[Homestead] Magika DK PvP Build Discussion

Moglijuana · March 2017

Freeman wrote: »

@Moglijuana What are your thoughts on Spinner's vs Silks of the Sun? For a setup of 5x Spinners, 5x Elegance, 1x Molag Kena. I wasn't sure how the 5pc bonus for the spell pen on Spinner's compared with just the raw spell damage of Silks for our heavy attacks. Plus the 2pc spinners gives max magicka in lieu of 2pc silks for max health

I don't like spinners just because it gives you no help when fighting someone with shields

. I like the raw guaranteed damage from sun.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · March 2017

I read this full thread. Lots of good info but still undecided on what to use for open world mag dk pvp build.

Like the sound of heavy and BSW.
Unsure on wether to go:
5 Kags/seducer/black rose on body.
Then BSW jewels with sword and board, then either resto, destro, sword and board back bar.

I'd be playing mainly solo, so I'm thinking Blood spawn and black rose.

I do have the BSW 1h in sharpened just need a shield.

What traits you guys running?
Sturdy, impen, infused big?

I like the idea of running sturdy but mean low crit resist.

EldritchPenguin · March 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I read this full thread. Lots of good info but still undecided on what to use for open world mag dk pvp build.

Like the sound of heavy and BSW.
Unsure on wether to go:
5 Kags/seducer/black rose on body.
Then BSW jewels with sword and board, then either resto, destro, sword and board back bar.

I'd be playing mainly solo, so I'm thinking Blood spawn and black rose.

I do have the BSW 1h in sharpened just need a shield.

What traits you guys running?
Sturdy, impen, infused big?

I like the idea of running sturdy but mean low crit resist.

As far as heavy sets go:
Kag's will give you the most damage overall, but the least amount of sustain.
Seducer will give you the most Magicka sustain, but it doesn't have a health bonus, and it will have the lowest damage.
Black Rose will give you the most Stamina sustain and more damage than Seducer, but less Magicka sustain, and you will be very dependent on taking that hit every 4 seconds for Constitution.

My personal favorite is Seducer. It pretty much lets me get away with using Spell Damage enchants on jewelry, which is important to me from a practicality standpoint. I commonly use the same jewelry in both PvE and PvP, and it's cheaper to just have one jewelry set (I like to run Willpower in PvP and front bar Destro).

As for your back bar, I'd say that depends on whether or not you want Light's Champion or Eye of Flame. If you want to settle for Bat Swarm or something instead, then just go S&B.

As far as traits go, I like to have 3 Sturdy and 5 Impen, attainable through a Sturdy shield. I run Reinforced on the shield if I'm in light armor. You can also do one Infused large piece with a Prismatic glyph. But I wouldn't skip out on Impen in favor of Sturdy, for the most part. Run at least 5 Impen.

Ghost-Shot · March 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I read this full thread. Lots of good info but still undecided on what to use for open world mag dk pvp build.

Like the sound of heavy and BSW.
Unsure on wether to go:
5 Kags/seducer/black rose on body.
Then BSW jewels with sword and board, then either resto, destro, sword and board back bar.

I'd be playing mainly solo, so I'm thinking Blood spawn and black rose.

I do have the BSW 1h in sharpened just need a shield.

What traits you guys running?
Sturdy, impen, infused big?

I like the idea of running sturdy but mean low crit resist.

For body pieces I try to hit 2k crit resist (counting resistant cp) and the rest sturdy. For your shield I would go either sturdy or reinforced, along with the cp passive you can get a ton of armor out of a reinforced shield. Having an extra piece of sturdy never hurts either. I'm at work so I can't double check right now but I think I'm running 5 impen/ 3 sturdy right now, could probably drop a piece of impen for another sturdy tbh.

Voryn_Dagoth · March 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I read this full thread. Lots of good info but still undecided on what to use for open world mag dk pvp build.

Like the sound of heavy and BSW.
Unsure on wether to go:
5 Kags/seducer/black rose on body.
Then BSW jewels with sword and board, then either resto, destro, sword and board back bar.

I'd be playing mainly solo, so I'm thinking Blood spawn and black rose.

I do have the BSW 1h in sharpened just need a shield.

What traits you guys running?
Sturdy, impen, infused big?

I like the idea of running sturdy but mean low crit resist.

On one hand it is great, that there are so many viable builds for a MagDK in PVP, but on the other, it can create some serious headaches. I spent almost one million gold to acquire several different sets to experiment with, but have to save money anew to improve them accordingly for relatable coomparisons.

Apart from the question whether to play solo or in a group, it also matters whether you play in a CP or No-CP campaign. Without CP, sustain becomes more crucial than damage and for CP it is the other way around, as you can improve sustain with your CP-setup.

