RANT about v2.7.10

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

xSkullfox wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I read a bunch of it on the main page . Seems to have a lot to do with their ant cheat program and collecting data for this to work more efficiently . The third party company that helps with it has access to the data as well to help improve its function . Well , if this is about getting rid of cheaters as well , I'm not as upset . The data is not being sold . Might be all legit after reading .

How they wanna use the personal informations to catch cheater ?

@xSkullfox well simply put people download TP-Software to cheat. When you visit a website or download their content, they get your IP in the process and therefore, Zeni can know this IP has this software via trackers. So they can assess your gameplay to see if you have third-party software running in the meantime. If you do, then bam.

Turelus · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Now ESO will be running the same show. I'm probably being hypocritical, but I'm pretty disappointed. Instead of fixing the issues we've been having for months, and contributing to the community's overall satisfaction. They're chasing money.

Pretty sure game developers are not marketing or have anything to do with this.

This is going to be Zenimax Media's doing, they're the ones after the money.

Also here are some others, most gather data, some sell it, some don't. If this is an issue for you then raging at ZOS isn't the right place, start asking the privacy advocates in your country what you need to do.

https://bethesda.net/en/document/privacy-policy
http://store.steampowered.com/privacy_agreement/
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/privacy.html
http://www2.ea.com/privacy-policy

When your iPhone breaks do mail JohnDoe123@apple.com to complain? No apple needs to deal with that. Not him. I know how to opt out. My issue is not giving them my information. ESO has my info and they can have any data on me, I don't mind at all. I don't mind if they direct market my screen full, as long as they focused on actually fixing things we've been relentlessly asking for months if not years while they do it, which unfortunately, isn't the case today.

They are fixing stuff though, they have stated as much. Your complaint (which isn't wrong) is it's not being fixed fast enough.

They even made a point to say in the patch notes today things are being worked on.

idk · March 2017

*grabs popcorn

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Also whilst you're all attentive and alarmed.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

This is what should really worry you if you're in the US. Read it, find counter articles about it, educate yourself.

I will stop with my semi-political, privacy activist ranting now.

Enjoy folks and remember, stay educated!

@Turelus DILLIGAF? Couldn't care less as mentioned in my previous comment. It's not about the info they're using, it's that they're focusing on marketing and filling their databases instead of improving their product.

Turelus · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Also whilst you're all attentive and alarmed.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

This is what should really worry you if you're in the US. Read it, find counter articles about it, educate yourself.

I will stop with my semi-political, privacy activist ranting now.

Enjoy folks and remember, stay educated!

Turelus DILLIGAF? Couldn't care less as mentioned in my previous comment. It's not about the info they're using, it's that they're focusing on marketing and filling their databases instead of fi

Someone hit post too early.

Again and let's take a step back and think clearly now. Is the person gathering and using this data working in coding and bug fixing for ZOS.

Do we all really believe that ESO Developers are the ones using this? Or do we want to be honest here and say "okay, I am annoyed my issue wasn't fixed this week, why is it taking this much time ZOS?" and not try and use an unrelated change to fuel posting.

Jimboo84 · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

how is this actually hurting you?

if this game stays alive through third party marketing, thats only through the launcher, well im all in

Don't know about you but I'm investing time and money into a game I want to help grow and be part of. Why should I keep my subscription if they're going to spam me with advertising and ignore all my /bug requests /complaints?

I've the same thoughts about the complaints and bug requests. Plus, they should handle requests from their own mindset and not always using templates to "resolve" a issue which doesn't fix it.
Advertising should be disabled for everyone, subbed or not.
If people want something they'll just search for it.

In the past I've made a lot of complaints, in the hope they would improve the game. Some things are fixed, but many other things not. From the moment they started using templates instead of replying as a human I never filed any ticket to them.

Turelus · March 2017

Jimboo84 wrote: »

I've the same thoughts about the complaints and bug requests. Plus, they should handle requests from their own mindset and not always using templates to "resolve" a issue which doesn't fix it.
Advertising should be disabled for everyone, subbed or not.
If people want something they'll just search for it.

