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Idea - Jumping - Add a small stamina cost?
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭theher0not wrote: »No. It would add nothing good to the game.
Stam cost for jumping, leading to a benefit with a cost. how can you maximize bonus, minimize cost?
Not that it's ever be done, but think of sets/skills that effect how high you can jump, that add x axis acceleration for longer jumps, etc.0 -
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✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »Since everything except the standard jog and walk have a stamina cost, one could think that jumping is a physical exertion that's a little bit more than jogging. It's the opposite of sneaking.
Running and jumping should be under athletics or endurance, neither stamina nor magicka. Should be equal for stamina and magicka players to be fair enough. Good old TESIII.
Would love to see a more involved endurance system, but I doubt it'd be implemented as this game seems to be largely focused on casual play.0 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »So you're trying to bring logic into a game where performing a heavy attack restores stamina? Good luck on that lol. Btw if we're going to do that let's make it so staves can't block melee attacks since there's no way that stick wouldn't snap when I hit it with my greatsword.
Think of heavy attacks as something that requires more force, but gives you a moments breath while readying the swing.
Staves? Magicka infused wood, warding. (ice staff passive comes to mind)0 -
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✭alephthiago wrote: »What is wrong with you guys lately and this fixation about jumping???????????????????????????????
Well, myself, a more involved system.0 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭andreasranasen wrote: »andreasranasen wrote: »While we're at it. Let's add a stamina cost to walking and running! LOL
And turning camera angles. Turning needs to cost stamina too!
Breathing should cost stamina! Each breath cost 5000 Stamina
Emotes should cost stamina! No more teabagging in Cyrodiil without paying for it!!
I could see that, depending on the emote, and actions performed in it.0 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoAvran_Sylt wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »So you're trying to bring logic into a game where performing a heavy attack restores stamina? Good luck on that lol. Btw if we're going to do that let's make it so staves can't block melee attacks since there's no way that stick wouldn't snap when I hit it with my greatsword.
Think of heavy attacks as something that requires more force, but gives you a moments breath while readying the swing.
Staves? Magicka infused wood, warding. (ice staff passive comes to mind)
You've never chopped wood have you?2 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »No, it adds very little to the game and would require rebalancing. If the cost is actually very small, it accomplishes nothing. If the cost is too large, you cripple builds just looking to avoid terrain obstacles leading to frustration. The effort to reward ratio isn't even remotely worth it.
A small cost is the general goal, such as to require some stamina regen for continuous jumping. It isn't something that should be too heavy of a penalty for those jumping all around.0 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »So you're trying to bring logic into a game where performing a heavy attack restores stamina? Good luck on that lol. Btw if we're going to do that let's make it so staves can't block melee attacks since there's no way that stick wouldn't snap when I hit it with my greatsword.
Think of heavy attacks as something that requires more force, but gives you a moments breath while readying the swing.
Staves? Magicka infused wood, warding. (ice staff passive comes to mind)
You've never chopped wood have you?
... I have actually. my roomies give me a lot of shite for it, but I enjoy it when I do it. Mindless work, with a steady rhythm. I have noticed that steady, strong hits using the momentum of the head is a lot less exhausting than whacking at it with abandon.0 -
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✭DannyLV702 wrote: »This is unnecessary on so many levels
Why is it necessary to add stamina costs to running, sprinting? Mearly design choices. This is simply a design choice that I'm in favor of.0 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesyea those bunny hoppers look stupid plus it does not make you harder to hit.0 -
andreasranasen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoAvran_Sylt wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »This is unnecessary on so many levels
Why is it necessary to add stamina costs to running, sprinting? Mearly design choices. This is simply a design choice that I'm in favor of.
