RANT about v2.7.10

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

So we've been submitting bug reports for months. Trials are still buggy. Group Finder is still broken beyond belief. Heck my character is still running around with half-of her body underground.
Monster shoulders are still >1% chance RNG. Dungeon drops is still higher in-slot than 9 trait crafting that takes years to be able to make.
But "This patch largely contains a number of fixes for unreleased and future content that is not yet available, including things for future in-game holidays and events, so don’t worry! You’ll see it one day. We are still working on fixes for a number of reported issues including those with the Grouping Tool, issues surrounding Bolt Escape, and more."

2 seasons of crown crates. Homestead houses that cost more than Mass Effect Andromeda. 39.99 EUR for Morrowind which should have been accessible to subscribers.
But "and we've added a section for third party marketing"?

Am I being unreasonable or is this actually okay?

Artemiisia · March 2017

how is this actually hurting you?

if this game stays alive through third party marketing, thats only through the launcher, well im all in

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

I need to know what that crap is . I hate third party advertising and spam in my email .

Tabbycat · March 2017

ESO+ subscribers should never see third party marketing.

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

how is this actually hurting you?

if this game stays alive through third party marketing, thats only through the launcher, well im all in

Why does a game that got MMO of the year need to stay alive ? That sounds like a load .

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

how is this actually hurting you?

if this game stays alive through third party marketing, thats only through the launcher, well im all in

Don't know about you but I'm investing time and money into a game I want to help grow and be part of. Why should I keep my subscription if they're going to spam me with advertising and ignore all my /bug requests /complaints?

Turelus · March 2017

From the Privacy Policy.

This is what it is, you just needed to go and read it yourself.

Third Party Advertising

We partner with a third party ad network to either display advertising on our website or to manage our advertising on other websites. Our ad network partners use cookies, web beacons and other tools to collect information about your activities on this and other websites, as well as your IP address and location information, to provide you targeted advertising based upon your interests and to evaluate the success of their advertising.

You may opt-out of receiving targeted ads from many third-party ad networks, including those operated by members of the Network Advertising Initiative ("NAI") and the Digital Advertising Alliance ("DAA"). For more information regarding this practice by NAI members and DAA members, and your choices regarding having this information used by participating companies, including how to opt-out of third-party ad networks operated by NAI and DAA members, please visit their respective websites: www.networkadvertising.org/optout_nonppii.asp (NAI) and www.aboutads.info/choices (DAA). If you are in the European Union, go to www.youronlinechoices.eu for information about your choices with respect to third party advertising, including instructions on how to opt out of participating ad networks. Please note that opting out of participating ad networks does not opt you out of being served advertising. You will continue to receive generic or "contextual" ads. You may also continue to receive targeted ads on other websites, from companies that do not participate in the above programs.

On some of our websites, we may allow third-parties to serve ads. When you view or click on an ad a cookie will be set to help better provide advertisements that may be of interest to you on this and other websites. You may be able to opt-out of the use of this cookie by visiting that company's privacy page.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2017

I read the "3rd party" stuff in the new text.
It's about letting us sign in with our IDs from other services such as Facebook.
As long as we don't use any automated sign ins via such services, and login only to ESO via ZOS, we should be fine.

That being said, it means that there's an agreement between ZOS and Facebook, that alone I dislike. From now on, I'll consider all my ESO data to be public (and sold) and I will manage it accordingly.

ZOS, you're behaving more and more like some crappy F2P mobile app.

Thorvarg · March 2017

We are not interested in hearing what you think about it

Regards

Zenimax

Mady · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

39.99 EUR for Morrowind which should have been accessible to subscribers.[/b]

lol no.

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I read the "3rd party" stuff in the new text.
It's about letting us sign in with our IDs from other services such as Facebook.
As long as we don't use any automated sign ins via such services, and login only to ESO via ZOS, we should be fine.

That being said, it means that there's an agreement between ZOS and Facebook, that alone I dislike. From now on, I'll consider all my ESO data to be public (and sold) and I will manage it accordingly.

@anitajoneb17_ESO I work in advertising. Third party marketing means they'll be collecting our personal data, including what we do on other websites, and IP address and other data they can get their hands on to do direct marketing. Wether it's from ZOS or their partners.

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

From the Privacy Policy.

This is what it is, you just needed to go and read it yourself.

