Is it just me or are Magika Sorcs the best for both PvP and PvE now??

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

Cherryblossom wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

What exactly is “hard“ when it comes to playing a Sorc? Compared to a Nightblade, Sorc is super easy and it doesn't matter if Stamina or Magicka. And I am not talking about one shot ganker Nightblades but the ones that rely on rotations / other things than stacking buffs and onehitting players.

Sorc is super easy from start to finish.

Ummm nope. Magsorc is a case of high skill floor high skill ceiling. An average player cannot burst people down while maintaining shields.
Yes hardest to play is magblade, no argument in that.
Yes stamsorc is case of low skill floor but powerful af, no argument in that.

@hmsdragonfly
No high skill ceiling with Sorc, simple rotation, curse, shields then frag which will be the same time as Curse procs, easiest burst in the game.

Try to do it. That's pathetic damage, you won't kill anyone.

cpuScientist wrote: »

Oh my. Yes I understand you people play sorc and want to feel like you are doing this super hard complicated rotation in PVE, or this amazing feat in PvP.

But it's easy as all heck c'mon, last patch with the 3.5 second curses it used to be more difficult to keep up dots and curse effectively. But ZOS removed all effort and now it's just a simple rotation. I did not mean to trigger all of you. But it's unbelievably easy to play this class. It's the best a d easiest to solo with, to get a clear of VMA with, To carry in 4 man dungeons with. Best DPS in endgame right now. The burst combo curse wrath force pulse till frag then launch that frag when curse goes off. All in 3.5 seconds if it fails shield up and try again, all doable while mine camping.

Sorc does not have a high skill barrier to get into. Magblade MagDk do, Templar is similarly easy but this patch to do competent damage you have to juggle 6 second dots so it got a touch more wonky.

Of the magicka classes to solo with, sorc has the easier time aswell. Mines to keep people out of, streak to escape and good burst. MagBlade just doesn't have that ease, MagDK has to stand their ground completely and while it's doable it's not easy. Templar has to stand their ground and same as doable not easy.

I'm not saying sorcs are bad or take no skill or need nerfs. But they are the easiest class to play this patch. Yes they take skill to get to the highest of potential lol but so does every other class. Stop being silly Willie's guys.

Look like you are the one who is triggered and in the defensive mode, not us.

Why do you have to avoid all the points I made? Magblade is the hardest class to play, imo, highest skill cap, then come magsorc and magdk, which are equally hard to do well, even if you insist magdk is harder to play, then we have stamplar, stamblade, magplar, stamdk left.

Yeah we all know that magsorc has good burst, if you can utilize it. Most average players don't know how to burst or cannot execute the combo effectively, while it's much easier for an average player to do decently as a stamdk for example, just spam your spammable then spam executioner/reverse slice when the enemy is low in HP. That's it, you don't need to learn any combo, you don't need to time anything, you don't need to do all the animation cancelling to finish the combo before the ward runs out, you don't need to worry about keeping your wards up. Tl,dr: high skill floor.

CyrusArya · March 2017

The major downsides to the class are this:

1.) As powerful as a sorc is at range or in the open field, in tight spaces and close quarters where many bodies are involved it is probably the worst class. This is because things like healing over time, dodge roll, and blocking are far more effective in chaotic environments. Furthermore, healing has better synergy potential with existent game mechanics than shields do. In organized group vs group engagements, any smart team will focus the sorc first and there is a reason for that.

2.) The entirety of this classes offensive capabilities are timed and telegraphed. This is a double edged sword. On the one hand, against bad players (like those who complain about sorcs on the forums) it allows for insane burst and overwhelming pressure. But against good players who know how to counter the class, it allows for stalemates against literally ever other class that is played well. Something that isn't the case for classes that have instant up front burst.

Sorcerer is the most counter-able class, because it is the most predictable. That is the weakness.

TL;DR- get good & learn to play, or otherwise bow down to your sorcerer overlords.

