Should Necropotence have the pet requirement removed to make it viable for all classes?
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, keep the pet requirementThis one can cast its furry shadow very easily, this one has many magicka, so this one can stay cloaked forever too, yeah.
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Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, remove the pet requirementMagicka has more utility and viable gear options than stamina ... and you want to take one of the few things stam has going for it exclusively and give it to mag?
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Max magic stacking was exclusive and beneficial to 2 classes. But then the viability of it was taken, converted into stamina, and given to all the copy & paste stam build clones of all classes. Stam clones that can sport max stam.... and sustain with it easily cuz Wrobel.
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Logic dictates that if ZOS envisions it fair that stam builds get a set that easily promotes Stamina stacking mirroring necropotence, then either necropotence should be functionally the same, or draugr should require similar stipulations..(Ex: Leviathan & Mothers Sorrow mirroring each other)
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Aerem✭✭✭Yes, remove the pet requirementI would be okay with removing the pet requirement, but only if the 5 piece bonus were reduced to bring it in line with Hulking Draugr. That would be cool for them to be comparable.
I agree with this. We have mirror stats for treasure hunter and the stamina version so it's following that intent.
I think it is only fair for the sets to be mirrors of each other, like Hundings and Julianos
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Aerem✭✭✭Yes, remove the pet requirementGhost-Shot wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »I think the main takeaway from this thread is that magicka dk players are feeling constrained build diversity compared to other magicka classes. And perhaps also that magicka classes are feeling constrained build diversity compared to stamina classes. @Aerem would this be a fair assessment?
Honestly I like where DK build diversity is right now, I find that most of my build issues are narrowing down exactly what sets I actually want to use. BSW, Lich, Rattle Cage, Seducer, Alteration Mastery, Bloodthorn, Grothdar, Blood Spawn, and Skoria are all phenomenal sets and there are a lot of really nice combinations of them. Most of the DK's I know/play with on a regular basis are all running different combinations of those sets and I have many long conversations with all them trying to figure out the best combo.
@NightbladeMechanics @Ghost-Shot
I know there are a ton of great sets out there like you've mentioned above, I am personally going to be trying LA Rattlecage with Bloodthorn as soon as I get back from vacation (and can get some damn drops from VoM). For my playstyle, stacking max magicka has given me the best results. It allows for the greatest returns from battle roar and increases simultaneously damage and sustain.
I know that some sets, like BSW, are "best in slot" on Dk's because all our abilities will proc the 5 piece. I suppose my frustration stems from the fact that, it is impossible for classes such as Templars and Dks to benefit from the necropotence 5 piece.
For example, if you use an inferno staff, it is possible to proc the BSW 5 piece enchant with light attack weaving or, for even more consistent up time, with elemental blockade. In stark contrast, there is no way for us to benefit from the necro 5 piece without relying on an RNG proc from a monster helm set. Not to mention that sacrificing BS or Skoria or Slimecraw on DK is gimping yourself IMHO.
It seems to me, and I could very well be wrong, but there is no set that is "off limits" to sorcs or nightblades, any set used on a dk or templar would preform, to a certain extent, similarly on other classes. But there are sets that simply won't work as a 5 piece for certain classes, and that lack/restriction of build diversity seems unjust and silly, at least to me.
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Aerem✭✭✭Yes, remove the pet requirementMagicka has more utility and viable gear options than stamina ... and you want to take one of the few things stam has going for it exclusively and give it to mag?
facepalm.jpg
Max magic stacking was exclusive and beneficial to 2 classes. But then the viability of it was taken, converted into stamina, and given to all the copy & paste stam build clones of all classes. Stam clones that can sport max stam.... and sustain with it easily cuz Wrobel.
facepalm.jpg
Logic dictates that if ZOS envisions it fair that stam builds get a set that easily promotes Stamina stacking mirroring necropotence, then either necropotence should be functionally the same, or draugr should require similar stipulations..(Ex: Leviathan & Mothers Sorrow mirroring each other)
Essentially this ^
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arkansas_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, keep the pet requirementGhost-Shot wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »I think the main takeaway from this thread is that magicka dk players are feeling constrained build diversity compared to other magicka classes. And perhaps also that magicka classes are feeling constrained build diversity compared to stamina classes. @Aerem would this be a fair assessment?
Honestly I like where DK build diversity is right now, I find that most of my build issues are narrowing down exactly what sets I actually want to use. BSW, Lich, Rattle Cage, Seducer, Alteration Mastery, Bloodthorn, Grothdar, Blood Spawn, and Skoria are all phenomenal sets and there are a lot of really nice combinations of them. Most of the DK's I know/play with on a regular basis are all running different combinations of those sets and I have many long conversations with all them trying to figure out the best combo.
@NightbladeMechanics @Ghost-Shot
I know there are a ton of great sets out there like you've mentioned above, I am personally going to be trying LA Rattlecage with Bloodthorn as soon as I get back from vacation (and can get some damn drops from VoM). For my playstyle, stacking max magicka has given me the best results. It allows for the greatest returns from battle roar and increases simultaneously damage and sustain.
I know that some sets, like BSW, are "best in slot" on Dk's because all our abilities will proc the 5 piece. I suppose my frustration stems from the fact that, it is impossible for classes such as Templars and Dks to benefit from the necropotence 5 piece.
