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Why don't you PvP?
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Avidspark✭✭✭✭Just never enjoyed it. Tried it, have rapids, etc, and had enough of it to know it's not something I care to play.'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.
Not every PvP group sounds like that.
Yet every time I see a nerf thread it's exactly the same. Or a hate the game balance guy thread. Sounds exactly the same as what I've heard in TeamSpeak etc channels when PVPing.
Sounds to me like you just need to find a better group to PvP with.1 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't PVE because I find it just too stressful. Everyone always wants to rush through at full-speed, you can't take a break or do it in short bursts. People complain when you're too slow, or aren't performing well enough or don't know the mechanics.... Or just ragequit or collectively vote to boot you (now there's real nastiness).
Its like you have to sell yourself to get a group based on CP's/achievements - or do DPS tests in guilds, its just sooo elitist...
Not to mention the time spent trying to get a group - especially if you only have limited playtime.
Nah - with PVP I can go at my own pace, dip in and out when I want, hide and take a break anytime - if I die, so what? its not like the group wipes and its all my fault..
Can have some decent chat in /zone, a bit of banter with opponents and some interesting discussions with them on builds etc.. Its generally a decent community, but just like PVE, you get the odd bit of frustration - only difference is its in a /zone chat of many, many people as opposed to group chat of 4 - so it may seem like there's a higher proportion of whine - but there isn't, really.
Nobody complains about my gear/build/performance, nobody expects certain CP's or achievements.. people just play alongside whoever is in the vicinity - no hassle, no strings attached. Someone dies, you rezz them (or get rezzed) someone's in trouble, you heal em or pressure the attacker. .People never expect it, are always grateful for it, but are often too busy to say so...
I'll never thank people for rezzing me.. But I rezz anyone I see and expect no thanks in return... too many Bananas to kill to stop and chat!
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.
Not every PvP group sounds like that. Making a blanket generalization based on one experience doesn't mean you know what all PvPers are like.
And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)
You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.
Actually, blanket statements like that aren't entirely false, especially when you consider that the majority of PvP chat on ALL platforms has some form of complaining or insults.
Now the forums: When was the last time you saw a thread started by a player that an ability in PvE was too overpowered or a thread that complained about a teammate's DPS being "unfair" or "OP"?
Yeah, you don't see those threads because in PvE everyone got their reward - no one cares that a boss dies FASTER or the fight is EASIER. On the flip side, I can't count how many damn threads I've seen here complaining about X ability or Y build in PvP - it's nauseating. Then, to make matters worse, ZoS ruins perfectly good abilities in PvE to cater to the huge amount of PvP crying in the forums. A good example is that shield durations should have been edited onto Battle Spirit and left alone for PvE.“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”0 -
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✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »- You gave one example where one person acted like a jerk, while you "fought back" in the least effective way possible. In my view, people of your kind are way more of the problem with PVP then one jerk ganker.
No, the problem with PVP is that the population has dwindled to almost nothing. We barely have enough players for one populated campaign when we used to have ten different campaigns and epic battles all over the map 24/7, even weeknights.
We need a hell of a lot more PVE'ers to try PVP and unfortunately part of the reason fewer of them are sticking around is this huge skill / power gap compared to launch when hardly anybody knew what they were doing. Try to put yourself in their shoes. It can discourage a lot of new players getting into Cyrodiil the first time.
Hopefully there will be some kind of tutorial mode for battlegrounds, or some easier way to help new people learn how to use some basic combos, stuns, etc. Or some guilds that take time to teach beginners.
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OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.
Not every PvP group sounds like that.
Yet every time I see a nerf thread it's exactly the same. Or a hate the game balance guy thread. Sounds exactly the same as what I've heard in TeamSpeak etc channels when PVPing.
Sounds to me like you just need to find a better group to PvP with.