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

Seraphayel wrote: »

Why is it harder than most other classes? If the average MagSorc playstyle is easier than playing a MagBlade it doesn't change when it gets to playing “extremely well“. It is not harder to play a Sorc “extremely well“ when you compare it to other specs that you want to play “extremely well“, too.

Guy 1: "Magblade is the hardest class to play imo"
Guy 2: "That's correct, and because magblade is the hardest to play, it means magsorc is the easiest class to play".

No, that's not how an argument works, magblade is the hardest class to play doesn't mean magsorc is the easiest class to play.

From hardest to easiest:

Magblade > Magdk = Magsorc > Stamblade > Stamplar > Stamdk > Stam sorc > Magplar.

I agree with you that there should be a nerf on pet.

grannas211 · March 2017

nevermind, ,misread

cpuScientist · March 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Why is it harder than most other classes? If the average MagSorc playstyle is easier than playing a MagBlade it doesn't change when it gets to playing “extremely well“. It is not harder to play a Sorc “extremely well“ when you compare it to other specs that you want to play “extremely well“, too.

Guy 1: "Magblade is the hardest class to play imo"
Guy 2: "That's correct, and because magblade is the hardest to play, it means magsorc is the easiest class to play".

No, that's not how an argument works, magblade is the hardest class to play doesn't mean magsorc is the easiest class to play.

From hardest to easiest:

Magblade > Magdk = Magsorc > Stamblade > Stamplar > Stamdk > Stam sorc > Magplar.

I agree with you that there should be a nerf on pet.

LOL. Ok I'm done hahahahahahahaha.

To all the sorcs on this thread that I have offended.

You guys are playing the hardest class with the most difficult rotation. How you do it is beyond me. The skill level OMG through the roof. Just imagine what you could accomplish on an easier class you would all be GODS!!! So keep up the good work lol.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2017

"Is it just me or are Magika Sorcs the best for both PvP and PvE now?? "
It is not only you.. sorcerer is super OP when compared to NB, DK and even Templar...

Grabmoore wrote: »

Yes, you are correct OP. Sorcs are ez mode and OP for most situations.

My decision in that case was to finally gold out my Sorc. It's a safe option.

Nbs funnel doesn't get used? ZOS nerf it.

Templar are not best dps in PvE and forced to meele? ZOS nerf them.

Sorcs get the best scores in weeklies, have mobility, range and small group buffs? Buff em, because balance.....

Agree on that. Sorcerer is the most commonly met class in PvP for a reason. 90% of times when I am killed and I press "T" to show what exactly it was - it is a stack of sorcerer skills. Furthermore - sorcerer has highest DPS, mobility, dmg shield and pretty much everything.
The most BS part about sorcerer is that "Haunting Curse" (Daedric Curse morph) stacks... so if I am running away from a 50 + zerg, (far... like really far.. something like 500 meters) and meanwhile I had like 10 hunting curse explosions...

It is just Fire & Forget.. just spam that one button... the game will play itself for you...

With limited "cleansing / purification" (negative effect removal) abilities this is impossible to counter. And as far as I know NB don't have such a possibility (Dark Cloak used to have it... but guess what ? It was NERFED ).

So in order to counter sorcerer / not get killed by one.. you also have to be a sorcerer - which is another BS.

btw. All other classes were nerfed (NB probably suffered the most, as 99% of people says that it is the weakest class in eso).
I just hope that some day ZOS will nerf sorcerer... because the things that those sorcerers are doing in PvP is just ridiculous

Stovahkiin · March 2017

Nope, it's just you OP

hmsdragonfly · March 2017

cpuScientist wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Why is it harder than most other classes? If the average MagSorc playstyle is easier than playing a MagBlade it doesn't change when it gets to playing “extremely well“. It is not harder to play a Sorc “extremely well“ when you compare it to other specs that you want to play “extremely well“, too.

Guy 1: "Magblade is the hardest class to play imo"
Guy 2: "That's correct, and because magblade is the hardest to play, it means magsorc is the easiest class to play".