For example, if you use an inferno staff, it is possible to proc the BSW 5 piece enchant with light attack weaving or, for even more consistent up time, with elemental blockade. In stark contrast, there is no way for us to benefit from the necro 5 piece without relying on an RNG proc from a monster helm set. Not to mention that sacrificing BS or Skoria or Slimecraw on DK is gimping yourself IMHO.
It seems to me, and I could very well be wrong, but there is no set that is "off limits" to sorcs or nightblades, any set used on a dk or templar would preform, to a certain extent, similarly on other classes. But there are sets that simply won't work as a 5 piece for certain classes, and that lack/restriction of build diversity seems unjust and silly, at least to me.
Elf Bane? Soulshine?ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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Aerem✭✭✭Yes, remove the pet requirementarkansas_ESO wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »I think the main takeaway from this thread is that magicka dk players are feeling constrained build diversity compared to other magicka classes. And perhaps also that magicka classes are feeling constrained build diversity compared to stamina classes. @Aerem would this be a fair assessment?
Honestly I like where DK build diversity is right now, I find that most of my build issues are narrowing down exactly what sets I actually want to use. BSW, Lich, Rattle Cage, Seducer, Alteration Mastery, Bloodthorn, Grothdar, Blood Spawn, and Skoria are all phenomenal sets and there are a lot of really nice combinations of them. Most of the DK's I know/play with on a regular basis are all running different combinations of those sets and I have many long conversations with all them trying to figure out the best combo.
@NightbladeMechanics @Ghost-Shot
I know there are a ton of great sets out there like you've mentioned above, I am personally going to be trying LA Rattlecage with Bloodthorn as soon as I get back from vacation (and can get some damn drops from VoM). For my playstyle, stacking max magicka has given me the best results. It allows for the greatest returns from battle roar and increases simultaneously damage and sustain.
I know that some sets, like BSW, are "best in slot" on Dk's because all our abilities will proc the 5 piece. I suppose my frustration stems from the fact that, it is impossible for classes such as Templars and Dks to benefit from the necropotence 5 piece.
For example, if you use an inferno staff, it is possible to proc the BSW 5 piece enchant with light attack weaving or, for even more consistent up time, with elemental blockade. In stark contrast, there is no way for us to benefit from the necro 5 piece without relying on an RNG proc from a monster helm set. Not to mention that sacrificing BS or Skoria or Slimecraw on DK is gimping yourself IMHO.
It seems to me, and I could very well be wrong, but there is no set that is "off limits" to sorcs or nightblades, any set used on a dk or templar would preform, to a certain extent, similarly on other classes. But there are sets that simply won't work as a 5 piece for certain classes, and that lack/restriction of build diversity seems unjust and silly, at least to me.
Elf Bane? Soulshine?
I hadn't considered those, so they are valid points, but that said, Elf bane can benefit any class by using elemental blockade and templars also have abilities that would benefit from Elfbane (Sun Fire and it's morphs).
Although, I've never met anyone that looks at the Elfbane 5 piece and considers it a viable, attractive set, regardless of whether they are a DK or not.
I suppose Soulshine has it's niche for templars, but a sorc could consider it for crystal frags, as that is a channel ability/cast time ability. But nightblades and dk's couldn't use it.
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ellahellabella✭✭✭✭✭I would be okay with removing the pet requirement, but only if the 5 piece bonus were reduced to bring it in line with Hulking Draugr. That would be cool for them to be comparable.
I could support this, I'm not a big pet fan.
Though... doesn't Magicka have destruction mastery that does about the same thing though? I think it has one spell damage enchant...
A few sets have two max magicka bonuses (shadow dancer, spinners, stendarrs, elegant, cyrodiil's light, lamia, gossamer, elemental succession, spell power cure) but none have three or more besides necropotence.Please no.
If you really want, create a new set to mimic Draugr Hulk. Don't ruin the Pet build set. Smh....
Maybe something like this:
2 pieces: Adds 967 max magicka
3 pieces: Adds 967 max magicka
4 pieces: Adds 967 max magicka
5 pieces: Adds 2500 max magicka, and add an additional 1500 if you have a pet active
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Could make monster helms interesting somewhat that way too. Right now, you need the helm procced before you get that 4000 mana so it's not worth it.Try to read everything I write with an Australian accent
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mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭Yes, remove the pet requirementI would be okay with removing the pet requirement, but only if the 5 piece bonus were reduced to bring it in line with Hulking Draugr. That would be cool for them to be comparable.
I could support this, I'm not a big pet fan.
Though... doesn't Magicka have destruction mastery that does about the same thing though? I think it has one spell damage enchant...
A few sets have two max magicka bonuses (shadow dancer, spinners, stendarrs, elegant, cyrodiil's light, lamia, gossamer, elemental succession, spell power cure) but none have three or more besides necropotence.Please no.
If you really want, create a new set to mimic Draugr Hulk. Don't ruin the Pet build set. Smh....
Maybe something like this:
2 pieces: Adds 967 max magicka
3 pieces: Adds 967 max magicka
4 pieces: Adds 967 max magicka
5 pieces: Adds 2500 max magicka, and add an additional 1500 if you have a pet active
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