Maybe, but it was enough to put me right off and that's why I posted in here saying so.1 -
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However PvP players lack the understanding of PvE mechanics or builds. I've taken "only PvP" players to PvE before and they had no idea how to actually get a high and sustained DPS because they were so used to short burst combat or environmental defensive combat (line of sight).After a (irrational) outcry from the upcoming CP adjustments from much of the forum community, I keep seeing "most of us don't PvP... etc. etc."
Why?
Everyone that I've introduced into PvP that was very against it, turned out to not being against it at all. By introduced I mean I helped them to know what to expect and how to respond and what skills are needed to help emerge victorious.
Secondly, I have always been a adamant PvPer, but still enjoy "endgame" type pve. I spend 95% of my time PvPing, yet receive compliments in pve often, and I attribute that to the skills I've used and learned in PvP. Without PvP I don't believe I would be as good as I am in PvE.
It's no secrect that pvp'ers make the best pve'ers.
The situational awareness, on the fly thinking, and quickly reacting, etc. all directly translates to pve content.
you're taking the wrong pvpers in than....and you speak in absolutes....which is absurd imo......
I did my first vet trial a few months back with my full on heavy armor Magplar build as a DPS. The leader needed one more guy, so despite me telling him that I had roughly zero of the skills "needed" to do it. He reluctantly shrugged and "allowed" me to play.
A little while later we completed the speed run and he said that he couldn't believe we did it.
Moral of the story: even the hardest PVE isn't that hard if you know how to solo in Cyrodiil.1 -
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✭✭I've even had game friends PM me after they've immersed themselves in PVP for a while and all they can talk about is everything that's wrong with it. It's like instant depression.1 -
TeamGizzy✭✭✭I want to Pvp. I have tried. I do run around the Imperial City and love killing Daedra, but if I see another human player I just assume " oh here comes my death "
I think I'll just wait others to get involved in a pve battle and ill sneak in there and take them down. Gotta do what I can...Baskin Robins always finds out.....0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Really? It seems like the ESO Forums bring out the worst in people.
In Cyrodiil, I am surrounded by friends, guildies and allies having a good time, fighting "enemies" that don't really hate us. Cuz you know...it's a game. Conversely 90% of the pug dungeon groups I have ever been in turned into a dumpster fire. Maybe we aren't playing the same game?
I play PvP because I enjoy it. The problem with me I get all excited at times and over react and people take it the wrong way.
I can honestly say.. PvP is very toxic. I think it has made me a mean person sometimes. This is just a sample of what I have to deal with at times.
That message was not from my enemy, it was someone from my own alliance. The message made me think for a few minutes. Am I really that bad? What did I do to deserve that? I was sad for a few minutes, but I just put them on ignore and went back to smashing faces.
I've had snide messages like that in PVE zones more often than Cyrodiil. I just don't see a casual connection between crappy behavior and Cyrodiil. All the anecdotes in the world about mean PVPers won't make it statistically true. It's just my story vs. your story vs. that that other person's cool story. Bottom line for me is, the zone chat in Stonefalls is way worse than the one in Cyrodiil.
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✭✭I've had snide messages like that in PVE zones more often than Cyrodiil. I just don't see a casual connection between crappy behavior and Cyrodiil. All the anecdotes in the world about mean PVPers won't make it statistically true. It's just my story vs. your story vs. that that other person's cool story. Bottom line for me is, the zone chat in Stonefalls is way worse than the one in Cyrodiil.
People chatting in zone chat in Cyrodiil aren't PVPing though are they. You don't stop to type and talk to randoms in a zone chat when you're PVPing.
Most of them are taking the bad chatter to voicechat anyway, where their groups are at.Edited by Betheny on March 17, 2017 5:11PM0 -
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✭Cyrodiil is broken
once 100 ping next moment 999+
freezes and spikes in midplay and 10 mins loading screens
even when someone leaves one of my guilds game freezes for a second or 2
its really bad..Edited by Waseem on March 17, 2017 5:12PM0 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »ProfesseurFreder wrote: »I strongly believe that players should not be able to profit from beating up other players. It encourages bullies -- and I'm like Captain America: I hate bullies. There's no place for that kind of crap in a community-style game. And when I see how rude some players are in PvE, and how badly some of them act even when they can't really do anything to you other than steal a rune that you may have fought for, I can only imagine how badly behaved some of these PUNKS must be in a PvP situation.
