Eso racism getting out of hand

Cherryblossom · March 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Here comes the people defending this type of behavior saying you can just block/ignore. You tell a bullied kid in school to just ignore bullies? To walk another way to the cafeteria so he won't bump into the bullies? By just ignoring you're making this type of behavior acceptable and others may start behaving the same way.

Ummm no. You hand them a warning, if done again, you give them the permaban! If your parents wasn't able to raise you right you have no business playing a game with thousands of other people.

EDIT: Ignoring/Blocking is an option yes. Is it helping the community though? Not really. These hateful people will continue spreading their hate to another person when he/she is done with you. People can say whatever they want about me. I can handle it. But not everyone can. I will have anyones back if you are being discriminated in-game for your race/sexual preferences/sexism. I don't tolerate that kind of BS. An ignore button is not enough for me. I will go on a Making-Sure-You-Get-Banned-Purge.

here comes the person who fails to read what proceeds.

Had you read the posts before, they are saying Block yes (as it stops further harassment), but they are all saying report, some giving examples of what to do.

Vahrokh · March 2017

rentalman UK wrote: »

Has any one suffered racist remarks, comments, sexual comments,sexist comments. If so what did you do about it. And was the matter resolved ?

How do they even know someone is a certain sex or race in real life? Do you spam your personal information in chat?

Are you playing on some stupid platform that shares all your private details? If so, can't it be told to stop?

Duiwel · March 2017

Argonian swim speed OP

mrfrontman · March 2017

If you're going to quote me then compare everything I've said to real life, when I SPECIFICALLY said "online" like the last couple of people, please slap yourself now and wake up.

EDIT: I honestly can't comprehend the things you would even try to compare what I've said to. You think YOU'RE lost for words? HAH!

Bobby_V_Rockit · March 2017

Anyone know how to stop a single threads notifications appearing? xenophobia = bad, got it. Move along you're gummin' up the works.

Cherryblossom · March 2017

stephbay123 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Just block and or report

@KaiVox22's advice here is exactly what we'd also advise with an emphasis on reporting. Please make sure you report any players who are using racial slurs, hate speech, making threats of real-life harm, or otherwise violating our Terms of Service. General in-game PvP smack-talk is one thing, but there's a pretty clear line that we expect our players not to cross.

This is the exact excerpt and verbiage from our Terms of Service for reference:

You agree not to use any Service to:
• Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;

It is easy for ZOS to say just report them but it should not need to be that way. ZOS should be able to monitor zone chat themselves by key words being flagged to them and taking action at the first opportunity.

I am gay and get extremely frustrated and angry at the talk in zone chat about *** and *** and worse. I feel like writing something back but always manage to stop myself as i know it would just bait these kind of people more. These folk should be banned for at least a short period of time and then if it continues they should be banned for longer and then for good. ZOS need to do something proactive and not reactive.

@stephbay123
The issue you have is words have context, choosing particular words to ban people for is simply ridiculous.
I'll quite often use feck you in a friendly manner! When some say's thats Gay, it doesn't equate to Gay people now, the word has taken on another meaning, before you become defensive saying it derogatory to homosexuals, please remember Gay meant something else before, it was a reference to homosexuals. Words evolve and change overtime, it's the context they are used in that matter.
What one person is saying you may take offence too, but it doesn't actually mean anything.

rentalman UK · March 2017

Thanks all for input and guidence direction and resolve procedures. Will pass on and implement in the guilds and advise players if they feel upset on the comments received to react based on the guidence given by all on this post.

But please remember is some one is insulting do not respond. Pay no attention . The game is a game and should not affect your real life.

If in doubt report it on the help section of the menu screen

Thanks all

Turelus · March 2017

stephbay123 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Just block and or report

KaiVox22's advice here is exactly what we'd also advise with an emphasis on reporting. Please make sure you report any players who are using racial slurs, hate speech, making threats of real-life harm, or otherwise violating our Terms of Service. General in-game PvP smack-talk is one thing, but there's a pretty clear line that we expect our players not to cross.

This is the exact excerpt and verbiage from our Terms of Service for reference:

You agree not to use any Service to:
• Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;

It is easy for ZOS to say just report them but it should not need to be that way. ZOS should be able to monitor zone chat themselves by key words being flagged to them and taking action at the first opportunity.

