Would you like to see Craglorn-style "group" content in Morrowind?

Khami · March 2017

No

No, I absolutely hate Craglorn. Leveling zones should never ever be forced group content.

Since the change, I'm slowly getting quests done there, but overall, bad zone.

ADarklore · March 2017

No

ZOS has already said they have no plans to add any more 'group' zones because of the failure that Craglorn was... and only "12 people visited it" was a joke told by ZOS at one of their events overseas.

psxfloh · March 2017

Yes

Definitely yes!

And to all the no-voters: OP didn't ask for the whole Morrowind Expansion to be "group content", only if group content should be a part of Morrowind.

So 80-90% could be your "solo friendly MMO" for new players.. while a small part of it could be more of a challenge for experienced players.

And better yet: likely all the "new players" would want to play all of their "new game", so they would try harder content and bloody their noses.. hopefully inspiring them to improve and become better players before joining vet-dungeons with 5k dps, no clue why and how to block heavy attacks and why they should move out of the ***** red!

Edit: I have to add a little 'no' for forced group content, like "you need four ppl to stand on all of the for switches at once"-***, which was the main reason I never finished the craglorn storyline before the craglorn reset..

Cherryblossom · March 2017

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I recently played through Orsinium for the first time (on my CP 400+ character). However, I was disappointed by how easy all the content was. I breezed through all the quests in a few hours because I could just run through everything without taking damage and then 1-shot the bosses. Only reason it took even that long was because I listen to all the dialogue.

The story was great, but the gameplay was severely lacking.

Then I decided to give Craglorn a try. I was pleasantly surprised by the "group" content which actually presented a little bit of a challenge (for a solo player). The bosses take more than a few hits to take down, and they have actual 1-shot mechanics of their own so you need to be careful. The fights aren't difficult by any means, but at least I need to stay alert as I play through them.

Would anyone else like more of this type of content in Morrowind?

I'm afraid that if we just get our usual "casual" content, that anyone who has a CP character will breeze through the entire expansion in a few hours.

Voted No, because I don't want their forced group content, but more challenging would be nice.

efster · March 2017

No

Forced grouping is horrible. The current Craglorn is fine, with some parts (anomalies, celestial rifts, etc) being significantly easier if you aren't solo -- but they are still complete-able by solo players who enjoy a challenge. When you literally couldn't progress in Craglorn because you needed 3 bodies to stand on pads to open a door -- even if you were capable of soloing every NPC pack and boss prior to reaching those pads -- that was not fun at all, and it turned Craglorn into a ghost town as soon as nirncrux became irrelevant for endgame builds.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

No

Simple reason - this "group" content is not supported by "dungeon finder".

Kay1 · March 2017

Yes

But too many casuals in this game who go full questing, I will never understand it but the majority win, I can't complain

Vildebill · March 2017

Yes

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

If I recall correctly, Wrothgar was a far more popular dlc zone than Craglorn. People complained they couldn't find groups to complete Craglorn because other players had already completed the quests and weren't willing to do it again. So anyone new to the zone was pretty much SOL. It changed for the better with One Tamriel but not enough, in my opinion.

You can solo all the content in Craglorn right now (not sure if that was always the case). The group stuff is just more difficult, which is the point I am trying to make.

I play overworld content in this game solo, and I'd like some challenging solo content.

You could solo Craglorn before the nerf as well, you just needed some help standing on platforms in a couple of quests.

I loved Craglorn when it was new, the only problem with it was the different quest stages that locked you from completing and playing with people. Too bad not so many people did like it as I did, that's why we're not having Murkmire now :P

Prof_Bawbag · March 2017

Group content is fabulous when something is new and shiny, but complete trash further down the road when the rest of us have bashed through the content and it no longer interests us. Next to no one wanted to venture into Craglorn to help noobs because there wasn't anything in it for many people. Been there, done it and seen it was the attitude.

Amazed how many people simply see it from their own perspective and take the attitude to hell with everyone else. Seriously, half of you complaining about the game being geared towards casuals ever help those newcomers who would ask politely in the likes of Mournhold for a team to help them through Craglorn or did you just ignore them and carry on spamming your AoE's instead? From my experience, it was the latter. Why? Because I too was once one of those new players and got little or no help. No one was interested because it was a chore with little or no reward.

Rather than sit there stroking your own egos calling the rest of us casuals maybe help those casuals you love to look down on and maybe you would get the content you desire too. After all, it's true what they say, you will get out what you put in. Those who sat and helped no one have no one other than themselves to blame for Craglorn being overhauled.

vesariusb16_ESO · March 2017

Yes

Why not both? Have a normal version and a veteran version of the zones? Seriously the best solo content in the game right now is maelstrom arena ( in my opinion )

If it's technologically feasible, I'd like to see 2 versions of morrowind areas. One normal and one veteran.