No, that's not how an argument works, magblade is the hardest class to play doesn't mean magsorc is the easiest class to play.

From hardest to easiest:

Magblade > Magdk = Magsorc > Stamblade > Stamplar > Stamdk > Stam sorc > Magplar.

I agree with you that there should be a nerf on pet.

LOL. Ok I'm done hahahahahahahaha.

To all the sorcs on this thread that I have offended.

You guys are playing the hardest class with the most difficult rotation. How you do it is beyond me. The skill level OMG through the roof. Just imagine what you could accomplish on an easier class you would all be GODS!!! So keep up the good work lol.

Well, if you cannot take part in a constructive and civilized discussion, you can always go

KingYogi415 · March 2017

All the people crying that mag is better then stam, are probably all the same people who were crying a couple months ago that stam dominated all PVE and PVP.

Just stop whining like a 5 year old when things don't go your way.

Learn to adapt to the META, if something seems OP to you just play it.

Not knowing how to fight a magsorc in pvp means there is something wrong with you, not the game.

No class is easy to 1vx in PVP, but it does seem as a convenient excuse for someone's ego to just blame a class over learning to play

Rant Over!

caperon · March 2017

PVE: Mag sorc are the best by miles. Best dps and ranged.
PVP: Sorc combo is so busted that even with my orc stamsorc pelinnal build i managed to kill people with the usual curse-frag-execute combo.

Vahrokh · March 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

While I do think Sorcerers are very strong, I also think it's a mistake to single them as somehow overpowered compared to the other classes. With the powercreep and CPs, any class can be ridiculously powerful if skillfully played.

Be wary of the ZoS nerfhammer. During the 1.5 patch, sorcerers were terrible; the only redeeming thing they had was Negate in PvP.

Here's the point: you, me and others were there when things were so bad.

You, me and others PLAY the classes they talk about.

Others, who know it all, point the finger but they never, ever provide their own example.

Sure, if I would see @Seraphayel or @cpuScientist saying:

"It's so easy, look how I do it:" plus video of their PvE and PvP performance, they could have more credibility.

But no, they don't. They toss random, general statements, sometimes desperately clinging to some super-rare example of top world player achieving something after years of constant practice, top notch consummables spammed all the way, top notch gear and whatsnot.

In the eyes of the likes of @Seraphayel or @cpuScientist, looking at such kind of player EQUALS to proving the whole class is under / overpowered.

No, it's a fallacy. It's like saying Rolls Royce is a car => every car should be as good as a Rolls Royce.

Vahrokh · March 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

btw. All other classes were nerfed (NB probably suffered the most, as 99% of people says that it is the weakest class in eso).
I just hope that some day ZOS will nerf sorcerer... because the things that those sorcerers are doing in PvP is just ridiculous

Apparently you played too little. Sorcs were uber-nerfed for close to 1.5 years.
It's not a small feat, for a MMO whose entire lifespan is 3 years!

Seraphayel · March 2017

Vahrokh wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

While I do think Sorcerers are very strong, I also think it's a mistake to single them as somehow overpowered compared to the other classes. With the powercreep and CPs, any class can be ridiculously powerful if skillfully played.

Be wary of the ZoS nerfhammer. During the 1.5 patch, sorcerers were terrible; the only redeeming thing they had was Negate in PvP.

Here's the point: you, me and others were there when things were so bad.

You, me and others PLAY the classes they talk about.

Others, who know it all, point the finger but they never, ever provide their own example.

Sure, if I would see @Seraphayel or @cpuScientist saying:

"It's so easy, look how I do it:" plus video of their PvE and PvP performance, they could have more credibility.

But no, they don't. They toss random, general statements, sometimes desperately clinging to some super-rare example of top world player achieving something after years of constant practice, top notch consummables spammed all the way, top notch gear and whatsnot.

In the eyes of the likes of @Seraphayel or @cpuScientist, looking at such kind of player EQUALS to proving the whole class is under / overpowered.