I mostly enjoy bullying bullies. No seriously. It's about my favorite thing in the world and has been since I was about 10 years old. Under most circumstances I'm about the most fun to be around person imaginable, but I live for the times when I get to put know it all jerks in their place.
Also ... Captain America is a bit of a bully bullier as well if you think about it.
You aren't like Captain America in the slightest. If you want to bully these *perceived* bullies, go into Cyrodiil and do it. Stop stroking your own feathers here on the forums. Most PVP players are perfectly well adjusted human beings who aren't terrified of safe, consequence-free competition with their peers. But of course you can only *imagine* them to be all sorts of bad stuff, since you won't get in there and find out.
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✭I don't play PvP simply because with the rather limited time I have to play games, i'm still suitably occupied and quite content playing PvE. I've absolutely nothing against PvP, and maybe one day I will give it a go.0 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »
OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.
Not every PvP group sounds like that. Making a blanket generalization based on one experience doesn't mean you know what all PvPers are like.
And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)
You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.
Actually, blanket statements like that aren't entirely false, especially when you consider that the majority of PvP chat on ALL platforms has some form of complaining or insults.
Now the forums: When was the last time you saw a thread started by a player that an ability in PvE was too overpowered or a thread that complained about a teammate's DPS being "unfair" or "OP"?
Yeah, you don't see those threads because in PvE everyone got their reward - no one cares that a boss dies FASTER or the fight is EASIER. On the flip side, I can't count how many damn threads I've seen here complaining about X ability or Y build in PvP - it's nauseating. Then, to make matters worse, ZoS ruins perfectly good abilities in PvE to cater to the huge amount of PvP crying in the forums. A good example is that shield durations should have been edited onto Battle Spirit and left alone for PvE.
We don't see those posts because Deadra don't post on the forums. I'm pretty sure King Krogo doesn't think that 50k Radiant Oppressions are fairly balanced.IcyDeadPeople wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »- You gave one example where one person acted like a jerk, while you "fought back" in the least effective way possible. In my view, people of your kind are way more of the problem with PVP then one jerk ganker.
No, the problem with PVP is that the population has dwindled to almost nothing. We barely have enough players for one populated campaign when we used to have ten different campaigns and epic battles all over the map 24/7, even weeknights.
We need a hell of a lot more PVE'ers to try PVP and unfortunately part of the reason fewer of them are sticking around is this huge skill / power gap compared to launch when hardly anybody knew what they were doing. Try to put yourself in their shoes. It can discourage a lot of new players getting into Cyrodiil the first time.
Hopefully there will be some kind of tutorial mode for battlegrounds, or some easier way to help new people learn how to use some basic combos, stuns, etc. Or some guilds that take time to teach beginners.
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apostate9✭✭✭✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
As I said, above, this is evident of a social anxiety disorder. Some people challenged this, without any actual insight, but it's actually plain as day. Why else would the person be so adamantly against trying a new experience? There is extreme prejudice involved - the whole attitude is reminiscent of a 5-year-old that won't eat spinach.Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD.
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✭✭Vercingetorix wrote: »
OP asked "why don't you PVP?" and that comment was an addendum to the post I made before. That's why I don't PVP.
You pulling up another person's reasons for doing something when asked why and telling them they're not allowed to say it is what's toxic here.
Implying that PvP players are angry and depressed is something that you don't know, and serves no purpose other than to antagonize. You're not fooling many people here. Also, the irony...it amuses me.
Also, say whatever you like, just be prepared to have it answered with criticism.
I know what I hear and as I said:People don't PVP in a vacuum, people generally PVP in groups and that's when you get exposed to all the group chat in TeamSpeak or whatever voicechat is being used and get to hear all that whining about skills and gear and bitching about others on and on loudly in your own damn lounge
Only time I want to hear people talking over my game sounds is when they're asking for help or giving instructions or commands to get something done.