KerinKor · March 2017

No

The less 1990s group-or-die content the better, I play ESO 'cos it's a poor substitute for the real TES 6, have no interest in most group stuff and even less in PVP.

blabliblargh · March 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Blacksmoke wrote: »

No please o.O Havent even done anything in Craglorn yet because of this

It's all soloable if you are a high enough level. I've completed all of the group content with my CP 400+ character. It's not particularly difficult either, just hard enough to keep you alert. You should try it.
It's a lot more fun than normal delves and public dungeons.

I concur 100%.
I'm currently in the process of soloing Craglorn group content at CP200 and it's been fun and challenging. At this stage I can beat some group delves bosses, but some of them with particular mechanics still destroy me and requires higher CP.
I've also been able to complete a few group quests, unless I meet a boss too strong for now. Overland bosses (triggered by portal) and mine bosses still destroyed me last time I tried. And I'm not even talking of anomalies.

After experiencing this, it sure makes regular questing too easy. I leveled up completing the Daggerfall covenant zones and I'm really considering creating a new character for starting another faction quest line and zones, to make combat more interesting.

It's clear that regular questing content is not designed for powerful (CP) characters.

Mathius_Mordred · March 2017

No

No, not a chance. If you want more of a challenge then equip gear with lower stats.

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO · March 2017

No

As a solo player who enjoys taking my time through things absolutely not. I never even entered Craglorn until they changed it to be more solo friendly and i still havent done half of whats in there because its group content.

One can group up and do the solo content if they prefer social stuff, but dont force people who dont WANT to group to do so or miss out on content, expecially if its going to be paid for as opposed to a free dlc/update/patch.

Jeremy · March 2017

Yes

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I recently played through Orsinium for the first time (on my CP 400+ character). However, I was disappointed by how easy all the content was. I breezed through all the quests in a few hours because I could just run through everything without taking damage and then 1-shot the bosses. Only reason it took even that long was because I listen to all the dialogue.

The story was great, but the gameplay was severely lacking.

Then I decided to give Craglorn a try. I was pleasantly surprised by the "group" content which actually presented a little bit of a challenge (for a solo player). The bosses take more than a few hits to take down, and they have actual 1-shot mechanics of their own so you need to be careful. The fights aren't difficult by any means, but at least I need to stay alert as I play through them.

Would anyone else like more of this type of content in Morrowind?

I'm afraid that if we just get our usual "casual" content, that anyone who has a CP character will breeze through the entire expansion in a few hours.

I would. But I doubt it happens.

MMO games can make a lot more money by catering to those majority of players who like things easy. So people like you and me get priced out of the market. They're also a demanding bunch. For example: even a single zone designed to accommodate group-play was intolerable to them so it had to be nerfed.

idk · March 2017

No

Milvan wrote: »

Unfortunatelly, solo-casual-scrolls-online can't take content like craglorn.

@Milvan I'm certainly not a casual player and spent most of my playing time grouped in trials. The last thing I want is being forced to form 4 man groups to do the lighter content or sit around and wait for others which is exactly the poor design craglorn followed.

It's why much of craglorn changed after Zos realized the design was flawed.

Astanphaeus · March 2017

Yes

I actually miss the difficulty that old Craglorn provided to players, though I did hate the group locks that much of the content had.

MLGProPlayer · March 2017

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Unfortunatelly, solo-casual-scrolls-online can't take content like craglorn.

@Milvan I'm certainly not a casual player and spent most of my playing time grouped in trials. The last thing I want is being forced to form 4 man groups to do the lighter content or sit around and wait for others which is exactly the poor design craglorn followed.

It's why much of craglorn changed after Zos realized the design was flawed.

I'm asking for Morrowind to be more like current Craglorn. You aren't forced to group for any of that content.

MLGProPlayer · March 2017

Yes

everseeing_njpreub18_ESO wrote: »

As a solo player who enjoys taking my time through things absolutely not. I never even entered Craglorn until they changed it to be more solo friendly and i still havent done half of whats in there because its group content.

One can group up and do the solo content if they prefer social stuff, but dont force people who dont WANT to group to do so or miss out on content, expecially if its going to be paid for as opposed to a free dlc/update/patch.

The thing with current Craglorn is that you aren't forced to group. All the content is soloable. Some of it just just requires a higher level.

d0e1ow · March 2017

Yes

Hell yeah, Craglorn is fun.

MLGProPlayer · March 2017

Yes

KerinKor wrote: »

The less 1990s group-or-die content the better, I play ESO 'cos it's a poor substitute for the real TES 6, have no interest in most group stuff and even less in PVP.