Because this is not real life. Should your character have to sleep for a few hours just so he/she has energy to fight? Some stuff should just be left out of games. The game would feel incredibly slow if jumping or even walking cost stamina. Not a lot of people would have the patience for that.Edited by andreasranasen on March 10, 2017 10:47PM#VMATOKENSYSTEM #WEAPONDYE #TRAITCHANGE #CROWNCRATELOVER- Alliance/Platform: Aldemerii - PS4/NA - CP 800+
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭andreasranasen wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »This is unnecessary on so many levels
Why is it necessary to add stamina costs to running, sprinting? Mearly design choices. This is simply a design choice that I'm in favor of.
Because this is not real life. Should your character have to sleep for a few hours just so he/she has energy to fight? Some stuff should just be left out of games. The game would feel incredibly slow if jumping or even walking cost stamina. Not a lot of people would have the patience for that.
Yeah, this isn't real life. Which is why they are design choices. The game already does feel slower since they have a sprint function that is temporary as it costs stamina. how does jumping make the game feel faster, and why would having it cost stamina cause the game to feel slower? (I don't see many players jumping from location to location, normally they sprint)0 -
KeiruNicrom✭✭✭✭✭Noregular jumping no. A ground targeted leap ability that deals no damage? sure I could go for that. Lets you jump up high cliffs, could be a good gap closer/escape0 -
Sweetpea704✭✭✭✭I Have Another IdeaSo, what to do about the jumping PVPers that annoy the crap out of everyone? I think that not only should you take damage while jumping, it should automatically set you off balance. Just think of the reality of that. If you got hit with a maul in the air, you wouldn't have a happy landing. A fire bolt would knock you back. Problem solved.0
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ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭NoNo, and as a matter of fact, Blocking and Sprinting should take up a new 4th resource. "Action Points" maybe?Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.0 -
Eirella✭✭✭✭✭NoI don't get why some people are so bothered by others jumping around lol.....maybe don't get so easily annoyed?3 -
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✭YesYes, the ppl in Pvp perms jumping need nerfing.Xbox one EU
8 Flawless conquerors on all class specs (4 stam, 4 magicka)
Doesn't stand in red0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoWhy bother? The other stuff is balanced for combat. Blocking, dodging, sprinting out of telegraphs.
What does jumping do in combat, other than lower dps and prevent any other action during the animation?
Seems pointless.1 -
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Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!1 -
CaliCrippy714✭✭✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Why are people so against jumping...?
Bunny Hopping. Its annoying.
You know whats more annoying? People who thinks thier opinion matters to others.3 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoAdd stamina cost to players talking in zone chat.
Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why bother? The other stuff is balanced for combat. Blocking, dodging, sprinting out of telegraphs.
What does jumping do in combat, other than lower dps and prevent any other action during the animation?
Seems pointless.
Apparently also cause you to take less damage. Though I'm not sure about that.Sweetpea704 wrote: »
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesCaliCrippy714 wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Why are people so against jumping...?
Bunny Hopping. Its annoying.
You know whats more annoying? People who thinks thier opinion matters to others.
That goes both ways buddy.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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CaliCrippy714✭✭✭CaliCrippy714 wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Why are people so against jumping...?
Bunny Hopping. Its annoying.
You know whats more annoying? People who thinks thier opinion matters to others.
That goes both ways buddy.
Yeah that i know, thats why i dont go posting about people shouldn't do this nor that. If people wanna hop around like bunnies, all power to em, whatever makes the game more enjoyable for yourself.
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Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI can't think of a worse idea. sorry
What about stam characters? What are we supposed to do when we can't even jump without losing a 3rd of our stamina?
I can't think of anything that needs to be implemented less than this idea.1 -
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✭I Have Another IdeaGive it a magicka cost instead that's more fairer and stuff.0 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoAvran_Sylt wrote: »Why bother? The other stuff is balanced for combat. Blocking, dodging, sprinting out of telegraphs.
What does jumping do in combat, other than lower dps and prevent any other action during the animation?
Seems pointless.
Apparently also cause you to take less damage. Though I'm not sure about that.Sweetpea704 wrote: »
Yeah, I don't know about that either, lol. Seems more like a twitch than anything else.0
