Why don't you PvP?

bg22

After a (irrational) outcry from the upcoming CP adjustments from much of the forum community, I keep seeing "most of us don't PvP... etc. etc."

Why?

Everyone that I've introduced into PvP that was very against it, turned out to not being against it at all. By introduced I mean I helped them to know what to expect and how to respond and what skills are needed to help emerge victorious.

Secondly, I have always been a adamant PvPer, but still enjoy "endgame" type pve. I spend 95% of my time PvPing, yet receive compliments in pve often, and I attribute that to the skills I've used and learned in PvP. Without PvP I don't believe I would be as good as I am in PvE.

Anyway, that's just my take on things. I'm just curious; why don't you PvP?

Turelus

We all find our fun in different ways, not everyone enjoys what PvP has to offer.

I used to do it in ESO and stuck two good years into it as my main activity, then I started doing daily dungeons and found out I actually enjoyed casually running a dungeon with friends and talking about stuff whilst playing. I sometimes PvP now but generally find it's too much stress and effort after a long day of work.

I am not really the type of player you're looking for though I guess.

ADarklore

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

Anhedonie

-Lags (999+ ping in Cyro is a common thing)
-Bug meta (most bugged set/class wins, no skill required)
-Just not my cup of tea. I used to play lineage 2 and world of warcraft. And I pvp'ed 90% of time. I loved battlegounds and arenas. In ESO I just keep yawning during pvp. ESO's pvp is a lot less tactical and more action'y. That's the reason, I guess.

Solariken

I'm curious to see some of the answers as well. The great thing about ESO PvP is that it's mostly open world, and in general has the feel of a greater goal than building personal e-peen. If you want to build your skill and present yourself with a real challenge, Cyrodiil is where it's all at. It's super surprising how many people don't even want to give it a chance.

Violynne

I don't PvP because I suck at this game. Something I'm currently working on correcting. Every time I tried it, I walked out of Cyrodiil with far fewer soul gems than when I walked in. Sort of a problem, since it should be the other way around.

faerigirl

ADarklore wrote: »

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

I couldn't have said it better

MissBizz

Because I have a ton of fun doing all the other things I do.

There's only so many hours in a day! Really though, I went in for double AP and it was pretty fun, but I enjoy the more laid back with friends stuff. If I need to get my heart pumping I can just pug a DLC dungeon

wazzz56

because I am farming or fishing..then back to pvp lol

Turelus

Solariken wrote: »

I'm curious to see some of the answers as well. The great thing about ESO PvP is that it's mostly open world, and in general has the feel of a greater goal than building personal e-peen. If you want to build your skill and present yourself with a real challenge, Cyrodiil is where it's all at. It's super surprising how many people don't even want to give it a chance.

Just take the time to read most of the PvP threads on these forums and you'll see one reason people are put off it. The community is hostile an abusive to many.
I agree with what ADarklore said, whilst I have done PvP and enjoyed it and still do to some extent, I want to come back from work and relax, not be stressed out by the plethora of issues PvP has or the hostility of some in the PvP community.

Betheny

PVPers are just too angry all the time, always complaining about some skills that wreck the game or some player they think is a ***. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Turelus

MissBizz wrote: »

Because I have a ton of fun doing all the other things I do.

There's only so many hours in a day! Really though, I went in for double AP and it was pretty fun, but I enjoy the more laid back with friends stuff. If I need to get my heart pumping I can just pug a DLC dungeon

Someone lives life on the edge.

Tyrobag

Because I don't want to deal with the sh** that PvPers give to everyone in their vicinity. I play this game to have fun, not to be insulted and called a noob after killing the guy who just tried to gank me. Its not even safe to go to Cyrodiil for achivements and quests since PvPers just murder anything that moves.

wazzz56

Turelus wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I'm curious to see some of the answers as well. The great thing about ESO PvP is that it's mostly open world, and in general has the feel of a greater goal than building personal e-peen. If you want to build your skill and present yourself with a real challenge, Cyrodiil is where it's all at. It's super surprising how many people don't even want to give it a chance.

