I never played wow so I have no idea what that means.

COS is supposed to be one of the hardest dungeons in the game. As a level 49 with no CP you wouldn't have been playing long and it should be challenging.

What part was causing you the most trouble?

Nerdman9 wrote: »

So you find it to difficult? It is one of the hardest dungeons you know. I think it would be boring if it was as easy as all the others quite frankly, and cradle is actually one of my favourite dungeons because of the level of difficulty and how it's made. Yes there is a learning curve and yes it takes good group coordination to complete. But once you do it several times it gets easier and easier like anything else.

If it was your first dungeon in ESO I can understand that you could be surprised at the level of difficulty and would recommend doing the other normal dungeons before going into dlc dungeons so you can get used to how dungeons are in this game.

We weren't coordinated one bit. We just got a 300 CP guy and did it anyway. I don't mind difficult dungeons, not Wildstar difficult, but Burning Crusade Heroic absolutely. At max level however, once you get a hang of gear and builds.

The thing is it shouldn't be in the same list as Spindleclutch I if it's "supposed" to be a difficult dungeon. That's what I meant by overtuned.

Gremmel wrote: »

I was a tank in a top 50 raiding guild in WOW BC. I tanked Kael'Thas (for 3 weeks unnerfed!), Illidan and all the oldies.

Cradle of Shadows as a lv49 0 CP nearly made me quit this game. I'm not raiding anymore, I didn't like the stress of progression. A normal dungeon in a notoriously unresponsive MMO expecting me to have the same reaction times and sometimes EVEN BETTER? as when you blocked Illidans Shear ability for 20 minutes straight. It's just not how you design a game.

lol rip
I find that dungeon quite fun. If you were a top raider, you should be able to beat it : ) Esp on normal that place is sooo easy. If you are on pc NA, message me, ill carry you through normal CoS.

First, and not to be snarky, CoS is not a raid. It is a dungeon. ESO raids are termed trials. Now, level 49 in ESO would be best guess somewhere near the equivalent of level 60 in BC (max level 70). You still have 160 CP to gain before you can get the highest level gear. You might not have all of your skill lines maxed, skill points needed, or rotations set. The SoH dungeons were introduced for top tier players to have a challenge and obtain rewarding new sets. Normal dungeons in this situation are used to learn the mechanics. If CP 500+ can burn a boss before the mechanics even tick, the normal dungeon isn't doing its job. I understand the frustration, but wait awhile and try again. It will always be a challenge, but it will be much easier.

Liofa wrote: »

''y'all gonna dps this boss or what ? I am getting bored here"

That was me today, tanking Dranos (the 4th boss in CoS before Velidreth). I'm sitting there blocking his spinaronies while my DD's are playing Heehaw under the statue saying "there are adds to kill!" (Because they keep getting hit by the statue blasts since they are standing directly under it)... im over in the far corner, blocking and yelling "it's the statue you idiots!!!"

I would be 100% A-OK with DLC dungeons being exempt from the pool of random dungeons. The OP's point still stands, there's no comparison between the old normal dungeons and the DLC dungeons. None. Zip zero nada. You do nobody any favors throwing people into those terd holes pretending they're on the same level as everything else.

That is even more true on veteran. You're not clearing vRoM or vCoS with CP50's. Just not happening. As such there shouldn't be a "destined to fail" dungeon mashed in with everything else.

I know I personally usually just leave and wait 15 minutes to requeue if I ever get a random vet DLC dungeon unless I see the entire group is CP300+ (Like they basically should be) to even consider attempting it. It's a waste of time and ultimately super frustrating as most non-meta builds fundamentally cannot complete those dungeons.

So you're mad because a dungeon on normal difficulty is hard?

Don't go into trials then. Axes will hurt. The Warrior will hurt too. Rakkhat is definitely the worst though

theWul wrote: »

Gremmel wrote: »

It flat out just don't belong in the same list as Spindleclutch, that's my whole issue.

The presentation in the dungeon finder definitely needs some tuning - somehow the difficulty has to be visualized (and not by "hey its DLC").
And then there are those unlucky "I" and "II" versions - with a (ridiculous for new players) increase in difficulty but in the same pool for PuGs.

Dunno if some kind of qualification system (achievments?) forcing players to progess through dungeons in a particular order would help?
...at least it would create a rush-through market for CP 600s

Yeah a tuning would be fantastic. Do "I's" before you do a "II" and do a "II" before you do a "DLC"

inb4 OP tries vMA and starts another complain thread

I used to be good at the original legend of zelda...like really good...like no death one sitting runs. In that game, when i was tanking enemies, as long as i faced them, i would auto block projectiles. Fireballs were trickier, needed to upgrade to a bigger shield.

So imagine my dismay when i tried tanking in eso and wouldn't auto block...I almost quit. I even went as far as having the biggest shield around crafted for me...no luck. Now i tank vmol...

Keep at it buddy, your skills at a completely unrelated game will eventually pay off

Yeah K'T's gotta be worth something even now, Illidan too.

OP didn't specify but I'm guessing this was the result of a random queue? I don't necessarily agree CoS needs a nerf but is it not a bit clunky that the group finder could just as easily put you in Spindlecrutch as cos?

I've personally always thought this was odd myself, considering the disparity in difficulty between dungeons. Especially with how poorly that's communicated by the game (not at all iirc).

there had been numerous complaint now and then, that CoS RoM WGT ICP should be a seperate category on their own.

when i queue for randon dungeon, i am expecting fungal grotto, wayrest sewer, direfrost keep, blackhaven, banished cell etc. i do not expect the 4 DLC dungeons.

The only hard thing in normal COS is the Dunmer boss. And that's mostly when people don't know the mechanics or don't do anything when the tank is pinned. That's how a lot of the DLC dungeons are with just 1 hard boss.

ettenmoor wrote: »

I feel there is no need to bash someone, just because their expectations of the tanking role in another MMO did not translate exactly into ESO. The same can easily happen for someone who is good at tanking in ESO, and goes to another MMO which has a different "model" of tanking.

OP, I was much the same when I came to ESO from WoW, intending to tank. I had a rude shock much like you, albeit CoS hadn't been released then. I understand. Just keep adjusting, and you'll be fine. If an average player like me can end up tanking HM Rakkhat, there is no reason that you won't end up getting good tanking in here.

Sometimes, a little more empathy in the forums, I feel, would be good for everybody
Yes?

Pretty much this^. While I've never ran with Ettenmoor personally (still envy that skin when I see you by the Wayrest Wayshrine tree), it takes some getting used to. And empathy in the forums and the game I think takes that ESO experience a little further I'm finding; especially since I've started to dip my toes into vet trial progression (working on vSO HM currently). Perseverance and consistency really pays off in the end and I'm seeing it. Granted I don't tank, but I feel it all applies in any role.

Though to further the OP's edited point; I do have to agree there. Group finder in general tends to be weird and wonky. Especially if people are queuing for a random and they get CoS (normal or veteran). Though I also see it from those that would like to have these in randoms. I kind of feel there should be some kind of toggle to be eligible. Not just by if you have the DLC (could be modular in the sense that if you wanted to queue for IC dungeons you could, but exclude yourself from SotH dungeons). I think something like that would help with it as they start fixing group finder to have specific queues for certain CP thresholds.