If you want to be as independent as possible, you might want to think about two sustain sets. Blobsky just recently shared his current build, where he is running Black Rose + Syrabane. In this regard, I would actually like to try Seducer + Alteration Mastery with all Spell Damage glyphs on jewelry. This could be something great for Azura.

The more common and balanced approach, would be one damage and one sustain set, with either Skoria (more damage) or Blood Spawn (better sustain). BSW + Seducer is a proven build, while I am playing the well known Rattlecage + Seducer combo and can't complain either. Still, I am neither overly happy with the sustain or damage and currently playing around with Black Rose + Spinners and Rattlecage + Spinners and my initial impression of them is great. In regards to the latter, two damage sets work too, but imho only in groups and with CP.

Your traits depend on your build and the playstyle you want go with. It can go from all Impen to any combination of Impen with Sturdy. I am playing mostly on Azura and except for one Sturdy running all Impen, but only because I still haven't got my Impen shoulder piece.

There are obviously a lot of options to go with and a lot of factors at hand. The only things I am certain about, are the Thief Mundus Stone and Cost Reduction instead of Recovery enchants. I used Atronach and tried to get Recovery as high as reasonably possible, but don't feel that it did much of a difference in practice.

For the forseeable future, going heavy with 5/1/1 and dual S&B is probably the safest route. But looking forward to a staff build (with heavy armor?) in the future.

Xvorg · March 2017

Moglijuana wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

@Moglijuana

If I may ask, how do you set up your bars and how do you assign your CP? And what mundus stone do you use?

Front bar is Dampen, Inner Light, Fossilize, Burning Embers, Whip Ult: Ferocious.
Back bar is Igneous, Coagulating, Mist Form, Volatile, Molten Armaments Ult: Lights Champion (resto ulti)

The main CP I focused on for dmg was 100 into Ele Expert, 10 into staff expert and rest into Elfborn. The rest is up to you and how defensive/offensive you want to be. I usually play that build with a small group so I can go more offensive than normal.

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Currently i am playing a light armor mDK built around flame heavy attacks. 5kag/5sun/kena shoulder. Sustain is no issue(main offensive ability restores resource) and damage is great (i can "one-shot" most players with full-charged heavy+stone giant+leap).

Only issue is survivability when outnumbered, but honestly it wasn't all that great in heavy either(at least not against competent players) and now i can usually take a couple with me at least.

Switch Kags for Elegant. Thank me later . I've been using it after playing around with 5 Heavy Seducer/BSW/Bloodspawn and it is much more enjoyable when you can two shot people. I enjoy the normal tanky playstyle but while Outnumbered, you're going to die anyways. So, you might as well blow some people up on the way down like you said As long as I can turn fights into quick 1v1's/1v2's with some LOSing I'm able to 1vX pretty well as the DPS combo's are kind of ridiculous lol.

However, I think the greatest enjoyment I've been getting with elegant/sun is being able to out dps gank blades as they jump in. It's muchhhh better than having to tank & cc them until an ulti is up. 11-12k whips are no joke when paired with a 13-14k heavy destro

@Moglijuana @Sharee

Do either of you know if the Silks of the Sun 5pc bonus affects the Destro staff light/heavy attacks?

I'm looking at running a 5elegant/5sun/1kena for a flame heavy attack build for PvP. I've got the elegant pieces I need, just wondering about the Silks of the Sun bonuses before I buy that gear.

Yep . I've also tried kags vs elegant...The Elegant/Sun/Kena Combo netted the best dps/burst after testing for an hour on a target dummy.

Did Sun even outperform BSW? Because that would heavily surprise me.

Sun did not outperform BSW, but I use sun since its damage is always there. The 8 second window of the BSW proc is too short sometimes to get a full heavy destro combo off. Especially against people on stam builds with shuffle/dodge roll/LOS etc.

What about WMK? I'm using it on a mageblade and seems to work nicely.

What is WMK?

Way of the Martial Knowledge

NBrookus · March 2017

One of the things that's clear with all the magDK build threads lately is that there's no consensus on a BiS build. This is probably a good thing.

There are also sets like Bloodthorn, Alternation Mastery and Syrabane that tend to be ignored but have a lot of potential on DK.

Xvorg · March 2017

NBrookus wrote: »

One of the things that's clear with all the magDK build threads lately is that there's no consensus on a BiS build. This is probably a good thing.

There are also sets like Bloodthorn, Alternation Mastery and Syrabane that tend to be ignored but have a lot of potential on DK.

Syrbane when you HA is reflected

Ishammael · March 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

One of the things that's clear with all the magDK build threads lately is that there's no consensus on a BiS build. This is probably a good thing.