Just take the time to read most of the PvP threads on these forums and you'll see one reason people are put off it. The community is hostile an abusive to many.
I agree with what ADarklore said, whilst I have done PvP and enjoyed it and still do to some extent, I want to come back from work and relax, not be stressed out by the plethora of issues PvP has or the hostility of some in the PvP community.

to be fair, the PVE community is just as toxic and elitist.....small population of pvpers are bad...the rest for the most part are helpful people..also basing anything off of the forum population will give you a very misguided view...the people on the forums in noway reflect the whole community....and there is not much disputing that..there are people whose sole purpose of being on the forum is to complain and qq...

bg22

Violynne wrote: »

I don't PvP because I suck at this game. Something I'm currently working on correcting. Every time I tried it, I walked out of Cyrodiil with far fewer soul gems than when I walked in. Sort of a problem, since it should be the other way around.

I used to suck at PvP when I first started. I stuck it out, died enough times to figure out how to not suck, and now I love it.

It usually boils down to people not having enough defensive stuff slotted (self heals, defensive buffs, offensive debuffs). Give up some damage for survivability and watch your survival rate double instantly.

Just some tips if you decide to give it another go!

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Cause people enjoy trashing things they are not familiar with or good at. 90% of PVPers are good, fun people same as 90% of PVErs.

It's easier just to avoid things and blame monsters in the closet then it is to take your lumps and get better.

For example: I'm in 5 different guilds. My friends guild with 10 people and my trade guild don't really count. The other 3 are a PVP guild and two PVE guilds. The majority of the PVE guild players, when the topic of PVP comes up respond "why would you ever even step foot in that place" and usually add that they tried it once or twice but died a lot and never came back.

Also, PVE only players tend to be absurdly unself aware. Please note the daily posts on this forum started by PVE players complaining about PVP players getting PVE skills nerfed even though the nerfs are directed at PVE and the complaining comes significantly more from the PVEr side.

Coakknows

Looking forward to battlefields in MW. I find the pvp in Cyrodil a little annoying and not very satisfying.

ereboz

I don't like pvp because I just suck against other players. In PvE I do great, and I really enjoy it. But no matter what gear I use, how I spec, make my build, where I put my CP, it doesn't matter. I don't last more than 20 seconds against anyone in Cyrodiil. And it's not for lack of trying, I've played since first beta and dabbled in PvP several times. Been through various different builds with every class and it just never works out. And then when I do lose horribly, the PvP players just constantly insult and laugh at you. It's not an enjoyable experience. In PvE everyone seems to want to help each other because they need to work together to succeed

bg22

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Cause people enjoy trashing things they are not familiar with or good at. 90% of PVPers are good, fun people same as 90% of PVErs.

It's easier just to avoid things and blame monsters in the closet then it is to take your lumps and get better.

For example: I'm in 5 different guilds. My friends guild with 10 people and my trade guild don't really count. The other 3 are a PVP guild and two PVE guilds. The majority of the PVE guild players, when the topic of PVP comes up respond "why would you ever even step foot in that place" and usually add that they tried it once or twice but died a lot and never came back.

Also, PVE only players tend to be absurdly unself aware. Please note the daily posts on this forum started by PVE players complaining about PVP players getting PVE skills nerfed even though the nerfs are directed at PVE and the complaining comes significantly more from the PVEr side.

This.

Voxicity

I pvp'd quite a lot around a year ago, got to like AVA rank 30 or something but as cyrodiil got worse I played less, and now today me and my wife barely step in there even once a month. A mixture of disgusting builds and performance issues just makes it less enjoyable than running vMoL or something

Coakknows

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Turelus

wazzz56 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I'm curious to see some of the answers as well. The great thing about ESO PvP is that it's mostly open world, and in general has the feel of a greater goal than building personal e-peen. If you want to build your skill and present yourself with a real challenge, Cyrodiil is where it's all at. It's super surprising how many people don't even want to give it a chance.