The anger and bitching and whining is depressing, they're always going on about something , some skill or player or gear.
That does not sound like the chatter of happy people to me.
Not every PvP group sounds like that. Making a blanket generalization based on one experience doesn't mean you know what all PvPers are like.
And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)
You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.
Actually, blanket statements like that aren't entirely false, especially when you consider that the majority of PvP chat on ALL platforms has some form of complaining or insults.
Now the forums: When was the last time you saw a thread started by a player that an ability in PvE was too overpowered or a thread that complained about a teammate's DPS being "unfair" or "OP"?
Yeah, you don't see those threads because in PvE everyone got their reward - no one cares that a boss dies FASTER or the fight is EASIER. On the flip side, I can't count how many damn threads I've seen here complaining about X ability or Y build in PvP - it's nauseating. Then, to make matters worse, ZoS ruins perfectly good abilities in PvE to cater to the huge amount of PvP crying in the forums. A good example is that shield durations should have been edited onto Battle Spirit and left alone for PvE.
You do get those PvE threads. I've seen lots of buff stamina dps threads, no one wants a stamblade in trials threads, sorcs are too strong and trial groups want mostly sorc dps, buff non-DK tank threads, why won't people let me heal on anything but a templar threads, why can't mDKs have an execute threads. Of course you don't get as many people complaining about a single ability, because they don't have to face the negative effects of that ability, and the NPC's can't voice their concerns with balance.PC/EU DC0 -
Tai-Chi✭✭✭✭The main reason I do not PvP is because the idea of killing another player does not sit very comfortably with me. It is against my nature.
In PvE, I kill NPC monsters, tyrants and generally those whom would be classed as evil beings; I am helping to make Tamriel a safer and better place to live in.
The T-bagging, abusive language and bullying I find abhorrent; I do not want to deal with that kind of nonsense in my leisure time.
I agree with almost everything @ADarklore (point #3) has to say but unlike them, I am competitive.
That brings me to my last point.
I have no interest at all in becoming EMPEROR - they inevitably fall.
All my characters are "IT" girls and boys. They never have been and never will be "HAS-BEENS".
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I actually feel that's true. I used to think PvPers should be the worse part of the community, especially after getting ganked repeatedly, but then after reading the forums for an extensive time...to my greatest and biggest surprise, it seems the reverse is true, on these forums at least ._. Now obviously there're jerks and a**holes on every side but I keep seeing amazing numbers of posts by PvPers who totally agree with separate PvE and PvP skills(and keep asking for them even) and just want to be left alone, have bugs fixed and some more incentives for goal-oriented PvP and stuff. And I keep seeing amazing number of posts from PvE-ers who say PvP has no place in this game, are so oblivious they claim it wasn't even part of this game from the start but came later as a dlc(?!), is just an imbalance, bother, source of rudeness and ultimate evil and needs to go. They complain that being able to see players duel ruins their immersion and having to set foot into Cyrodiil at all ruins their week because they refuse to kill people in PvP zone but for some reason other people(who came there to PvP) don't (always) do the same. I don't think I've ever seen a PvPer claim PvE has to disappear to make them happy, nor complain that you basically have to PvE to level up/get skillpoints etc. I'm not directing this at anyone here in particular, I know not everyone is like this, but it does seem the overall feeling, which is actually weird to me.PVPers are just too angry all the time, always complaining about some skills that wreck the game or some player they think is a ***. Ain't nobody got time for that.
I find it is actually the reverse. PVPers are just into the game, and fired up about their night last night, their guild, their faction, etc.
It seems like it is the Single-Player-Game-Online crowd that are actually hostile. For an example...read this thread. Or basically anything you've ever posted.There're many reasons why one wouldn't want to PvP, many legit reasons among them too.
Therein lies the problem with these sorts of threads. It doesn't matter why someone chooses not to PvP, his/her reasons - whatever they may be - are all legit, just as the reasons why PvPers choose to PvP are all legit.