I am gay and get extremely frustrated and angry at the talk in zone chat about *** and *** and worse. I feel like writing something back but always manage to stop myself as i know it would just bait these kind of people more. These folk should be banned for at least a short period of time and then if it continues they should be banned for longer and then for good. ZOS need to do something proactive and not reactive.

That's very demanding on monitoring, logging and rechecking logs sure but active monitoring is going to cost them.

Also this would give false reports, if I am in party chat and discussing a movie or new article and use forbidden words am I going to get banned because the ZOS systems pick up on it?

The best way to deal with this is to report actual hate speech and racism, sexism, etc. and let the ZOS teams deal with it.

There is an in game filter option to hide a lot of the words you don't like and whilst that doesn't stop them being said it will help you avoid seeing them.

I am not part of the "HTFU" crowed but people need to take a level of responsibility to avoid what they don't want, if it's harassment then it's harassment and report it. If it's people saying cusswords which are not derogatory terms then sorry that's the internet.

Cpt_Teemo · March 2017

If your encountering comments like that in any mmo, you haven't been to LoL yet if it gets to you this much.

LilySix · March 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

If your encountering comments like that in any mmo, you haven't been to LoL yet if it gets to you this much.

LoL players are really really impolite and they all think that newbies are noobs. They allow themselves to talk like s.... to noobs. Hate this game because of them...

Turelus · March 2017

Uviryth wrote: »

New Generation Internetusers are soo sensible.
Here is a Mantra for you:
"Sticks and stones can break your bones, but words can never reach you".

Seriously, I always love when someone insults me. It just means game on! I bet my opponent will cry first.

The problem with that is some of the examples I have seen go beyond "You're <word>" or "LOL you suck you <word>" and are starting to get into pretty wrong territory.

A couple of weeks ago there was a guy in Deshaan zone chat telling everyone how he sexually abused a girl at school, and how funny it was. I mean here you have someone bragging (though most liking in jest) about sexual assault.

I have also in the past seen full on racial hate speech and promotion of genocide in PvP zone chats.

This is the stuff people get upset about, this is the stuff the community needs to stand up against. If you're upset by someone saying a normal swear word use a filter (the options there for a reason) if people are being racist/abusive in that form then damn right we should be reporting them and not cultivating that it's okay to do and people should just not be offended.

rentalman UK · March 2017

The mantra us only is achievable to quote re quote when a person with no issues receives said comment. But there are players and they are really nice members of the game that suffer from certain illness eg asbergers syndrome. And they will take the threat literaly. Hence to avoidance of doubt. A friend as stated before was threatened and told they would come to there house and find them. A lot of us aware that this is not possible and it's just malicious banter. But for him he took it to heart. Mentioned it to me. And I could feel the pain and fear on his voice. I comforted him and advised to contact me if this happens again and not to engage as that's all it takes . Hence not easy to just do as stated as we are all different and respond different

Thanks again

Spottswoode · March 2017

rentalman UK wrote: »

Xbox eu but probably across the board ps pc etc

In my experience, Xbox Live is a cesspool even compared to other platforms. Xbox LIVE chat is the reason I don't use voice chat anymore on almost any game.

andreasranasen wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

MMO's are not for people with thin skin.

Rule 1: Never give out personal details about yourself online. PVP'ers are like police officers, anything you say can and will be used agianst you in the court of cryodiil.

Cheers!

Soo true! When I signed up with PSN I chose my first and last name "andreasranasen". Same username I have on Instagram. Little did I know this would actually be my in-game name.

This is something I caution people against: It is a bad idea to have your real name listed as your gamertag or your gamertag anywhere on your public internet profiles. It's actually pretty easy to find players with IP lookup or a google search and find out personal information about you that way. Dedicated trolls can find a number of ways to harass you with this information.

I am 100% against any form of censorship, except where that falls into harassment. Harassment is not a free speech issue as it is a form of persistent abuse.

ZOS_JohanaB · March 2017

More comments have been removed from this thread. As this conversation continues It is highly advised that everyone take a good look at the community rules. Insulting people, entire groups or just one person, is not allowed of the forums. Further infractions to the community rules will result in warnings, and suspensions.