Just take the time to read most of the PvP threads on these forums and you'll see one reason people are put off it. The community is hostile an abusive to many.
I agree with what ADarklore said, whilst I have done PvP and enjoyed it and still do to some extent, I want to come back from work and relax, not be stressed out by the plethora of issues PvP has or the hostility of some in the PvP community.

to be fair, the PVE community is just as toxic and elitist.....small population of pvpers are bad...the rest for the most part are helpful people..also basing anything off of the forum population will give you a very misguided view...the people on the forums in noway reflect the whole community....and there is not much disputing that..there are people whose sole purpose of being on the forum is to complain and qq...

The PvE toxic stuff is mostly confined and doesn't spill out, general PvE play you will really only encounter it if you PUG and dungeon and get placed with one.
I spent two years in the PvP community and it was horrible on all sides, sure I had my guild and friends there which we all could kick back and have fun with, but there is so much anger and desire to be better than others within PvP even within ones own faction.

I have been a PvP player since I started MMO games and ESO has so far been the most hostile community for it. Now sure this is my own personal experiences, but it's easy for me to see why players are put of PvP.

I myself really want to take part in Battlegrounds when they come out, but will most likely not bother because I don't want to deal with the trash I get from other players if I mess up, don't do good enough for their expectations etc.
If I wanted to be abused in my free time by immature e-peen players I would go play DOTA.

Bananko

faerigirl wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

I couldn't have said it better

Agreed.

bg22

Turelus wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I'm curious to see some of the answers as well. The great thing about ESO PvP is that it's mostly open world, and in general has the feel of a greater goal than building personal e-peen. If you want to build your skill and present yourself with a real challenge, Cyrodiil is where it's all at. It's super surprising how many people don't even want to give it a chance.

Just take the time to read most of the PvP threads on these forums and you'll see one reason people are put off it. The community is hostile an abusive to many.
I agree with what ADarklore said, whilst I have done PvP and enjoyed it and still do to some extent, I want to come back from work and relax, not be stressed out by the plethora of issues PvP has or the hostility of some in the PvP community.

It works both ways. The majority of forum PvPers are the elitist (just as the majority of PvEers in the forums).

You shouldn't base anything off of what the small percentage of ppl that use the forums think.

PvEers can be just as abusive but pretend they're not.

Ever been in a group that kicked someone because they were subpar and continued to do crappy stuff to get your group wiped? I've seen that happen plenty. And you don't think that that person was upset over that?

People that prefer PvP are the same as ppl that prefer PvE, they just have separate gaming preferences. I made this thread to figure out why.

Turelus

bg22 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I'm curious to see some of the answers as well. The great thing about ESO PvP is that it's mostly open world, and in general has the feel of a greater goal than building personal e-peen. If you want to build your skill and present yourself with a real challenge, Cyrodiil is where it's all at. It's super surprising how many people don't even want to give it a chance.

Just take the time to read most of the PvP threads on these forums and you'll see one reason people are put off it. The community is hostile an abusive to many.
I agree with what ADarklore said, whilst I have done PvP and enjoyed it and still do to some extent, I want to come back from work and relax, not be stressed out by the plethora of issues PvP has or the hostility of some in the PvP community.

It works both ways. The majority of forum PvPers are the elitist (just as the majority of PvEers in the forums).

You shouldn't base anything off of what the small percentage of ppl that use the forums think.

PvEers can be just as abusive but pretend they're not.

Ever been in a group that kicked someone because they were subpar and continued to do crappy stuff to get your group wiped? I've seen that happen plenty. And you don't think that that person was upset over that?

People that prefer PvP are the same as ppl that prefer PvE, they just have separate gaming preferences. I made this thread to figure out why.