No, it's a fallacy. It's like saying Rolls Royce is a car => every car should be as good as a Rolls Royce.

I am not sure if it's me or you who's clinging to something. You're clearly playing a Sorc and you don't want your (overpowered) class to get nerfed because... why? Either Sorc is overpowered or other classes / specs are underpowered. In the end it doesn't matter because there is a gap that shouldn't be there. As I said pages ago, I'd prefer classes getting buffed instead of getting nerfed, e.g. some buffs for (Mag)NBs instead of nerf for Sorcs.

Violynne · March 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

In PvP they have everything, a *** ton of stuns, self heal, massive shields, execute and high mobility
In PvE they have the highest dps+execute along with minor vulnerability with their lightning damage and of course the massive shields.

They are the best VMA Class Period.

So what exactly is their weak point if they have any?? All other classes have major weak points I can identify except Magika Sorcs

As a magSorc, I have to ask: "What the hell?"

Most stuns can be negated by dodge rolls, because most players know this is usually a sorc's first attack. The only thing a sorc gets here is lost magicka.

Self heal? Not unless they're spamming their pet. The spell to translate physical attack to health is worthless, considering the trade off is less than 1/3 restored per damage received. The cost to cast certainly doesn't give an advantage. It's more a disadvantage.

Massive Shields? Sure, they help, but this is a micro-managment system I have to deal with. As soon as they drop, we're squishy. Best believe others are paying very close attention, just biding their time.

Execute? Hmm. Not sure how I feel about this one. It's saved me plenty in PvE, no question, but in PvP? Hard to hit a moving target. The only benefit this has only affects those not paying attention.

High mobility? Bolt is pointless. More than half the time, it causes more problems than benefits. Grant me 40% speed? Sure, go ahead and take a kidney for the cost of a few seconds of movement.

PvE gives the highest DPS? I must be playing my character wrong. I cannot count the number of times I see NBs and DKs rush up and take down an enemy in 2-3 hits while I stand there looking befuddled, waiting for my next attack to charge. Sure, when it hits, it's great, but the time between deliveries can mean the difference between using a soul gem or throwing up another shield to gain protection.

Lightning damage is sweet, but it's also limited. Damage over time is not a sorc's best friend, because not too many enemies stand in place, both PvE and PvP.

Currently, I'm trying to take full advantage of my skillset. Gone are the food/drink buffs, the pet's on vacation, leaving me only with my spells and a bunch of angry mobs.

Things aren't going so well for me, proving to me at least, I'm not as strong as I thought I was.

I'm sure this will get even worse when I reset my CP points.

LadyLavina · March 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

In PvP they have everything

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nope nope nope and nope.

ITT: Op wants sorc nerfs.

Malamar1229 · March 2017

On trueflame, i call people like the OP "Potato Draconis." If you play on TF, you'd know why

Malamar1229 · March 2017

Or Serra Potatoes

Vahrokh · March 2017

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am not sure if it's me or you who's clinging to something. You're clearly playing a Sorc and you don't want your (overpowered) class to get nerfed because... why? Either Sorc is overpowered or other classes / specs are underpowered. In the end it doesn't matter because there is a gap that shouldn't be there. As I said pages ago, I'd prefer classes getting buffed instead of getting nerfed, e.g. some buffs for (Mag)NBs instead of nerf for Sorcs.

I clearly play a magsorc, a DK tank and a magplar.

I like all 3, however I play mages since Baldur's Gate times so I have an obvious preference for ranged DPS.

I had to endure years of being the ESO bottom feeder, from closed beta onwards. I got my loyalty tiger reward and all and still had to avoid using pets (only use was to make them explode!). I farmed trials and still had to buy Martial Knowledge and other spare stuff because Sorcs own trials drops sucked so hard they were useless.
I had to sit out first DPS check / end of trial boss kills, because "sorry, we need as much DPS as possible, only NBs and DKs (plus the heal spec Templars) are allowed".

And now, after YEARS we finally became competitive. But all you can think about is, you want to take it all away AGAIN???