There are also sets like Bloodthorn, Alternation Mastery and Syrabane that tend to be ignored but have a lot of potential on DK.

Syrbane when you HA is reflected

What? Do you mean that if you block your own heavy attack you gain mana from Syrabane?

Lexxypwns · March 2017

So, I helped my wife gear up her mDK with 5 BSW(6 runs to get sharpened 1h and reinforced shield and both rings GG) 5 Black Rose, 3 potentates, 1 Chokethorn/kena

BSW Rings, waist, snb

BR Body pieces

Chokethorn/kena

Potentates neck and back board snb

She only has slimecraw as far as monster sets, but the traits are bad and we happened to have the potentates stuff anyway. Overall the sustain is nuts(shuffle and near-perma block, tons of magika sustain too) and there's definitely enough damage.

Ishammael · March 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

So, I helped my wife gear up her mDK with 5 BSW(6 runs to get sharpened 1h and reinforced

ARE YOU KIDDING?

FML

Do you know how many COA runs I have done...?

Xsorus · March 2017

Anyone try black rose, bloodthorn touch, skoria build yet?

Carelxss · March 2017

Xsorus wrote: »

Anyone try black rose, bloodthorn touch, skoria build yet?

i havent but i think desert rose is better

Zvorgin · March 2017

The fact there are this many options for mDK is only a good thing. Very interesting builds going on in this thread and I'm looking forward to trying many of them.

Lexxypwns · March 2017

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

So, I helped my wife gear up her mDK with 5 BSW(6 runs to get sharpened 1h and reinforced

ARE YOU KIDDING?

FML

Do you know how many COA runs I have done...?

I did ~500, but I needed a sharpened inferno. She can't even do the last boss fight without falling into water yet...

PandaIsAPotato · March 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

So, I helped my wife gear up her mDK with 5 BSW(6 runs to get sharpened 1h and reinforced

ARE YOU KIDDING?

FML

Do you know how many COA runs I have done...?

I did ~500, but I needed a sharpened inferno. She can't even do the last boss fight without falling into water yet...

There's water in the last fight of City of Ash? I've been gone a year, not enough time for lava to turn into water... You have confused me Lexxy. Thoroughly bamboozled am I.

Sharee · March 2017

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

So, I helped my wife gear up her mDK with 5 BSW(6 runs to get sharpened 1h and reinforced

ARE YOU KIDDING?

FML

Do you know how many COA runs I have done...?

I did ~500, but I needed a sharpened inferno. She can't even do the last boss fight without falling into water yet...

There's water in the last fight of City of Ash? I've been gone a year, not enough time for lava to turn into water... You have confused me Lexxy. Thoroughly bamboozled am I.

He probably means COA 1.

Voryn_Dagoth · March 2017

Lexxypwns wrote: »

She only has slimecraw as far as monster sets, but the traits are bad and we happened to have the potentates stuff anyway. Overall the sustain is nuts(shuffle and near-perma block, tons of magika sustain too) and there's definitely enough damage.

Imho, Slimecraw is a really underrated set. When sustain is decently managable and depending on the situations encountered, getting +8% to all damage done is really nice. Since the nerf to crit strikes, I play more with Slimecraw than Skoria, when looking for more damage; even if the first effect is useless.

Twohothardware · March 2017

How many CP do you guys put into Arcanist (Mag Recovery) for your Black Rose/Seducer/Spinner/BSW type mDK builds?

Jjitsuboy98 · March 2017

Twohothardware wrote: »

How many CP do you guys put into Arcanist (Mag Recovery) for your Black Rose/Seducer/Spinner/BSW type mDK builds?

0

Carelxss · March 2017

has anyone tested if bloodthorn is better than desert rose?

Lexxypwns · March 2017

Voryn_Dagoth wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

She only has slimecraw as far as monster sets, but the traits are bad and we happened to have the potentates stuff anyway. Overall the sustain is nuts(shuffle and near-perma block, tons of magika sustain too) and there's definitely enough damage.

Imho, Slimecraw is a really underrated set. When sustain is decently managable and depending on the situations encountered, getting +8% to all damage done is really nice. Since the nerf to crit strikes, I play more with Slimecraw than Skoria, when looking for more damage; even if the first effect is useless.

I think in small group slimecraw is much much better than skoria. When there's focused damage you benefit more from the flat 8% than the burst from skoria, imo. The thing to remember about slimecraw is the more damage you have in your build the more effective that 8% buff becomes. On a Seducer/Rattle build skoria will likely outperform slimecraw, but on a BSW/Kags build slimecraw adds insane damage.

EldritchPenguin · March 2017

Carelxss wrote: »

has anyone tested if bloodthorn is better than desert rose?