See my previous post.

Edit. Also "PvE players are just as bad" doesn't make PvP any better or a reason for people to join.

General PvE you don't openly come to meet the toxic side of PvE, however PvP places you in a zone and chat where those members are and have to directly deal with them.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I have 30,000 PVP kills and have gotten about 3 rage messages ever. Who are these people that are so mean? This always cracks me up.

Is this a PC thing? Are you the guy who isn't listening to your crown? Were you telling stories about your science teacher while someone was trying to get 18 people to siege Chalman keep?

In truth, I solo more now than ever because I'm tired of playing with people who give up at the first sign of trouble.

Azurulia

bg22 wrote: »

After a (irrational) outcry from the upcoming CP adjustments from much of the forum community, I keep seeing "most of us don't PvP... etc. etc."

Why?

Everyone that I've introduced into PvP that was very against it, turned out to not being against it at all. By introduced I mean I helped them to know what to expect and how to respond and what skills are needed to help emerge victorious.

Secondly, I have always been a adamant PvPer, but still enjoy "endgame" type pve. I spend 95% of my time PvPing, yet receive compliments in pve often, and I attribute that to the skills I've used and learned in PvP. Without PvP I don't believe I would be as good as I am in PvE.

It's no secrect that pvp'ers make the best pve'ers.

The situational awareness, on the fly thinking, and quickly reacting, etc. all directly translates to pve content.

Betheny

Azurulia wrote: »

It's no secrect that pvp'ers make the best pve'ers.

The situational awareness, on the fly thinking, and quickly reacting, etc. all directly translates to pve content.

zzzzz

jlboozer

I don't PvP in this game because PvP communities are usually toxic. I used to be extremely competitive in Destiny, even played a lot of sweatys if you know what that is. The constant hate mail from people got obnoxious so I quit playing Destiny and PvP all together. I started this game with the mindset that I was done with all PvP in every game. I've had a lot of fun in this game with pve, and don't want to ruin it like I did with Destiny by getting wrapped up in PvP and meta. However, the legends of my titan skating shotgun skills are still told in the land of Destiny to this day!

Turelus

Azurulia wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

After a (irrational) outcry from the upcoming CP adjustments from much of the forum community, I keep seeing "most of us don't PvP... etc. etc."

Why?

Everyone that I've introduced into PvP that was very against it, turned out to not being against it at all. By introduced I mean I helped them to know what to expect and how to respond and what skills are needed to help emerge victorious.

Secondly, I have always been a adamant PvPer, but still enjoy "endgame" type pve. I spend 95% of my time PvPing, yet receive compliments in pve often, and I attribute that to the skills I've used and learned in PvP. Without PvP I don't believe I would be as good as I am in PvE.

It's no secrect that pvp'ers make the best pve'ers.

The situational awareness, on the fly thinking, and quickly reacting, etc. all directly translates to pve content.

However PvP players lack the understanding of PvE mechanics or builds. I've taken "only PvP" players to PvE before and they had no idea how to actually get a high and sustained DPS because they were so used to short burst combat or environmental defensive combat (line of sight).

Dantaria

ADarklore wrote: »

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

Seconding this with the power of thousand suns.

PvP tends to bring out worst in people. In PvE there are only "we". In PvP there are "we" and "them". And when there are "we" and "them", things go south very quickly.

I had to go to Cyro to farm my Vigor and Caltrops. The experience has been... harrowing. I would be happy to never go there again. Because "OLOLOLOL HAVE YOU SEEN THESE SMURFS LMAO". In PvP we're suddenly not people playing and enjoying the same game. We're enemies. And I have no desire to be someone's enemy.

Yes, things also go south in PvE. There are "Heal, you lazy ***", "Your DPS s**k", etc, but the nature of the content is that you are a team. You have to calm down and make it. Together.

I'll stick with "Come on, guys, we can do this" rather then "Olololol, let's screw this s**kers".