NOPE.

Minalan · March 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Or Serra Potatoes

Or just 'potatoes'.

I'm pretty sure after last night we sent more than a few straight here to the forums screaming for sorc nerfs. I blame @Teargrants . He's an unstoppable menace.

Anti_Virus · March 2017

Vahrokh wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am not sure if it's me or you who's clinging to something. You're clearly playing a Sorc and you don't want your (overpowered) class to get nerfed because... why? Either Sorc is overpowered or other classes / specs are underpowered. In the end it doesn't matter because there is a gap that shouldn't be there. As I said pages ago, I'd prefer classes getting buffed instead of getting nerfed, e.g. some buffs for (Mag)NBs instead of nerf for Sorcs.

I clearly play a magsorc, a DK tank and a magplar.

I like all 3, however I play mages since Baldur's Gate times so I have an obvious preference for ranged DPS.

I had to endure years of being the ESO bottom feeder, from closed beta onwards. I got my loyalty tiger reward and all and still had to avoid using pets (only use was to make them explode!). I farmed trials and still had to buy Martial Knowledge and other spare stuff because Sorcs own trials drops sucked so hard they were useless.
I had to sit out first DPS check / end of trial boss kills, because "sorry, we need as much DPS as possible, only NBs and DKs (plus the heal spec Templars) are allowed".

And now, after YEARS we finally became competitive. But all you can think about is, you want to take it all away AGAIN???

NOPE.

Um mSorcs never 'suffered' anything for years the class was in a good spot It just needed the pets to be viable which it is now.

MSorcs were to only class consistently able to ignore machanics like standing in the red AoEs and buring down bosses( Remeber vWGT? 4 Ward stacking sorcs with 1K overload ultimate was fun as hell) and cast from range. Now the answer isn't to nerf them but to bring other classes up to their level.

Bramir · March 2017

Lore_lai wrote: »

Prepare to be lynched, OP, by all the rabid sorcs.

Even the devs fold to them.

You mean like how they caved to us regarding bolt escape? Alternative history, right?

Alpheu5 · March 2017

I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself:

Alpheu5 wrote: »

3. "I would have won if..."

I have no problem admitting that I'm guilty of having this mentality a multitude of times when the reality is the defeat was inevitable. If you are not familiar with it:
Player gets into fight.

Player loses fight.

Player sees loss as unjustified.

Player thinks a different scenario would have resulted in a victory.

There are instances where it is true, such as "I would have won if they didn't dodge that execute." or "I would have beaten them if 13 of their teammates didn't come running around the corner." A lot of the time, the recipient was outplayed by a more skilled player. Unfortunately, some cases are due in part to genuinely unbalanced aspects of the game, so the "nerf this/buff that" comments that come about from unhappy players that lost to a more skilled player get mixed together with the "nerf this/buff that" comments addressing the actual issues with the game, and there's no way to filter which one is which.

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A big part of this is selective perspective. If someone has a hard time fighting Dragonknights, they tend to notice Dragonknights more in PvP, and soon enough the only deaths they pay attention to are deaths by Dragonknights, so therefore Dragonknights are overpowered.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

"Is it just me or are Magika Sorcs the best for both PvP and PvE now?? "
It is not only you.. sorcerer is super OP when compared to NB, DK and even Templar...

Grabmoore wrote: »

Yes, you are correct OP. Sorcs are ez mode and OP for most situations.

My decision in that case was to finally gold out my Sorc. It's a safe option.

Nbs funnel doesn't get used? ZOS nerf it.

Templar are not best dps in PvE and forced to meele? ZOS nerf them.

Sorcs get the best scores in weeklies, have mobility, range and small group buffs? Buff em, because balance.....