In the past I've made a lot of complaints, in the hope they would improve the game. Some things are fixed, but many other things not. From the moment they started using templates instead of replying as a human I never filed any ticket to them.

Support tickets =/= bug reports. The bug reports go to ZOS Developers, the support tickets go to out of house support companies.

Bug reports are only helpful if ZOS can recreate the bug themselves, meaning detailed and clear information is needed. Even if it seems simple it doesn't mean they can recreate it themselves (as described on ESO Live last Friday with console trials issues).

I am not defending ZOS in that they take a long time to get a fix out, but people need to understand what's required of a bug report more than forums posts of rage with no information.

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Also whilst you're all attentive and alarmed.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

This is what should really worry you if you're in the US. Read it, find counter articles about it, educate yourself.

I will stop with my semi-political, privacy activist ranting now.

Enjoy folks and remember, stay educated!

Turelus DILLIGAF? Couldn't care less as mentioned in my previous comment. It's not about the info they're using, it's that they're focusing on marketing and filling their databases instead of fi

Someone hit post too early.

Again and let's take a step back and think clearly now. Is the person gathering and using this data working in coding and bug fixing for ZOS.

Do we all really believe that ESO Developers are the ones using this? Or do we want to be honest here and say "okay, I am annoyed my issue wasn't fixed this week, why is it taking this much time ZOS?" and not try and use an unrelated change to fuel posting.

Yeah enter-happy fingers.

Let me make myself clear. I do not care that their developers are not working for their marketing team. I do not care that they are collecting my information, everyone does that.

I do care about the fact that instead of shutting down the server to update it with fixed content, they're building in TP marketing into their software. I do care about the fact that we have been submitting reports for months if not years about issues that they're fruitlessly 'still working on'. Last week's bugs will only be fixed 2 years from now, so I'm not to *** about those yet.

So let's be honest here, and stop trying to disintegrate my argument by condescendingly strawmanning it whilst putting words in my mouth. Yeah?

Sharee · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

I do care about the fact that instead of shutting down the server to update it with fixed content, they're building in TP marketing into their software.

How do you know they are doing this instead of? Maybe they are doing both at once? Different people on different projects? And the former maybe is not yet ready?

Turelus · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Also whilst you're all attentive and alarmed.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

This is what should really worry you if you're in the US. Read it, find counter articles about it, educate yourself.

I will stop with my semi-political, privacy activist ranting now.

Enjoy folks and remember, stay educated!

Turelus DILLIGAF? Couldn't care less as mentioned in my previous comment. It's not about the info they're using, it's that they're focusing on marketing and filling their databases instead of fi

Someone hit post too early.

Again and let's take a step back and think clearly now. Is the person gathering and using this data working in coding and bug fixing for ZOS.

Do we all really believe that ESO Developers are the ones using this? Or do we want to be honest here and say "okay, I am annoyed my issue wasn't fixed this week, why is it taking this much time ZOS?" and not try and use an unrelated change to fuel posting.

Yeah enter-happy fingers.

Let me make myself clear. I do not care that their developers are not working for their marketing team. I do not care that they are collecting my information, everyone does that.

I do care about the fact that instead of shutting down the server to update it with fixed content, they're building in TP marketing into their software. I do care about the fact that we have been submitting reports for months if not years about issues that they're fruitlessly 'still working on'. Last week's bugs will only be fixed 2 years from now, so I'm not to *** about those yet.

So let's be honest here, and stop trying to disintegrate my argument by condescendingly strawmanning it whilst putting words in my mouth. Yeah?

Wasn't my intent to stawman.

I understand and agree with your frustration, but my point being made is everyone jumps onto the band wagon of "they did a think that's not my thing, RAGE POST!" these days.

Normally this is X fix being done but Y fix not being done, this week however because there were not other real fixed everyone is taking the Privacy Policy changes and trying to argue ZOS doesn't fix their game because they're more focused on money via this.