You don't need a post-graduate doctorate in gaming psychology to understand why some players like to PvP while other players like to PvE. We're all different, and we all like different things. It's as simple as that.
Why is that a problem? It's a problem if you outright tell people their gamestyle is wrong and bad and they must change it because reasons. There's nothing wrong with trying to provide different point of view and maybe get people interested in something they thought they'd never like. I know plenty of people who got super deep into PvP after thinking it's "not their thing" for months without even setting foot there, then ending up doing it for whatever reason and actually liking it.
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✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »ProfesseurFreder wrote: »I strongly believe that players should not be able to profit from beating up other players. It encourages bullies -- and I'm like Captain America: I hate bullies. There's no place for that kind of crap in a community-style game. And when I see how rude some players are in PvE, and how badly some of them act even when they can't really do anything to you other than steal a rune that you may have fought for, I can only imagine how badly behaved some of these PUNKS must be in a PvP situation.
I mostly enjoy bullying bullies. No seriously. It's about my favorite thing in the world and has been since I was about 10 years old. Under most circumstances I'm about the most fun to be around person imaginable, but I live for the times when I get to put know it all jerks in their place.
Also ... Captain America is a bit of a bully bullier as well if you think about it.
You aren't like Captain America in the slightest. If you want to bully these *perceived* bullies, go into Cyrodiil and do it. Stop stroking your own feathers here on the forums. Most PVP players are perfectly well adjusted human beings who aren't terrified of safe, consequence-free competition with their peers. But of course you can only *imagine* them to be all sorts of bad stuff, since you won't get in there and find out.
You must have me confused with someone else. I PVP a ton.
The only reason I'm on the forums is because it's a slow day at the office. As much as I'd like to get into Cyrodiil at the moment, I still have 3.5 more hours of updating Salesforce ahead of me.1 -
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✭✭✭And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)
You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.
I'm sure the bad people you speak of were PvP players trying to PvE and getting upset. Real PvE players don't make those types of comments.
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✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)
You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.
I'm sure the bad people you speak of were PvP players trying to PvE and getting upset. Real PvE players don't make those types of comments.
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For background, I played DaoC for many years, and led a PvP guild from a couple years there. I'm no stranger to it, and obviously thoroughly enjoyed it.
ESO had some PvP philosophies they took from DaoC, but practically all of those have been changed or adjusted. Remember when the game released and owning scrolls actually had more meaning to those in the mainland? Then the PvE crowd complained, and so they changed it.
Remember when there were no AoE caps? People got mad that small groups could kill large groups, and so they changed it. What is AoE even for, if not for smaller groups to kill large groups?
Remember when factions meant something? I like a lot of changes about One Tamriel, but from PvP, faction-pride perspective, it made no sense. So you can talk to, group with, Guild with, and PvE with all of your supposed Cyrodiil enemies now. Why are we at war again? Aren't we all friends?
What about Flavor of the Month builds? They are encouraged in this game because the leveling process & respec process is so easy.
DaoC got a lot of things right, and until Camelot Unchained comes out, nobody else captures that magic. When it came to PvP, everybody had a vested interest in your Realm's success. Why? Because owning all of the relics (ESO's scrolls) provided a bonus for the entire Realm (ESO's factions) whether in PvE zones or out in the Frontier (ESO's Cyrodiil). ESO started out this way, and then changed it. When there was a threat to the Relics, and a Call to Arms ensued, players from PvE zones rallied to the cause. The fact that realms were separate, and you couldn't communicate with players from other realms, or even understand what they're saying ("player A says something in a language you don't understand) gave a sense of mystery to them. You felt like you were fighting a true enemy, and not somebody you'll be buying potions from in your trade guild, or unknowingly power-leveling his alt in Craglorn. You weren't able to send or receive those nasty private messages from them. This design gave your Realm an "us against the World" mentality, and that was very important.