Agree on that. Sorcerer is the most commonly met class in PvP for a reason. 90% of times when I am killed and I press "T" to show what exactly it was - it is a stack of sorcerer skills. Furthermore - sorcerer has highest DPS, mobility, dmg shield and pretty much everything.
The most BS part about sorcerer is that "Haunting Curse" (Daedric Curse morph) stacks... so if I am running away from a 50 + zerg, (far... like really far.. something like 500 meters) and meanwhile I had like 10 hunting curse explosions...
It is just Fire & Forget.. just spam that one button... the game will play itself for you...

With limited "cleansing / purification" (negative effect removal) abilities this is impossible to counter. And as far as I know NB don't have such a possibility (Dark Cloak used to have it... but guess what ? It was NERFED ).

So in order to counter sorcerer / not get killed by one.. you also have to be a sorcerer - which is another BS.

btw. All other classes were nerfed (NB probably suffered the most, as 99% of people says that it is the weakest class in eso).
I just hope that some day ZOS will nerf sorcerer... because the things that those sorcerers are doing in PvP is just ridiculous

It's asinine to judge anything based on its implementation in a 1vZerg setting. If you're running from 50 people, that in and of itself is your problem, not the 10 sorcerers in the group that hit you with a Haunting Curse. Curse has always been stackable between players. The only difference now is that it explodes again after a huge pause, giving more than enough time to cleanse all of them or heal back up to brace for the second bangs. Also, Curse isn't spammable. If it's recast before the first explosion goes off, the timer starts over.

Vahrokh · March 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am not sure if it's me or you who's clinging to something. You're clearly playing a Sorc and you don't want your (overpowered) class to get nerfed because... why? Either Sorc is overpowered or other classes / specs are underpowered. In the end it doesn't matter because there is a gap that shouldn't be there. As I said pages ago, I'd prefer classes getting buffed instead of getting nerfed, e.g. some buffs for (Mag)NBs instead of nerf for Sorcs.

I clearly play a magsorc, a DK tank and a magplar.

I like all 3, however I play mages since Baldur's Gate times so I have an obvious preference for ranged DPS.

I had to endure years of being the ESO bottom feeder, from closed beta onwards. I got my loyalty tiger reward and all and still had to avoid using pets (only use was to make them explode!). I farmed trials and still had to buy Martial Knowledge and other spare stuff because Sorcs own trials drops sucked so hard they were useless.
I had to sit out first DPS check / end of trial boss kills, because "sorry, we need as much DPS as possible, only NBs and DKs (plus the heal spec Templars) are allowed".

And now, after YEARS we finally became competitive. But all you can think about is, you want to take it all away AGAIN???

NOPE.

Um mSorcs never 'suffered' anything for years the class was in a good spot It just needed the pets to be viable which it is now.

MSorcs were to only class consistently able to ignore machanics like standing in the red AoEs and buring down bosses( Remeber vWGT? 4 Ward stacking sorcs with 1K overload ultimate was fun as hell) and cast from range. Now the answer isn't to nerf them but to bring other classes up to their level.

You don't even play for long enough to recall how sorcs were.

Also, I have done my fair share of AA and SO to know the "ignore mechanics like standing in the red AoE" is totally untrue. You die just fine.

Finally, never, not even a single time, has happened that developers have buffed lesser classes to others. They ALWAYS nerf. And you know it.

Vahrokh · March 2017

Last but not least: I am so tired. I play or have played about every western MMO out there since before 2000.

Not a single day has passed since before 2000, in which some BADDIE has come to the forums to demand nerfs on somebody else, even in the purest PvE only, most casual MMOs.

And almost ALWAYS, the developers have been so stupid to actually ultra-extra-nerf. Making their MMO balance more and more impossible until they closed down. In fact you can't just apply every possible nerf being demanded, all you'd be left with are the WASD + autoattack abilities. And even then, some would still find ways to complain.

I am sure that if I stop playing ESO again and come back and randomly pick my Templar, I SHALL see "NERF TEMPLARS NAO" threads all over the place. But I could pick any class in any MMO, really, there's always someone who just can't lose once in his life without calling the nerf police.