Cherryblossom · March 2017

stephbay123 wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

stephbay123 wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

stephbay123 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Just block and or report

@KaiVox22's advice here is exactly what we'd also advise with an emphasis on reporting. Please make sure you report any players who are using racial slurs, hate speech, making threats of real-life harm, or otherwise violating our Terms of Service. General in-game PvP smack-talk is one thing, but there's a pretty clear line that we expect our players not to cross.

This is the exact excerpt and verbiage from our Terms of Service for reference:

You agree not to use any Service to:
• Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;

It is easy for ZOS to say just report them but it should not need to be that way. ZOS should be able to monitor zone chat themselves by key words being flagged to them and taking action at the first opportunity.

I am gay and get extremely frustrated and angry at the talk in zone chat about *** and *** and worse. I feel like writing something back but always manage to stop myself as i know it would just bait these kind of people more. These folk should be banned for at least a short period of time and then if it continues they should be banned for longer and then for good. ZOS need to do something proactive and not reactive.

@stephbay123
The issue you have is words have context, choosing particular words to ban people for is simply ridiculous.
I'll quite often use feck you in a friendly manner! When some say's thats Gay, it doesn't equate to Gay people now, the word has taken on another meaning, before you become defensive saying it derogatory to homosexuals, please remember Gay meant something else before, it was a reference to homosexuals. Words evolve and change overtime, it's the context they are used in that matter.
What one person is saying you may take offence too, but it doesn't actually mean anything.

What utter nonsense- gay, *** is used to disparage someone and the context is obvious. Would it be acceptable for me to use the n***** word as an insult just because I think the meaning is different to someone else, to use jew, muslim or christian before or after a put down? No it would not- but as per your logic I need to accept it? because you think the meaning of the word has changed? gay/*** is only used in a derogatory manner because that is what they want it to be. also you can say feck all you want thats not sexist,racist, discriminatory in any way to a group of people.

@stephbay123
Yes when the context is Obvious, then it's abuse this is what I said. When a friend calls his mate Gay for something stupid he's done or said, it's no longer referencing him as being homosexual.
You only see Gay as being derogatory because you take ownership of the word, sorry but it's not your word, how other people decide to use it and make it their own, does not mean they are being derogatory to you.

Pay special attention to two which is how it was originally used, before it started being used to describe homosexuals. Words change due to the way they are used in society. Do you take offence to Nan having a Gay disposition?

gay
ɡeɪ/
adjective
1.
(of a person, especially a man) homosexual.
2.
dated
light-hearted and carefree.
"Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face"
synonyms: cheerful, cheery, merry, jolly, light-hearted, mirthful, jovial, glad, happy, bright, in good spirits, in high spirits, joyful, elated, exuberant, animated, lively, sprightly, vivacious, buoyant, bouncy, bubbly, perky, effervescent, playful, frolicsome;

We have the same with the word ***, if someone called someone *** and did motions and put on a stupid voice, then this would be offensive. However if you said that removing gay marriage would be ***, this is not offensive.
Context is the most important thing.

Edit, to show that the word is already considered offensive by ZOS even when used in context! Which is censorship for no reason.

Enough of you.

when someone chats- ' learn to play you gay ***' - it is an insult. I do not need to be told what the dictionary has for the word gay. I think I understand where the likes of you are coming from in relation to this.

@stephbay123
As I said already context is important, ' learn to play you gay ***' is abusive so report them if it upsets you. If someone says using arrow spray instead of bombard is Gay, then it's just a comment.

I'll give you another example, as it's not clear from your ending "the likes of you are coming from", if this trying to make out I'm something I'm not!

As you brought up the word N...a, this is currently being re-appropriated by many black youths and Rappers, there are many who still feel this word is offensive and that it's old use should not be forgotten, whereas many think by re-appropriating the word they lessen it's effect as an insult. Both views whilst being Valid, mean the word now has two different meanings to other people, one may take offence to it use, but the other takes it as a term of endearment.

Keep_Door · March 2017

Its not eso its the internet.

Bobby_V_Rockit · March 2017

what I dont understand here is why anyone would make a potential triggering fact known to the gaming community? If someone calls me a derogatory name of any persuasion, they have no idea who or what I am, so what do I care about their empty words?