Which doesn't really make much sense, ZOS have on ESO Live and again today in the patch notes made note of issues currently being worked on, however if they're not ready they're not ready.

But let's all call a duck a duck and complain about the actual issues and not try to use privacy policy changes as some kind of reason as to their failure to deploy a desired fix.

Sharee · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

But let's all call a duck a duck and complain about the actual issues and not try to use privacy policy changes as some kind of reason as to their failure to deploy a desired fix.

Well at least the thread title is honest

Blacksmoke · March 2017

Lol you still submit bug reports? Give up on that ZoS won't read them they will send an automated response then throw t in the garbage stop wasting your time

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO we direct marketers love using social media as a source of personal data.

Thank you for your detailed answer, but unfortunately, it doesn't answer my question. I know that social medias spy on us all the time. My question was rather if ESO could and would grab and resell personal info from me EVEN if I don't use social media and I don't use combined logins.

I have no Facebook account. I have no Youtube account. I have a Twitter account which does not include my real name. I have a ZOS account which does not reflect either my real name nor my Twitter name. ZOS knows my real name because that's the one on my credit card and it's on my past billing information. I have a Steam account with which I bought ESO but with yet another name. I never let Steam run on my PC and I bypass it to log in into ESO. I have a Google/gmail account because there's nearly no way around it nowadays. It has yet other IDs and credentials than ESO or Twitter accounts.

In that configuration, are the current technologies able to combine all of this to get my complete profile and resell it to some advertiser ?
That would be my question :-)

Nestor · March 2017

I subscribe. I am against receiving any ads in the game, third party or otherwise.

maboleth · March 2017

With all the bugs introduced with homestead not being fixed, 105 euro houses and half-baked items of crown crates, they are making this game so sad. The only thing I regret now is my 6 months subscription. Before I used 3 month scheme and that was far more cost effective. This way I cancelled my subscription with having 4 months lingering here, money going down the drain. This is the last time.

Turelus · March 2017

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Lol you still submit bug reports? Give up on that ZoS won't read them they will send an automated response then throw t in the garbage stop wasting your time

Now we know why nothing ever gets fixed at least.

Player: ZOS WHY HAVEN'T YOU FIXED THIS ISSUE?
ZOS: What issue? No one reported any issues.
Player: It's been in the game two years, how can you not know?
ZOS: Well if no one tells us it's an issue then...

Blacksmoke · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Blacksmoke wrote: »

Lol you still submit bug reports? Give up on that ZoS won't read them they will send an automated response then throw t in the garbage stop wasting your time

Now we know why nothing ever gets fixed at least.

Player: ZOS WHY HAVEN'T YOU FIXED THIS ISSUE?
ZOS: What issue? No one reported any issues.
Player: It's been in the game two years, how can you not know?
ZOS: Well if no one tells us it's an issue then...

Yes and Isseus that have been around for years and have been reported and complained about at least a hundred times arent fixed either so it doesnt matter.

xSkullfox · March 2017

Cancelled my subscription

The worst is nobody from the ZOS cares, no answer, no statement, they give a shít about the players.
Only yea were working on it(since years), but we added more overpriced stuff to the crown store for the future.

Earthewen · March 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I need to know what that crap is . I hate third party advertising and spam in my email .

I sounds to me as if this company WANTS to kill this game. Third-party marketing in a game?!!! Seriously? I'd really like to understand how giving access to yet another party will 1) Help the lag issues that have blossomed while running through an empty field, 2) Help me and team enjoy the game more before we bail on the game and leave as a complete guild, which has happened already on a number of occasions.

Turelus · March 2017

xSkullfox wrote: »

Cancelled my subscription

The worst is nobody from the ZOS cares, no answer, no statement, they give a shít about the players.
Only yea were working on it(since years), but we added more overpriced stuff to the crown store for the future.

xSkullfox · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

xSkullfox wrote: »

Cancelled my subscription

The worst is nobody from the ZOS cares, no answer, no statement, they give a shít about the players.
Only yea were working on it(since years), but we added more overpriced stuff to the crown store for the future.