The culture of ESO does not encourage PvP, and that is a direct result of game design. They essentially tried to layer on DaoC's open-world 3-realm PvP system, but left out all of the features that made it great. It wants to please too many other people, and so PvP design will always take a back seat.Catches-the-Sun - Argonian Templar - Master Smith, Provisioner, Chemist & Tailor
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✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I'm not competitive. I have autodecline turned on for duels. I don't care if someone else can kill my character. About the only reason I go to Cyrodiil is to craft set gear for guildmates.
I honestly don't see the point in pvp. Congratulations. You have a build set up for pvp, you're geared up for pvp, and you killed my character that isn't set up for pvp, isn't min/maxed for anything, and wears crafted gear. Not to mention I don't bother to fight back. I don't care if you can kill me or not. I just want to be able to go make armor for someone. I'm interested in playing the game, not competing with other players, who, from the ones I've encountered on the occasions I've gone to Cyrodiil, are just a hair off from rabid psychopaths. I've had people try to tell me that the player who killed me over and over again in IC the last time I went there, just outside the crafting station door was looking for a good fight. Personally, I rather doubt that. The player waited until I survived a fight with the daedra before attacking, you know, when you're low on health/magic/stamina because you've been fighting? Second hint; I put my weapons away and didn't fight back. Even if the player missed the clues the first three times he killed me, he should have figured it out by the 4th time. I wasn't going to fight, period. I guess he finally got bored with blocking the crafting station because the 5th time he didn't bother to attack me. I made the gear, left the station and got killed so I could get out of there.
That might be fun for some types of players, but me? No. Not really. I wholeheartedly agree with Nestor. I would cheerfully support a pvp only server for the people who want to pvp all the time. Especially if that meant a pve only instance of Cyrodiil that I could go and pve/explore/actually have fun in without the pvpers to ruin the fun.
So much wow here.
- Duels and PVP in Cyrodiil are extraordinarily different. A good dueler is like a UFC fighter. A good Cyrodiil PVPer is more like a soldier. Put a UFC fighter in a cage with an unarmed soldier and the UFC guy would destroy the soldier. But put 100 armed soldiers against 100 armed UFC fighters on a battlefield and the soldiers might wipe them out 100 to nothing. It's apples and oranges.
- If someone is in front of me you're getting attacked. Level 23 or CP 600. I don't care. Your just in my way.
- Not fighting back is the worst thing you can do. You're a free sack of Alliance Points. It's not a PVPers fault for wanting to PVP in PVP.
- Camping a blacksmith is low. I agree there. Still ... put up a fight. At least try.
- I've found that people who describe PVPers as rabid psychopaths generally need to look in the mirror.
- You gave one example where one person acted like a jerk, while you "fought back" in the least effective way possible. In my view, people of your kind are way more of the problem with PVP then one jerk ganker.
I guess its a pvp mindset thing; what is so hard to understand about "I do not want to fight."?
Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD. If the devs put duplicates of the 3 IC crafting stations out in "the world" I would never bother to step foot in Cyrodiil. I'm not complaining about getting killed. I know I'm going to get killed multiple times probably every single time I go to the IC to craft gear for someone.
If you are a npc enemy, then yes, I do take a lot of pleasure in slaughtering you the most efficient way possible. I admit to snickering when I use my werewolf to shred npc enemies to little bits of hamburger. Since this is all on the pve side of things, very few other players are affected in any way by this. Not sure that qualifies as "borderline rabid psychopath" though, since I'm not disrupting other player's games or causing them any issues at all.
See the above caps; I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD. Sorry if that spoils your "gotta kill them all" feeling. I didn't fight back the least effective way, I didn't fight back at all. If I spoiled the ganker's day by not fighting back maybe its even; he spoiled my "don't fight run in craft gear run out" attempt.
"My kind" of player who has no interest in pvp and doesn't want to pvp and *won't* pvp for whatever reasons we might have is why I would be happy to advocate for a separate open world pvp server for all the pvpers who think pve players who want to do pve/craft/explore in the pvp area cause problems and spoil thier game. I think it was Nestor who said make a pve only instance for doing some pve exploring, set it before the war, or in a "Meridia's Special Snowflake Zone" that you can do after Cadwell's Gold so no dastardly espionage/spying/evil plots can cause any issues in the pvp war.
