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Banned for keyboard macro
Stuper
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So, apparently you can't use a keyboard macro to attack between casts in this game without getting banned?
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nope, anything that inputs for you outside of you doing it yourself is against T.O.S.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.3 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So, apparently you can't use a keyboard macro to attack between casts in this game without getting banned?
I am impressed you got caught, though. Go ZOS!XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Stuper✭✭The T.O.S. need to be updated to be more specific, because I'm not modifying the game in any way. Seems a bit overboard to me.3
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seems you missed the part about automating actions being against the TOSEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://www.zenimax.com/legal_terms_us
9. Your Use of the Services
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
Stuper✭✭They said I was a "bot" that required no human input technically, but using the macro does require human input. It's not a program I am running in the background to automate my entire game. I had to be at my computer, pressing buttons on my keyboard, using my mouse, as I would any other time.
I guess I disagree with the specifics, and feel the word "macro" should be specifically be added to the list in the Code of Conduct.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They said I was a "bot" that required no human input technically, but using the macro does require human input. It's not a program I am running in the background to automate my entire game. I had to be at my computer, pressing buttons on my keyboard, using my mouse, as I would any other time.
I guess I disagree with the specifics, and feel the word "macro" should be specifically be added to the list in the Code of Conduct.
This is what I figured . You got punished for your behavior in game . Sitting in one spot farming with a group or by yourself and going Afk . That's what you got busted for . Afk combat is not allowed .2 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They even ban rubber band use. Basically you have to press all keys yourself or don't play.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We know there have been a lot of questions recently about botting, automated play, what’s a Terms of Service Violation and what isn’t, and what we’re doing to combat TOS-violating behavior. We’d like to answer some of those questions and provide insight.
Per our Terms of Service, this is the definition of botting and automated play:Utilizing automation for your character is a violation of our Terms of Service. This is defined as taking action on your character, without human input, to further advance your progress in the game. Which is considered botting.
Recently, some of you have asked if it’s okay to put tape or a rubber band on your controller. The short answer is “No.” Automating your character in any way, including placing tape or a rubber-band on a console controller, is considered a violation of our Terms of Service, and action may be taken on your account. You must be actively controlling your character.
In regards to our efforts to combat botting and automated play, we’re tackling it on two fronts: Game Development and Customer Support.
On the Game Development front, we are auditing the monsters that are most commonly targeted by those who bot and automate play to ensure the spawn timers are what they should be. As we find them, we’re fixing any monsters that are instantly re-spawning or on a spawn timer that is shorter than intended.
On the Customer Support side of things, our Terms of Service team suspends and bans accounts daily. We review all TOS reports that we receive, and prioritize the investigations of accounts that have received multiple complaints. We regularly send our Support Agents in-game to watch high-traffic areas such as Dolmens, and take action on any violators we identify. We turn over identified “black marketeers” and repeat offenders to Sony and Microsoft, which sometimes results in a ban of the individual’s PlayStation 4 or Xbox One. We also do other secret things.
So how can you help us with our efforts to get rid of those who are botting and/or automating their characters? Reporting them to us is a huge help, and we do review every ticket we receive.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Stuper✭✭I wasn't afk though, I was literally at my computer chatting with the other guy next to me waiting for respawns. I would participate every time the Dolmen spawned. I would use my spells on top of my light attacks.0
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Stuper✭✭They even ban rubber band use. Basically you have to press all keys yourself or don't play.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi everyone,
We know there have been a lot of questions recently about botting, automated play, what’s a Terms of Service Violation and what isn’t, and what we’re doing to combat TOS-violating behavior. We’d like to answer some of those questions and provide insight.
Per our Terms of Service, this is the definition of botting and automated play:Utilizing automation for your character is a violation of our Terms of Service. This is defined as taking action on your character, without human input, to further advance your progress in the game. Which is considered botting.
Recently, some of you have asked if it’s okay to put tape or a rubber band on your controller. The short answer is “No.” Automating your character in any way, including placing tape or a rubber-band on a console controller, is considered a violation of our Terms of Service, and action may be taken on your account. You must be actively controlling your character.
In regards to our efforts to combat botting and automated play, we’re tackling it on two fronts: Game Development and Customer Support.
On the Game Development front, we are auditing the monsters that are most commonly targeted by those who bot and automate play to ensure the spawn timers are what they should be. As we find them, we’re fixing any monsters that are instantly re-spawning or on a spawn timer that is shorter than intended.
On the Customer Support side of things, our Terms of Service team suspends and bans accounts daily. We review all TOS reports that we receive, and prioritize the investigations of accounts that have received multiple complaints. We regularly send our Support Agents in-game to watch high-traffic areas such as Dolmens, and take action on any violators we identify. We turn over identified “black marketeers” and repeat offenders to Sony and Microsoft, which sometimes results in a ban of the individual’s PlayStation 4 or Xbox One. We also do other secret things.
So how can you help us with our efforts to get rid of those who are botting and/or automating their characters? Reporting them to us is a huge help, and we do review every ticket we receive.