Turelus · March 2017

xSkullfox wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

xSkullfox wrote: »

Cancelled my subscription

The worst is nobody from the ZOS cares, no answer, no statement, they give a shít about the players.
Only yea were working on it(since years), but we added more overpriced stuff to the crown store for the future.

Looks Photoshopped.

xSkullfox · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

xSkullfox wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

xSkullfox wrote: »

Cancelled my subscription

The worst is nobody from the ZOS cares, no answer, no statement, they give a shít about the players.
Only yea were working on it(since years), but we added more overpriced stuff to the crown store for the future.

Looks Photoshopped.

Magdalina · March 2017

xSkullfox wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

xSkullfox wrote: »

Cancelled my subscription

The worst is nobody from the ZOS cares, no answer, no statement, they give a shít about the players.
Only yea were working on it(since years), but we added more overpriced stuff to the crown store for the future.

Hahahahahaha. While I don't think it's something ZOS'd ever really do(they aren't THAT dumb), that was hilarious XD Thanks for the laugh lol.

DRXHarbinger · March 2017

Good thing they can't reach me via XBL via a game. Don't think Microsoft would have it either. They'd charge zos for it. Good times for pauper console spec.

CaffeinatedMayhem · March 2017

It seems the community managers (@ZOS_GinaBurano) could have avoided a lot of player outrage by linking or copy-pasta the 3rd party privacy into the patch notes. So players could easily READ that it applies to the website only.

Turelus · March 2017

thatlaurachick wrote: »

It seems the community managers (ZOS_GinaBurano) could have avoided a lot of player outrage by linking or copy-pasta the 3rd party privacy into the patch notes. So players could easily READ that it applies to the website only.

People forgot how to do that around the same time common sense and critical thinking was thrown out.

sirston · March 2017

something Like this seems real.

sirston · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

From the Privacy Policy.

This is what it is, you just needed to go and read it yourself.

Third Party Advertising

We partner with a third party ad network to either display advertising on our website or to manage our advertising on other websites. Our ad network partners use cookies, web beacons and other tools to collect information about your activities on this and other websites, as well as your IP address and location information, to provide you targeted advertising based upon your interests and to evaluate the success of their advertising.

You may opt-out of receiving targeted ads from many third-party ad networks, including those operated by members of the Network Advertising Initiative ("NAI") and the Digital Advertising Alliance ("DAA"). For more information regarding this practice by NAI members and DAA members, and your choices regarding having this information used by participating companies, including how to opt-out of third-party ad networks operated by NAI and DAA members, please visit their respective websites: www.networkadvertising.org/optout_nonppii.asp (NAI) and www.aboutads.info/choices (DAA). If you are in the European Union, go to www.youronlinechoices.eu for information about your choices with respect to third party advertising, including instructions on how to opt out of participating ad networks. Please note that opting out of participating ad networks does not opt you out of being served advertising. You will continue to receive generic or "contextual" ads. You may also continue to receive targeted ads on other websites, from companies that do not participate in the above programs.

On some of our websites, we may allow third-parties to serve ads. When you view or click on an ad a cookie will be set to help better provide advertisements that may be of interest to you on this and other websites. You may be able to opt-out of the use of this cookie by visiting that company's privacy page.

Lol and even if you op out they don't stop sending you ad's they stop sending you localized ad's.

Opting out does not mean you will no longer receive online advertising. It does mean that the NAI member company or companies from which you opted out will no longer customize ads based on your interests and web usage patterns using cookie-based technology on your browser.

what a ****ing joke....

Masel · March 2017

thatlaurachick wrote: »

It seems the community managers (@ZOS_GinaBurano) could have avoided a lot of player outrage by linking or copy-pasta the 3rd party privacy into the patch notes. So players could easily READ that it applies to the website only.

Thank you! An enlightened soul in a sea of morons. Reading is too much to ask apparently. If ZoS gets more money by placing a few ads on their website, so be it.

The non-fixing and non-mention of certain bugs annoys me as well though, especially that vMA staff bug in groups....