Know what though? Every time that "separate instance" thing is brought up, pvpers rage. No matter how many times its pointed out that "my kind" of player who doesn't want to pvp, and won't pvp, but does want the books, pve quests, and skyshards are contributing to the player cap and blocking out pvpers who do want to fight the war. Of course, it could be the pvpers who really don't want a "fair fight" and just want to gank pve players who complain so much. :shrug:
At one time a lot of people didn't attack low level players and people questing etc., but this changed a lot after they introduced the Golden Vendor who sells monster helms. Now people seem much more eager to earn alliance points compared to the past when there was nothing to spend them on.
However, if you call out in zone that you are crafting or doing quests and looking for an escort / help with someone who is ganking you, etc, I'm sure there will be some people in your faction eager to help. For us it's fun to gank the ganker.
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I'm cp498 right now.bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
As I said, above, this is evident of a social anxiety disorder. Some people challenged this, without any actual insight, but it's actually plain as day. Why else would the person be so adamantly against trying a new experience? There is extreme prejudice involved - the whole attitude is reminiscent of a 5-year-old that won't eat spinach.Yes, I'm a free sack of alliance points. Yes, you can kill me. I might be in "in front of you" or "in your way" however it isn't because I'm trying to be. I DO NOT WANT TO FIGHT, PERIOD.
Again, no. If the experience has the slightest bit of appeal, I'll try. If guildmates ask for help, I will. That's why I've done some group dungeon/trial things with my guild when I really had no real interest in it. Didn't really like a few of them, but still had fun and provided an extra body for the guild run, so not a bad thing. I'll do more runs if they need another body.
However my personal experience every time I've been in Cyrodiil to do other things has been negative. I know I won't have a chance against the maxed cp9billion pvper(s). I go into Cyrodiil knowing I'll get killed. I have no wish to try to "git gud". I am not competitive. I have no burning desire to be able to kill other players. It would take a massive effort on my part to care less about winning in pvp. As far as that goes I'll only duel guildmates to help them out with gear, builds or rotation setups. I've won and lost the duels; again, not an issue for me either way. [I will admit to laughing at the guildie who suddenly decided that he hated magicka sorcerors who used an inferno staff after he insisted on dueling one of my characters with his new vampire....]
By the way, as a 5 year old, I did like spinach; wilted, with bacon and apple cider vinegar. Also tripe with spaghetti, and brains with brown butter toast. My Dad was a wonderful cook.
Perhaps your interest in pvp shows a tendency to overcompensate for something?
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Except it's not that. This is not saying "I don't enjoy it, so I don't do it". This is saying "I have never tried it but I hate it and I will never do it - not even to try it out".Bouldercleave wrote: »Maybe it is just a simple I don't enjoy it so I don't partake. I don't like stapling my nutsack, so even though it would be a WHOLE new experience - I don't think I'll partake. I must have a ball pain anxiety disorder...
Comparing grevious self-injury to a game - which is an entertainment vehicle, even if certain parts of it aren't fun for some - just goes to show the depth of the issues of these people.
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✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Except it's not that. This is not saying "I don't enjoy it, so I don't do it". This is saying "I have never tried it but I hate it and I will never do it - not even to try it out".Bouldercleave wrote: »Maybe it is just a simple I don't enjoy it so I don't partake. I don't like stapling my nutsack, so even though it would be a WHOLE new experience - I don't think I'll partake. I must have a ball pain anxiety disorder...
Comparing grevious self-injury to a game - which is an entertainment vehicle, even if certain parts of it aren't fun for some - just goes to show the depth of the issues of these people.
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xboxone1Q✭✭✭What pve players don't get is pvp has the best quest to rank up your cp, gold, etc. I wish blue and yellow would learn that towns are for questing not pvp.
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