined. Hence these votes are coming from every platform and not just a specific one and capture an even larger audience. And that is your opinion that people come here to complain, most posts I have seen are are all just talking about Morrowind, mounts, sending tickets, and talking about various other aspects of the game and only when bug changes like this happen do I see complaint threads.

And they people that are here against it far outweigh those who are for it, an even SMALLER minority. I have actually gone on all three platforms (I own three selected copies of the game) And not on a single one have I seen a popular reception so I'll stick with my supporting information over your condescending attitude

thats fine. we will wait to see if it goes through. if it does then we know at least 50% of population like the change.

I'm not sure where you're getting 50% from but okay.


The developers push through changes regardless of popular opinions. The most notable probably being when Stamina recovery while blocking was eliminated

devs have held, since the time stam recovery was removed from blocking, that they know they will never make everyone happy. They stated (rich stated) that as long as they make at least 50% of people happy, then they are fine with that.

So if change goes through, we know at least 50% of people want it to happen according to zos numbers. Which may not be perfect, but better than anything the consumers have available to them.

Pray tell how do you think they come up with 50% people happy with a single decision from every platform and every person combined

they have many ways to get numbers from forums to in game chat to in game reports to guild meetings to testers to youtube etc etc etc. They have access to much more information than any of us consumers do. It is not an exact science no.

You missed my insinuation. Wouldn't you agree that is exactly what I am doing with the Official ESO forums poll votes?

right, but the difference is that many people view these polls as the end all be all. As the "see we have spoken." The difference is that zos takes into account all of it. These forums area very small amount of the player base.

as i said, have your poll, im just saying it is not the end all be all that many people seem to think it is.

I'm quite divided.

I also wish they would just have a real plan for gameplay and balance and mechanics instead of repeatedly smashing huge swaths of mechanics to bits, but I also think these CP reductions were a giant mistake to begin with, for the reasons mentioned above. Having 1 regen bonus on a set generally marks it as useless for DPS, which is pretty sad.

More generally, I wish the game had been designed with less holy trinity / stick to your role type play and more everyone is somewhat self sufficient with a bent towards better healer, better DPS or more survival. I believe this was the original intent, somewhat classic elder scolls in it's way, but unfortunately we have drifted really far from there, and it's way too late with all the existing content. I feel like you can still do this in much of the 4 man content, which is why it's still fun for me, even tough it's easier than trials. I feel like ESO was designed around 4 man and solo PvE, and the 12 man and PvP aspects continue to screw with their attempts at balance. Not implying that 12 man or PvP is bad, I raid myself these days, just that balancing for all 3 is nearly impossible.

I said in another thread, my main concern is that this won't change meta, it will just further separate the elite from non-elite by relying on Luminous Shards and Orbs from the healers even more heavily for sustain instead of increasing sustain on each DPS. This will make the leap to harder content even more massive than it already is, because both the DPS and healers will need to be BiS superstars to make it work. You will see videos of Hodor beating the new trial in 15 minutes while a mid tier guild is stuck forever (because every fight in ESO has enrage mechanics and other DPS checks).

Browiseth wrote: »

people are going to vote no because they don't want to have to change their builds/get better at the game, even if it means the game will ultimately improve in the long run

a very selfish and short sighted mindset

I don't mind the change, but I just need to know that other things in the game is going to get balanced around it, or achievements/PvE high scores will be reset or something to balance this out.

Browiseth wrote: »

people are going to vote no because they don't want to have to change their builds/get better at the game, even if it means the game will ultimately improve in the long run

a very selfish and short sighted mindset

Here's what I see happening from this change: People who run 4-man content are going to swap out one or two Damage glyphs for Cost Reduction glyphs, throw in a couple of heavy attacks, and call it a day. Trial players are going to keep all of their Damage glyphs, and are just going to ask for more synergies to activate instead to keep their resources up. That's it. Builds are probably going to change marginally at most, nobody's really going to get better at the game, and we're going to see a slightly bigger gap between trial players and everyone else.

I don't think that any of those things really make the game better. It's just arbitrarily making players weaker, and it's going to hurt players who run pugs the hardest. It's not going to make players better at the game, they're just going to have to make a couple of tedious adjustments to make up for their characters suddenly becoming weaker. It's hardly going to change the way the game is played at all.

It's one thing if the devs were to introduce mechanics that players could overcome with good reaction time and quick decision making. It's another if the devs break everyone's legs and make us all grind for a pair of crutches.

If you require roles dedicated for your resources and you will run out within 30 seconds without them. Then it's not broken.

There are other things in PVP that is causing this to break, look at your sets ffs.

Browiseth wrote: »

people are going to vote no because they don't want to have to change their builds/get better at the game, even if it means the game will ultimately improve in the long run

a very selfish and short sighted mindset

I think the problem is not to get new Gear or adjusting the playstyle. For me as a magicka PVE player, i dont see any viable substitution in the green CP trees for Arcanist or Magician. And when i see what they try to do with Warlord (changing to break free reduction) I guess they do something similar to Magician.

It seems the main Problem ZOS have with balancing is that they want to have one big CP system for PVE and PVP, they dont want to seperate two totally different things. It would be much healthier for the game to spilt PVP and PVE apart in terms of Gear and CP system.

Well what they need a reason for group diversity besides a Templar healer. Right now there would be no reason to bring a dedicated battery or dedicated cc er or anything. So making resources an issue means well we need that synergy spamming repentance guy or we need to run resource monster helms instead of straight damage. I approve