This is more clarifying than reading the TOS by far... I was still at my character though, actually using the spells myself, even if I was using the macro for my light attack.0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The point is though you are using a 3rd party program to give you an advantage. That is clear as day in the T.O.S. If you want to weave, you do it like the rest of usTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wasn't afk though, I was literally at my computer chatting with the other guy next to me waiting for respawns. I would participate every time the Dolmen spawned. I would use my spells on top of my light attacks.
Ya , it's ZOSs game dude . You need to appeal this stuff through your ticket but if you do anything to look like boting , people are going to report you . It's more your action then the macro . If your at the keyboard I suggest running around like everyone else and playing without assistance programs . You annoyed some player and the reported it as boting . It's not a court where they have to prove anything . Macros are against the TOS but they got you for looking suspicious . Leveling is not that hard . If you don't like having to run around and play the game , there are other games that allow macros and Afk leveling . Best to try one of them because ZoS is the least likely to change their position on it .3 -
Stuper✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I wasn't afk though, I was literally at my computer chatting with the other guy next to me waiting for respawns. I would participate every time the Dolmen spawned. I would use my spells on top of my light attacks.
Ya , it's ZOSs game dude . You need to appeal this stuff through your ticket but if you do anything to look like boting , people are going to report you . It's more your action then the macro . If your at the keyboard I suggest running around like everyone else and playing without assistance programs . You annoyed some player and the reported it as boting . It's not a court where they have to prove anything . Macros are against the TOS but they got you for looking suspicious . Leveling is not that hard . If you don't like having to run around and play the game , there are other games that allow macros and Afk leveling . Best to try one of them because ZoS is the least likely to change their position on it .
I don't expect them to change their position on it. I really came here more for clarification, because from my view I didn't feel I was botting.0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sounds like you were at the wrong place at the wrong time. They probably got a report of bots and banned everyone in a certain area.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I wasn't afk though, I was literally at my computer chatting with the other guy next to me waiting for respawns. I would participate every time the Dolmen spawned. I would use my spells on top of my light attacks.
Ya , it's ZOSs game dude . You need to appeal this stuff through your ticket but if you do anything to look like boting , people are going to report you . It's more your action then the macro . If your at the keyboard I suggest running around like everyone else and playing without assistance programs . You annoyed some player and the reported it as boting . It's not a court where they have to prove anything . Macros are against the TOS but they got you for looking suspicious . Leveling is not that hard . If you don't like having to run around and play the game , there are other games that allow macros and Afk leveling . Best to try one of them because ZoS is the least likely to change their position on it .
I don't expect them to change their position on it. I really came here more for clarification, because from my view I didn't feel I was botting.Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I wasn't afk though, I was literally at my computer chatting with the other guy next to me waiting for respawns. I would participate every time the Dolmen spawned. I would use my spells on top of my light attacks.
Ya , it's ZOSs game dude . You need to appeal this stuff through your ticket but if you do anything to look like boting , people are going to report you . It's more your action then the macro . If your at the keyboard I suggest running around like everyone else and playing without assistance programs . You annoyed some player and the reported it as boting . It's not a court where they have to prove anything . Macros are against the TOS but they got you for looking suspicious . Leveling is not that hard . If you don't like having to run around and play the game , there are other games that allow macros and Afk leveling . Best to try one of them because ZoS is the least likely to change their position on it .
I don't expect them to change their position on it. I really came here more for clarification, because from my view I didn't feel I was botting.
I understand the logic but because no one has a camera to see you behind your screen to make sure you are there , this is the best they got to police thier game . Chalk it up as a learning experience and throw in an appeal if you want to keep playing . You can appeal every type of ban even permanent bans .0 -
Blacksmoke✭✭✭✭✭And stay away.Champion point: 645CharactersGanlian Stormian - AD - Dungeon healer - Templar - CrafterOndaril Stormian - AD - Trail DPS - SorcererShagrod gro-Bolmog - AD - PVP - Dragonknight3 -
xxxvodnikxxx✭✭Hmm, i guess it should be ok to use macros in PvE (it Will be just your problem u Will have not enough fun as the others)..
But in pvp? No! Rly no..
It sux
If you Will meet anyone.. usually instant death, killed by still the same sequence, etc.
So.. hell you
Thy ZOS ❤Edited by xxxvodnikxxx on April 3, 2017 8:58PM0 -
craftycarper73✭✭✭✭✭1 word.
TOUGH.
Suck it up buttercup.Born, Bred & Made in Manchester UK, RIP 22 Angels. 22/05/2017
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sometimes players post in the forums a reasonably legitimate reason why they should not be banned.
This is not one of those times.4 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭xxxvodnikxxx wrote: »Hmm, i guess it should be ok to use macros in PvE (it Will be jíst your problem u Will have not enough fun as the others)..
But in pvp? No! Rly no..
It sux
If you Will meet anyone.. usually instant death, killed by still the same sequence, etc.
So.. hell you
Thy ZOS ❤
No, macros should never be okay.3 -
KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
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Pedantically, ESO.EXE wasn't receiving keystrokes from the direct result of you pressing keys, it received them via a program generating fake keystrokes from the macro you created: that program is easily termed a 'bot' in this context.I had to be at my computer, pressing buttons on my keyboard, using my mouse, as I would any other time
A bot, per se, doesn't require you to be AFK in order to be called a bot.
Edited by KerinKor on March 24, 2017 5:33PM3