Third Party Advertising

We partner with a third party ad network to either display advertising on our website or to manage our advertising on other websites. Our ad network partners use cookies, web beacons and other tools to collect information about your activities on this and other websites, as well as your IP address and location information, to provide you targeted advertising based upon your interests and to evaluate the success of their advertising.

You may opt-out of receiving targeted ads from many third-party ad networks, including those operated by members of the Network Advertising Initiative ("NAI") and the Digital Advertising Alliance ("DAA"). For more information regarding this practice by NAI members and DAA members, and your choices regarding having this information used by participating companies, including how to opt-out of third-party ad networks operated by NAI and DAA members, please visit their respective websites: www.networkadvertising.org/optout_nonppii.asp (NAI) and www.aboutads.info/choices (DAA). If you are in the European Union, go to www.youronlinechoices.eu for information about your choices with respect to third party advertising, including instructions on how to opt out of participating ad networks. Please note that opting out of participating ad networks does not opt you out of being served advertising. You will continue to receive generic or "contextual" ads. You may also continue to receive targeted ads on other websites, from companies that do not participate in the above programs.

On some of our websites, we may allow third-parties to serve ads. When you view or click on an ad a cookie will be set to help better provide advertisements that may be of interest to you on this and other websites. You may be able to opt-out of the use of this cookie by visiting that company's privacy page.

Oh great we get ads no matter what . This game must be failing to need that garbage to stay alive . I figured free to play would hit before ads from other games .

HatchetHaro · March 2017

The value of ESO just keeps getting lower and lower and I'm feeling more and more cheated at my purchase and support.

Turelus · March 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

From the Privacy Policy.

This is what it is, you just needed to go and read it yourself.

Third Party Advertising

We partner with a third party ad network to either display advertising on our website or to manage our advertising on other websites. Our ad network partners use cookies, web beacons and other tools to collect information about your activities on this and other websites, as well as your IP address and location information, to provide you targeted advertising based upon your interests and to evaluate the success of their advertising.

You may opt-out of receiving targeted ads from many third-party ad networks, including those operated by members of the Network Advertising Initiative ("NAI") and the Digital Advertising Alliance ("DAA"). For more information regarding this practice by NAI members and DAA members, and your choices regarding having this information used by participating companies, including how to opt-out of third-party ad networks operated by NAI and DAA members, please visit their respective websites: www.networkadvertising.org/optout_nonppii.asp (NAI) and www.aboutads.info/choices (DAA). If you are in the European Union, go to www.youronlinechoices.eu for information about your choices with respect to third party advertising, including instructions on how to opt out of participating ad networks. Please note that opting out of participating ad networks does not opt you out of being served advertising. You will continue to receive generic or "contextual" ads. You may also continue to receive targeted ads on other websites, from companies that do not participate in the above programs.

On some of our websites, we may allow third-parties to serve ads. When you view or click on an ad a cookie will be set to help better provide advertisements that may be of interest to you on this and other websites. You may be able to opt-out of the use of this cookie by visiting that company's privacy page.

Oh great we get ads no matter what . This game must be failing to need that garbage to stay alive . I figured free to play would hit before ads from other games .

I don't think this is looking to be adds in game or via the launcher. I don't think they could get away with that without killing the game.
This is the kind of privacy statement everyone has these days and everyone does this rubbish, hell there is even a bill trying to be passed in the US to allow ISP's to sell browsing data. There is money in peoples personal information and you've giving it away any time you use any website or service.

As for if they added advertising on their site, well AdBlock Plus + No Script, lolz rekt xxx.

ChuckyPayne · March 2017

New in-game holidays and events. I like it.

Third party section? What does it mean?
During loading screen we will see advertisements? I don't care if it is not lorebreaking ^^. Some keyboard etc is ok, but no viagra and random google *** pls.

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

From the Privacy Policy.

This is what it is, you just needed to go and read it yourself.

Third Party Advertising

We partner with a third party ad network to either display advertising on our website or to manage our advertising on other websites. Our ad network partners use cookies, web beacons and other tools to collect information about your activities on this and other websites, as well as your IP address and location information, to provide you targeted advertising based upon your interests and to evaluate the success of their advertising.