Zinaroth · March 2017

Topic title pretty much nailed it.

aLi3nZ · March 2017

I would say mag sorc is better or at least easier to well with then mage blade and magika Templar. I haven't played other classes enough to say. Got to say, I love my current sorc build. I can solo run ic city killing the world bosses with ease. 14.3k telvar per boss kill. 50k magika magika 1800 regen and healing clan flare that does all the tanking for me. So basically playing all classes quite successfully. Healer, tank, dps. Had a few great pvp battles vs those wearing the imperial physique set as well but not much of a fair fight when there is 6+ enemies.

Anti_Virus · March 2017

Vahrokh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am not sure if it's me or you who's clinging to something. You're clearly playing a Sorc and you don't want your (overpowered) class to get nerfed because... why? Either Sorc is overpowered or other classes / specs are underpowered. In the end it doesn't matter because there is a gap that shouldn't be there. As I said pages ago, I'd prefer classes getting buffed instead of getting nerfed, e.g. some buffs for (Mag)NBs instead of nerf for Sorcs.

I clearly play a magsorc, a DK tank and a magplar.

I like all 3, however I play mages since Baldur's Gate times so I have an obvious preference for ranged DPS.

I had to endure years of being the ESO bottom feeder, from closed beta onwards. I got my loyalty tiger reward and all and still had to avoid using pets (only use was to make them explode!). I farmed trials and still had to buy Martial Knowledge and other spare stuff because Sorcs own trials drops sucked so hard they were useless.
I had to sit out first DPS check / end of trial boss kills, because "sorry, we need as much DPS as possible, only NBs and DKs (plus the heal spec Templars) are allowed".

And now, after YEARS we finally became competitive. But all you can think about is, you want to take it all away AGAIN???

NOPE.

Um mSorcs never 'suffered' anything for years the class was in a good spot It just needed the pets to be viable which it is now.

MSorcs were to only class consistently able to ignore machanics like standing in the red AoEs and buring down bosses( Remeber vWGT? 4 Ward stacking sorcs with 1K overload ultimate was fun as hell) and cast from range. Now the answer isn't to nerf them but to bring other classes up to their level.

You don't even play for long enough to recall how sorcs were.

Also, I have done my fair share of AA and SO to know the "ignore mechanics like standing in the red AoE" is totally untrue. You die just fine.

Finally, never, not even a single time, has happened that developers have buffed lesser classes to others. They ALWAYS nerf. And you know it.

I can guarantee you when shields were 20 secs MSorcs were glass cannon tanks when they could shield stack although Annulment didn't have physical damage most pve damage was magic based.

Having 2 giant possible 15-20k wards for 20 secs was a recipe for ultimate cheese and success.

Vahrokh · March 2017

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am not sure if it's me or you who's clinging to something. You're clearly playing a Sorc and you don't want your (overpowered) class to get nerfed because... why? Either Sorc is overpowered or other classes / specs are underpowered. In the end it doesn't matter because there is a gap that shouldn't be there. As I said pages ago, I'd prefer classes getting buffed instead of getting nerfed, e.g. some buffs for (Mag)NBs instead of nerf for Sorcs.

I clearly play a magsorc, a DK tank and a magplar.

I like all 3, however I play mages since Baldur's Gate times so I have an obvious preference for ranged DPS.

I had to endure years of being the ESO bottom feeder, from closed beta onwards. I got my loyalty tiger reward and all and still had to avoid using pets (only use was to make them explode!). I farmed trials and still had to buy Martial Knowledge and other spare stuff because Sorcs own trials drops sucked so hard they were useless.
I had to sit out first DPS check / end of trial boss kills, because "sorry, we need as much DPS as possible, only NBs and DKs (plus the heal spec Templars) are allowed".

And now, after YEARS we finally became competitive. But all you can think about is, you want to take it all away AGAIN???

NOPE.

Um mSorcs never 'suffered' anything for years the class was in a good spot It just needed the pets to be viable which it is now.