The single player TES games are more challening than ESO though. If you want to emulate that experiece, why are you against more difficult solo content?

mikeabboudb14_ESO · March 2017

No

what i would like to see is more instanced delves so i can solo them with no one in them. Id honestly like the game made more solo than it is right now.Maybe like gw1 where the cities were we grouped.

Quigster · March 2017

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I recently played through Orsinium for the first time (on my CP 400+ character). However, I was disappointed by how easy all the content was. I breezed through all the quests in a few hours because I could just run through everything without taking damage and then 1-shot the bosses. Only reason it took even that long was because I listen to all the dialogue.

I have played through Orsinium on a few characters. If I recall correctly, and my memory may be fuzzy, the Delve bosses there have around 125-135K health. I am curious what ability you are using that puts out 125k damage in a single cast?

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

The story was great, but the gameplay was severely lacking.

Then I decided to give Craglorn a try. I was pleasantly surprised by the "group" content which actually presented a little bit of a challenge (for a solo player). The bosses take more than a few hits to take down, and they have actual 1-shot mechanics of their own so you need to be careful. The fights aren't difficult by any means, but at least I need to stay alert as I play through them.

Would anyone else like more of this type of content in Morrowind?

I'm afraid that if we just get our usual "casual" content, that anyone who has a CP character will breeze through the entire expansion in a few hours.

Hum, well I have seven CP level characters (590+) and I don't expect to breeze through the content. My vote was no for a variety of reasons. Others here have expanded very well on the overall failure of Craglorn. Personally, my characters run the gamut from the traditional higher DPS bow / DW to the less stellar performing Bosmer Stamplar using bow / bow. I guess I would qualify as the more casual player as I like to take things slow, gather and explore, craft, level up alts, etc. Even if I could "1-shot" a boss (still don't know what spell you are using to do that), I am not sure I would as speeding through content is just not my thing.

Soella · March 2017

Yes

I would like to see part of content outside of the main storyline more demanding.

Main story definitely should be playable for non-CP players, but a few dailies, or something like that would be great.

Lyserus · March 2017

No

Nooo Plz NO

craglorn is sooo dead and for a casual player it was a pain to find teammates and finish them together

Morrowing will go hot for sometime, but them those "team contents" will become a pain for later

Khenarthi · March 2017

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

The less 1990s group-or-die content the better, I play ESO 'cos it's a poor substitute for the real TES 6, have no interest in most group stuff and even less in PVP.

The single player TES games are more challening than ESO though. If you want to emulate that experiece, why are you against more difficult solo content?

Single player TES have a difficulty slider. You may set yours to hard, I kept mine on medium...

captainwolfos · March 2017

I wouldn't mind seeing it, though I would like the option of running things solo because I have no friends I prefer to play by myself.

KochDerDamonen · March 2017

Yes

uggggh, yessssss

Seriously please, I hope so much that there's fat world bosses or events or something other than the trial for group PvE in Morrowind. I'm so dead tired of dragging my drooling face in the dirt in overworld zones. Orsinium and Craglorn are at least interesting because you can bump into things that very few people can do alone, you can butt your head against it, ask for help, mess around in the area until someone else starts prodding it.

Just not in the main quest progression, that was hella annoying in Crag. "lele you need four people to arbitrarily stand on plates", that can burn in hell.

Milvan · March 2017

Yes

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Unfortunatelly, solo-casual-scrolls-online can't take content like craglorn.

@Milvan I'm certainly not a casual player and spent most of my playing time grouped in trials. The last thing I want is being forced to form 4 man groups to do the lighter content or sit around and wait for others which is exactly the poor design craglorn followed.

It's why much of craglorn changed after Zos realized the design was flawed.

It really saddens me that group content became "poor design" what sad days for the game industry, especially mmorpgs. Craglorn was great, the real problem of the first version of craglorn was the lack of proper reward for the difficulty.

mr_wazzabi · March 2017

No

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

If I recall correctly, Wrothgar was a far more popular dlc zone than Craglorn. People complained they couldn't find groups to complete Craglorn because other players had already completed the quests and weren't willing to do it again. So anyone new to the zone was pretty much SOL. It changed for the better with One Tamriel but not enough, in my opinion.

You can solo all the content in Craglorn right now (not sure if that was always the case). The group stuff is just more difficult, which is the point I am trying to make.

I play overworld content in this game solo, and I'd like some challenging solo content.

They nerfed craglorn overland mobs in dark brotherhood i think. Before that, overland mobs were as tough as vet dungeon mobs, so you had to be vma ready to survive on your own. The wasps used to oneshot you for 20k each light attack.

I would much rather not have an entire overland zone of vet dungeon mobs or oneshot wasps. No thanks.