You may opt-out of receiving targeted ads from many third-party ad networks, including those operated by members of the Network Advertising Initiative ("NAI") and the Digital Advertising Alliance ("DAA"). For more information regarding this practice by NAI members and DAA members, and your choices regarding having this information used by participating companies, including how to opt-out of third-party ad networks operated by NAI and DAA members, please visit their respective websites: www.networkadvertising.org/optout_nonppii.asp (NAI) and www.aboutads.info/choices (DAA). If you are in the European Union, go to www.youronlinechoices.eu for information about your choices with respect to third party advertising, including instructions on how to opt out of participating ad networks. Please note that opting out of participating ad networks does not opt you out of being served advertising. You will continue to receive generic or "contextual" ads. You may also continue to receive targeted ads on other websites, from companies that do not participate in the above programs.

On some of our websites, we may allow third-parties to serve ads. When you view or click on an ad a cookie will be set to help better provide advertisements that may be of interest to you on this and other websites. You may be able to opt-out of the use of this cookie by visiting that company's privacy page.

Oh great we get ads no matter what . This game must be failing to need that garbage to stay alive . I figured free to play would hit before ads from other games .

I don't think this is looking to be adds in game or via the launcher. I don't think they could get away with that without killing the game.
This is the kind of privacy statement everyone has these days and everyone does this rubbish, hell there is even a bill trying to be passed in the US to allow ISP's to sell browsing data. There is money in peoples personal information and you've giving it away any time you use any website or service.

As for if they added advertising on their site, well AdBlock Plus + No Script, lolz rekt xxx.

ZOS goes for the money before even patching what's broken Ingame right now . Another skipped maintenance and a xtra gig of hard drive space for crap . I bet the consol users really appreciate that . Delete more games to make room for eso advertisings partners ... Lame .

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO I work in advertising. Third party marketing means they'll be collecting our personal data, including what we do on other websites, and IP address and other data they can get their hands on to do direct marketing. Wether it's from ZOS or their partners.

Even if we don't sign in via third parties logins ?
I mean, if my ESO ID is AAAA and my Twitter ID is BBBB and I don't even have a Facebook account, ZOS can manage to link my ESO identity to my Twitter identity, relate it to my real-life and billing information stored at ZOS, and sell the entire package to Facebook ?

Turelus · March 2017

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

New in-game holidays and events. I like it.

Third party section? What does it mean?
During loading screen we will see advertisements? I don't care if it is not lorebreaking ^^. Some keyboard etc is ok, but no viagra and random google *** pls.

Event will be Jesters Festival most likely.

As for advertising I doubt this has anything to do with ESO specifically. They're just going to use cookies and try and get targetted adds up on other sites, I doubt they need add revenue in the game or on the ESO site and they would only harm their game if they did.

They're not THAT stupid.

Full statement is at the bottom of the forums or here: https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/privacy-policy

danno8 · March 2017

People these days really need to learn to be more selective in their outrage.

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO I work in advertising. Third party marketing means they'll be collecting our personal data, including what we do on other websites, and IP address and other data they can get their hands on to do direct marketing. Wether it's from ZOS or their partners.

Even if we don't sign in via third parties logins ?
I mean, if my ESO ID is AAAA and my Twitter ID is BBBB and I don't even have a Facebook account, ZOS can manage to link my ESO identity to my Twitter identity, relate it to my real-life and billing information stored at ZOS, and sell the entire package to Facebook ?

@anitajoneb17_ESO we direct marketers love using social media as a source of personal data. FB knows everything about you. Everything, I'm not kidding. What you're interests are. Do you drink/party. Do you like movies more than books. Where you live. Activities you love doing. What your friends are into. What you do with your friends. How far they can push you into engaging with advertising before you close everything. I can go on all day. This information is valuable, but also so easy to get as everyone pretty much gives it away.

Now ESO will be running the same show. I'm probably being hypocritical, but I'm pretty disappointed. Instead of fixing the issues we've been having for months, and contributing to the community's overall satisfaction. They're chasing money.

Turelus · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Now ESO will be running the same show. I'm probably being hypocritical, but I'm pretty disappointed. Instead of fixing the issues we've been having for months, and contributing to the community's overall satisfaction. They're chasing money.

Pretty sure game developers are not marketing or have anything to do with this.

This is going to be Zenimax Media's doing, they're the ones after the money.