MSorcs were to only class consistently able to ignore machanics like standing in the red AoEs and buring down bosses( Remeber vWGT? 4 Ward stacking sorcs with 1K overload ultimate was fun as hell) and cast from range. Now the answer isn't to nerf them but to bring other classes up to their level.

You don't even play for long enough to recall how sorcs were.

Also, I have done my fair share of AA and SO to know the "ignore mechanics like standing in the red AoE" is totally untrue. You die just fine.

Finally, never, not even a single time, has happened that developers have buffed lesser classes to others. They ALWAYS nerf. And you know it.

I can guarantee you when shields were 20 secs MSorcs were glass cannon tanks when they could shield stack although Annulment didn't have physical damage most pve damage was magic based.

Having 2 giant possible 15-20k wards for 20 secs was a recipe for ultimate cheese and success.

I don't recall of a single sorc being main tank in trials thanks to whatever gimnick or shield.

Actually, those who cry rivers, never remind how sorcs aren't competitive either as main tank or healer and therefore are relegated into DPS or off-healing. On the contrary, I have completed trials with DK / NB and Templar tanks, DK / NB / Templar DPS and, of course, Templar healer.

So, sorcs are more or less forced to DPS or off-heal and people find it unbalanced the fact they are good at DPS.

Hell, yeah! Let's remove DPS from a class only good for trials DPS, that's going to end well!

Seraphayel · March 2017

Vahrokh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

I am not sure if it's me or you who's clinging to something. You're clearly playing a Sorc and you don't want your (overpowered) class to get nerfed because... why? Either Sorc is overpowered or other classes / specs are underpowered. In the end it doesn't matter because there is a gap that shouldn't be there. As I said pages ago, I'd prefer classes getting buffed instead of getting nerfed, e.g. some buffs for (Mag)NBs instead of nerf for Sorcs.

I clearly play a magsorc, a DK tank and a magplar.

I like all 3, however I play mages since Baldur's Gate times so I have an obvious preference for ranged DPS.

I had to endure years of being the ESO bottom feeder, from closed beta onwards. I got my loyalty tiger reward and all and still had to avoid using pets (only use was to make them explode!). I farmed trials and still had to buy Martial Knowledge and other spare stuff because Sorcs own trials drops sucked so hard they were useless.
I had to sit out first DPS check / end of trial boss kills, because "sorry, we need as much DPS as possible, only NBs and DKs (plus the heal spec Templars) are allowed".

And now, after YEARS we finally became competitive. But all you can think about is, you want to take it all away AGAIN???

NOPE.

Um mSorcs never 'suffered' anything for years the class was in a good spot It just needed the pets to be viable which it is now.

MSorcs were to only class consistently able to ignore machanics like standing in the red AoEs and buring down bosses( Remeber vWGT? 4 Ward stacking sorcs with 1K overload ultimate was fun as hell) and cast from range. Now the answer isn't to nerf them but to bring other classes up to their level.

You don't even play for long enough to recall how sorcs were..

Sorcs never were bad. Neither in PvE nor in PvP. Most of the time they've been “good to excellent“ (longer than any other class, maybe only DK comes close). There was never a time were Sorcs were considered “bad“ or “useless“ because they've been pretty good from launch until now. You know which class was pretty bad? Magblades. And guess what, they're still suffering.

Dreyloch · March 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

Nobody uses that super imba execute in PvE - no point.

Mag sorc lacks instant damage ultimate since dawnbreaker now scales from stamina.

Mag sorc has no class spammable since tapping webs became stamina ability, so they are forced to use staff.

Mag sorc has no instant heal.

Judt play mag sorc for couple of weeks and you will see what are their weaknesses.

Ok, that's the second time someone has responded with this in this thread. I forget what it's stam cost counterpart is called, but Dark Deal anyone? Hello? Granted this doesn't get you to full HP and magicka/stam. It also has a small cast time, but it IS a heal. Being technical about it, yeah, it's not instant. But it's pulled my backside out of the fire plenty of times. The cast time on it is probably only there because of the magicka/stam it also gives back depending on the morph.