Its like I used to say in grade school to the "yo mamma" kids. "Have you met or seen her? Otherwise your insults are blind and irrelevant anyway. How do you know this fact you are stating and why should I care?"

Browiseth · March 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Welcome to the internet and gaming world.

@lagrue
because it's the norm that makes it okay?

ignorance does not make you seem wise or experienced

Tabbycat · March 2017

Argawarga wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

... Also, I'm not responsible for other people's behavior so I'm not exactly sure what it is you expect me or the community to do about it.

Discussing the problem diplomatically is a good place to start.

If we can humanize some of the victims of overt bigotry in the eyes of their abusers maybe we can curb their toxic behaviour over time. Also, if we can send a clear message that this kind of behaviour won't be tollerated in our community (guild leaders, I'm looking at you) there may come a time when people just won't feel the need to hit that Ignore button.

We have to try anyway. Inaction comes with it's own consequences, and it looks a hell of a lot like complicity from the position of victims.

So you're asking the community to shun people? I think you are better off letting ZOS deal with players who break TOS.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2017

Turelus wrote: »

This is the stuff people get upset about, this is the stuff the community needs to stand up against. If you're upset by someone saying a normal swear word use a filter (the options there for a reason) if people are being racist/abusive in that form then damn right we should be reporting them and not cultivating that it's okay to do and people should just not be offended.

I'd go further than that. We are supposed to play for fun, which means, to have fun and feel relaxed and welcome in a friendly environment. Negative talk should be condemned even if it is not strictly against the law (like racist/abusive). People can joke and pretend to be aggressive as a joke with their friends, but should refrain from doing so with people they don't know or in front of an anonymous audience. Politeness wasn't created for the sake of political correctness by a bunch of conservatives. Politeness exists as a set of rules to communicate with people we don't know (yet). People should use them IRL as well as online (I don't buy the "but this is the internet" as an excuse). People who think that they can say whatever they want as long as they mean it as a joke should be aware that as long as the receiver of his "joke" doesn't know it is a joke or doesn't accept it as a joke, well... it isn't a joke.

Now I understand that my vision is pretty idealistic, and people will go on provoking if they feel like it. Since there's not much ZOS can do against it, even if they really wanted to, as a result ignore/block/grow a thicker skin is probably good advice.

That being said, I believe that guilds have a big responsibility in keeping the environment pleasant in ESO. Guild leaders should kick disrespectful people. Guild members should talk to their mates when they hear them behaving inappropriately. We should and can refuse to group up and play with people we know are a**h***.

Many posts in this thread tend to say that the reward of a bullier is the discomfort he sees in the reaction of the bullied. I believe it's not the only reward. The real reason a bullier bullies is because he has an audience, because there are people around who watch, listen, and think it's great, strong and cool. That is where all of us can act. We can refuse to be that sort of audience, we can kick nasty people from our circles, our guilds, our groups. If we are all aware of this and act accordingly, that would already go a long way in making the atmosphere more enjoyable. Instead of expecting ZOS (or the state, the law, the government, the teacher, whatever) to ban those people for us, we can already start by banning them from our societies.

GreenhaloX · March 2017

Draqone wrote: »

In all honesty, ESO has a much friendlier community than any other MMO I've played.

Oh wow.. really?! Probably why I cannot pull myself to play another MMO, now that I know and experienced what MMO is like with ESO. No way, man. Ha ha. These kinds of abuse was happening during voice chat, and with the add-on of text chat, this game has become more like a social media. Yes, it has gotten out-of-hand here and there; very toxic and vile comments to include shaming, bullying/badgering, and seemingly online harassments. These are similar as occurring on other social media outlets. However, text chat is an instant messenger. So it is occurring in real time and causes a lot of bad mouthing (mother jokes, particularly; which always ends up arriving to mother jokes) back and forth.. very despicable and immature!!