Desert Rose has the potential to give you much more Magicka than Bloodthorn. The latter of the two has the advantage of giving you Stamina, and the other advantage of being dependent on your offense as opposed to their offense, giving you more control over your resource management.

iseko · March 2017

Im currently testing seducer + lich + willpower sword and board on main bar (lich s&b offbar) on azura.

All of the above forementioned builds gave serious sustain issues in azura when wearing heavy.

Only have first impressions so far but I can finally sustain a prolonged fight and the dmg is not bad. Dark elf with 3 spell dmg glyphs. 30k mag, 15k stam, 23k health (without emp buff). Spell resist is 32k buffed (37 with BS) and phys resist is 29k (34k with bs).

Spell dmg is 2k unbuffed. Goes up to 3k fully buffed.

The main thing to put out serious dmg with this build is to get a good rotation going and putting talons/fossilize into good use. I reserve fossilize for when im laying down a burst. Ive been fighting 1v1 small 1vX and been winning 1v1 consistently. varying succes with 1vx (*** fear is killing me).

Did some dueling in crag to test with cp's and even managed to kill a magplar (cp600) with it. Did not expect to get past that bol spamming wall. He said he was surprised by the sudden burst when he got fossilized. Going to test it more and tweak it a bit here and there.

Emmagoldman · March 2017

I am trying a light armor and heavy armor build and trying to learn! Any feedback is appreciated! I am looking for two builds, one for 6-12 group team and 1 vs 1 or 1 v x. When I get off of work (at 8a.m.) pvp is pretty dry, so I find myself in 1vx a lot.

My observations so far is light armor seems to do really well in groups. I do have problems in most 1 vs 1 as I do not have the dps and resistance to win. Anyone suggestions on 1 vs 1 with light? Should I try tristat glyphs?

Im currently using alteration mastery (sustain set) and bsw (dps ) and grothar, though I will switch to skoria for more burst or bloodspawn.
Im also dual wield and s/b.

For heavy armor I have a set of black rose and did much better with it in 1v1 and 1vx. I will go all heavy for constitution and I need a second set.

Is black rose more of a sustain set or dmg or kind of in between? I am thinking of going with a set that either gives more dmg or utility. Bso sounds great but that grind is getting old! Im considering skooma smuggler for the expedition passive. The stats look good too. Would mothers sorrow work well to boost heals and dmg or would I lack resource? Any thoughts on material knowledge or spinners?

Questions for skills. Do people prefer fob or entropy? Fob has the dmg, crit and dmg, but empathy the same dmg, dot, and hot

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Skooma+Smuggler+Set

Voryn_Dagoth · March 2017

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Im also dual wield and s/b.

For heavy armor I have a set of black rose and did much better with it in 1v1 and 1vx. I will go all heavy for constitution and I need a second set.

Is black rose more of a sustain set or dmg or kind of in between? I am thinking of going with a set that either gives more dmg or utility. Bso sounds great but that grind is getting old! Im considering skooma smuggler for the expedition passive. The stats look good too. Would mothers sorrow work well to boost heals and dmg or would I lack resource? Any thoughts on material knowledge or spinners?

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Skooma+Smuggler+Set

Imho Black Rose is indeed somewhere in between, a niche-set. It is neither a clear-cut damage, nor a typical sustain one. I am hoping that it gives me enough sustain (with cost reduction enchants), so that I can run it with Spinners. It looks good, but haven't played long enough to reliably judge this.

Looking at Skooma Smuggler, I think that Clever Alchemist would be a much better choice. It is very easy to get and the damage output makes it actually interesting.

Emmagoldman · March 2017

I like the burst potential of clever alchemist. I did switch from grothar to skoria. Huge difference already. I think even with light armkr im putting on good pressure. I think with damage glyphs i will be fine.

The one think with clever alchamist that i dont like are the boost to health. I think id rather have magika. Let me know what works well for you!

psychotic13 · March 2017

Emmagoldman wrote: »

I like the burst potential of clever alchemist. I did switch from grothar to skoria. Huge difference already. I think even with light armkr im putting on good pressure. I think with damage glyphs i will be fine.

The one think with clever alchamist that i dont like are the boost to health. I think id rather have magika. Let me know what works well for you!

That's actually what makes alchemist so great, you can opt to use a different food because with you can rely on the health alchemist gives you (I use mag/mag recov food)

Emmagoldman · March 2017

In long fights, do you have problems when the potion dmg boost drops?

psychotic13 · March 2017

Emmagoldman wrote: »

In long fights, do you have problems when the potion dmg boost drops?

Not really, survivability will still be the same, just try to use the proc when you have the enemy on the back foot or your setting a burst combo up