Also here are some others, most gather data, some sell it, some don't. If this is an issue for you then raging at ZOS isn't the right place, start asking the privacy advocates in your country what you need to do.

https://bethesda.net/en/document/privacy-policy
http://store.steampowered.com/privacy_agreement/
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/privacy.html
http://www2.ea.com/privacy-policy

Naerri · March 2017

I can see it clearly now. New breed of addons is upon us. Ingame pop-up blockers.

[Deleted User] · March 2017

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xSkullfox · March 2017

Or netches with advertisement banners.

zaria · March 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I read the "3rd party" stuff in the new text.
It's about letting us sign in with our IDs from other services such as Facebook.
As long as we don't use any automated sign ins via such services, and login only to ESO via ZOS, we should be fine.

That being said, it means that there's an agreement between ZOS and Facebook, that alone I dislike. From now on, I'll consider all my ESO data to be public (and sold) and I will manage it accordingly.

ZOS, you're behaving more and more like some crappy F2P mobile app.

ESO will start to auto post your death recap on FB. Better start getting careful around mudcrabs.

Naerri · March 2017

Just do it!

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

I read a bunch of it on the main page . Seems to have a lot to do with their ant cheat program and collecting data for this to work more efficiently . The third party company that helps with it has access to the data as well to help improve its function . Well , if this is about getting rid of cheaters as well , I'm not as upset . The data is not being sold . Might be all legit after reading .

zaria · March 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO I work in advertising. Third party marketing means they'll be collecting our personal data, including what we do on other websites, and IP address and other data they can get their hands on to do direct marketing. Wether it's from ZOS or their partners.

Even if we don't sign in via third parties logins ?
I mean, if my ESO ID is AAAA and my Twitter ID is BBBB and I don't even have a Facebook account, ZOS can manage to link my ESO identity to my Twitter identity, relate it to my real-life and billing information stored at ZOS, and sell the entire package to Facebook ?

@anitajoneb17_ESO we direct marketers love using social media as a source of personal data. FB knows everything about you. Everything, I'm not kidding. What you're interests are. Do you drink/party. Do you like movies more than books. Where you live. Activities you love doing. What your friends are into. What you do with your friends. How far they can push you into engaging with advertising before you close everything. I can go on all day. This information is valuable, but also so easy to get as everyone pretty much gives it away.

Now ESO will be running the same show. I'm probably being hypocritical, but I'm pretty disappointed. Instead of fixing the issues we've been having for months, and contributing to the community's overall satisfaction. They're chasing money.

Facebook know I like cat videos not much more
Google is worse, starting google ESO stuff and you get adds for gold sellers.

Pixel_Zealot · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Now ESO will be running the same show. I'm probably being hypocritical, but I'm pretty disappointed. Instead of fixing the issues we've been having for months, and contributing to the community's overall satisfaction. They're chasing money.

Pretty sure game developers are not marketing or have anything to do with this.

This is going to be Zenimax Media's doing, they're the ones after the money.

Also here are some others, most gather data, some sell it, some don't. If this is an issue for you then raging at ZOS isn't the right place, start asking the privacy advocates in your country what you need to do.

https://bethesda.net/en/document/privacy-policy
http://store.steampowered.com/privacy_agreement/
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/privacy.html
http://www2.ea.com/privacy-policy

When your iPhone breaks do mail JohnDoe123@apple.com to complain? No apple needs to deal with that. Not him. I know how to opt out. My issue is not giving them my information. ESO has my info and they can have any data on me, I don't mind at all. I don't mind if they direct market my screen full, as long as they focused on actually fixing things we've been relentlessly asking for months if not years while they do it, which unfortunately, isn't the case today.

xSkullfox · March 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I read a bunch of it on the main page . Seems to have a lot to do with their ant cheat program and collecting data for this to work more efficiently . The third party company that helps with it has access to the data as well to help improve its function . Well , if this is about getting rid of cheaters as well , I'm not as upset . The data is not being sold . Might be all legit after reading .

How they wanna use the personal informations to catch cheater ?

Turelus · March 2017

Also whilst you're all attentive and alarmed.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/gop-senators-new-bill-would-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-data/

This is what should really worry you if you're in the US. Read it, find counter articles about it, educate yourself.

I will stop with my semi-political, privacy activist ranting now.

Enjoy folks and remember, stay educated!