Also, there are the mob mentalities.. yes, these occur here on the forum too, from time to time. The difference is.. on the in-game text chats, it is real time. This is supposed to be a game, but with so many people/players text chatting away, with many times just nonsense.. are they actually playing the game and getting anything done in the game or what?! Then, you get those, oh, be a man, suck it up or grow a pair.. these folks are adding to the problem! It doesn't matter who you are and how much thick skin you say or think you have, everyone has a limit and a breaking point. You can only take so much. Yes, it is just easy to block, turn off text chat and move on, but you constantly having to do it. You still want to keep the chats on to find out what is happening with what the guild folks are putting out, like price checks or requesting help on something. Yes, this game can make you as an expert on ignoring.

alanmatillab16_ESO · March 2017

Browiseth wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Welcome to the internet and gaming world.

@lagrue
because it's the norm that makes it okay?

ignorance does not make you seem wise or experienced

No one has said that because it is the norm it is ok. That said it *is* the norm for player vs player communities whether they be computer game groups or football supporters about rival teams supporters in real life.

Unlike in real life the tools are provided to remove the person saying whatever it is a player finds offensive, if they *choose* not to then they are choosing to remain in that conversation and have no cause for complaint. It is no different to someone who complains about the content of a TV show then continues to watch it. They are not being a crusader for internet chat justice they are deliberately putting themselves in the situation to play the victim and at that point they are not a victim they are a willing participant.

srfrogg23 · March 2017

Browiseth wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Welcome to the internet and gaming world.

@lagrue
because it's the norm that makes it okay?

ignorance does not make you seem wise or experienced

Well, there's a few things this says about the internet.

1. There isn't much you can do about it, so you might as well let it go. The people who say these things don't personally know you, so how can they truly say anything meaningful about you?

2. You don't actually know them. Sure, they could legitimately be evil *** who are just out to hurt people's feelings. Or...

There could also be other issues with these people. For example, they could suffer from a mental illness, like severe Bi-polar disorder, and they just happened to be in one of their downward slumps at the time that they were slinging insults at everyone. Maybe they couldn't help themselves and they need some serious psychological help and/or medication?

They might be a victim of their own illness.

Yes. There's also a strong possibility that they're just ignorant kids without a frame of reference for why their words are so hurtful. They're just trolling and they're saying anything they think they can to get under your skin. Hopefully they'll change as they get older and more mature, but it's not your job as a complete stranger to raise someone else's kids.

3. Whatever the case may be, you don't know who you're dealing with on the internet, so your best recourse is to let it slide. You are the only person you genuinely know on the internet and the only thing you can actually control is your own reaction.

It's the internet, don't take it personally.

faerigirl · March 2017

Bullying is prevalent throughout the gaming community in my opinion. This is one of the better community's; I believe that when someone pays for a game they have a vested interest in it.

I rarely chat but I do read the chat all the time. I will report any/everyone that is a bullying bigot.

That said, I feel that the people who are the bully/racist/bigot are trying to hide a low self esteem and they flail about hitting anyone in their way because they don't have the inner wisdom to see themselves. Unfortunately there isn't much, if anything, that we can do as a community to actual help them.

Peace

central_scrutinizer · March 2017

"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength"

- Sai Sahan quoting Eric Hoffer

Inklings · March 2017

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

First off, turn off zone chat. I can't say I have ever been whispered because I've killed someone in PvP, does that actually happen?

Play a snipe gank build and watch the tells come in. I quickly learned that I need to stay in offline mode when I Pvp on certain builds.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · March 2017

Welcome to reality. No Safety pins or Safe Spaces. Put those that bother you on your Ignore list. Not a big deal to me.

Burnemdown · March 2017

I'd like to add, before you report, ignore, respond with a

Recremen · March 2017

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Welcome to reality. No Safety pins or Safe Spaces. Put those that bother you on your Ignore list. Not a big deal to me.

@Trinity_Is_My_Name

Actually ESO is literally a safe space and breaching the community standards by using hate speech is a violation of the ToS. Seriously one of the mods even quoted the relevant passage in this thread. The only folk who need thick skin are those who whine after getting banned for failing to uphold their end of the contract and behave like normal decent people.

In reality safe spaces are real and the bans are coming.

central_scrutinizer · March 2017

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Welcome to reality. No Safety pins or Safe Spaces. Put those that bother you on your Ignore list. Not a big deal to me.

But this isn't reality at all, the internet is one big safe space.

Most of the people who hurl insults online absolutely would not do so in person. Or would not do so more then once.