Azura's Star NA PC Thread PART 3

Vurian97 · March 2017

There comes a time when you grow irritated with what you see and there comes a time when you just shrug and go away.

I returned yesterday as my first day back and DC managed to fight only AD the entire time I was online. Why? Because AD kept pushing DC for no utter reason than to just get AP. We took Nikel (I wasn't surprised, it was their home territory, but it was owned by EP), they attempted a back-door and got wiped. We went to Ash to retake it from EP, AD showed up to attempt a backdoor. Once again, we wiped them. Sure enough, they took Bleakers as we were headed to go hit Chal for a dethrone. I shrugged and said that I was done with Azura's Star for the night. If I wanted to just PvP and smash faces I would go into Trueflame. I play in Azura's Star because the map is actually interesting there and isn't constantly flipping with AP Farms and every other nonsense that goes on in Trueflame.

Yesterday was awful in my opinion. It's no surprise to me though. After winning 8 months in a row, we were bound to get ganged on once we were lesser in numbers. I do find it funny that a select group of EP like to t-bag me anytime they zerg me down though, as does a select player on AD. It is adorable to say the least that you pay enough attention to where I died so you can return to said spot to t-bag.

I hope more people change over from Trueflame & Haderus when this campaign cycle ends... and I don't mean for just DC, I mean for all factions. This campaign cycle had been exciting and very fun for the first few weeks. I was gone for half a week due to computer problems but now I am back and I see that half week really shook up DC for some reason. Whether it's PAX going on, Double AP made them tired of PvP, or just general life getting to people, but we definitely had less numbers than usual last night. (It was a Wednesday anyway, some people go to Church then, so once again, no surprise)

For the few fights that I did experience yesterday, they were fun, they were challenging, and to say the least, I felt accomplished with what I did for the day. Keep it up everyone, every day that we all continue to play in the campaign, every day that we bring reason to motivate ourselves to return, is another day that Azura's Star remains a Campaign that we get to play in.

NightSquirrel · March 2017

Lol

Drasn · March 2017

Munavar wrote: »

wrote: »

The point of my post is why were you at bleakers to begin with? You weren't helping your faction in any way. At least when Booze and Co go all PVP troll they do it in places that benefit EP.

Unlike DC, AD has the consistent numbers to stand against EP on a regular basis but most of the time a select group is too busy trolling DC.

@Drasn
I took the night 'off' so cannot speak directly to the decisions specifically made but ...
...... 1) On Tuesday, the time spent was nearly exclusively versus EP. Maybe, last night had a more DC lean to it.
...... 2) Maybe activities with individuals prior to a group forming dictated a DC lean to the night.
...... 3) From the screen shot provided, the option are:
............ a.) PvDoor Drake. No reason.
............ b.) PvDoor Kings for a scroll and attract 95% of the AD.
............ c.) Join the zerg at BRK. No thank you, it is very rare that the group will head into an AD zerg
............ d.) Bleakers being in between DC & EP. Sounds like a fun place to be.
...... 4) Dethroning is not a high consideration in decision making. Unless someone specifically wants an emp run as the
map will be flipped in a few hours anyways.

A question for you is, 'How did the faction need any help at this specific time?' With EP turtled and DC 'H' bent on Chalman the Randoms were not pinned down anywhere and had manageable odds in objectives they chose. Keep in mind that a lot of these players siege postern doors with fire ballista when the few do actually place siege.

I can tell you pretty much what the gameplan was, wait for EP to take everything that DC held including scrolls and when DC finally was able to mount an offensive to start getting some of their keeps back a group with TM at the forefront constantly ambushed us as we broke into the keep stating all the way back at Glade(keep in mind this was when AD was poplocked, EP was 2 bars, and DC was 1 bar). So the losing faction, with the least population, and no territory to their name was being harassed all day by TM and the pugs following them around. (The screenshot was just an example.) There was absolutely no strategic reason whatsoever for doing the things they were doing.

To counter your c. AD actually had just recently lost BRK because 20 plus people were too busy chasing down 1 to 2 DC at a time

As for your d. (as well as someone elses post from earlier) I played DAoC for 8+ years I'm all for open field combat between two to three factions at once, even better if its organized. But what TM was doing yesterday was far from that, as I stated earlier they were following DC around destro-bombing every time we took one of our keeps back and harassing us every step of the way.

I get that its pvp and we are all at war, yada yada. I get that it feels good to have those small victories here and there, but ffs 10-20 people picking off 1's and 2's as they try to get back to the real fight? Where is the skill in that? All those actions do is make the guild you represent look bad and lose respect.

Look, I haven't been on Azura's that long, so I can only speak for recent matters and I don't know any of the history between guilds and people that have been their longer, all I can speak on is what a new player sees when they enter the campaign. What I see is that DC as a whole is unorganized and undermanned, but everyone here already knew that. EP and AD both have the number to poplock but for some reasons AD's leaders are content with letting EP win the campaign. Say what you want about DC but at least they are trying to put up a fight against EP.

Fisherman · March 2017

how did this thread make it to page 11?

1240? Where's the 3?

Rickter · March 2017

how did this thread make it to page 4?

Minno · March 2017

Drasn wrote: »

Munavar wrote: »

wrote: »

The point of my post is why were you at bleakers to begin with? You weren't helping your faction in any way. At least when Booze and Co go all PVP troll they do it in places that benefit EP.

Unlike DC, AD has the consistent numbers to stand against EP on a regular basis but most of the time a select group is too busy trolling DC.

@Drasn
I took the night 'off' so cannot speak directly to the decisions specifically made but ...
...... 1) On Tuesday, the time spent was nearly exclusively versus EP. Maybe, last night had a more DC lean to it.
...... 2) Maybe activities with individuals prior to a group forming dictated a DC lean to the night.
...... 3) From the screen shot provided, the option are:
............ a.) PvDoor Drake. No reason.
............ b.) PvDoor Kings for a scroll and attract 95% of the AD.
............ c.) Join the zerg at BRK. No thank you, it is very rare that the group will head into an AD zerg
............ d.) Bleakers being in between DC & EP. Sounds like a fun place to be.
...... 4) Dethroning is not a high consideration in decision making. Unless someone specifically wants an emp run as the
map will be flipped in a few hours anyways.

A question for you is, 'How did the faction need any help at this specific time?' With EP turtled and DC 'H' bent on Chalman the Randoms were not pinned down anywhere and had manageable odds in objectives they chose. Keep in mind that a lot of these players siege postern doors with fire ballista when the few do actually place siege.

I can tell you pretty much what the gameplan was, wait for EP to take everything that DC held including scrolls and when DC finally was able to mount an offensive to start getting some of their keeps back a group with TM at the forefront constantly ambushed us as we broke into the keep stating all the way back at Glade(keep in mind this was when AD was poplocked, EP was 2 bars, and DC was 1 bar). So the losing faction, with the least population, and no territory to their name was being harassed all day by TM and the pugs following them around. (The screenshot was just an example.) There was absolutely no strategic reason whatsoever for doing the things they were doing.

To counter your c. AD actually had just recently lost BRK because 20 plus people were too busy chasing down 1 to 2 DC at a time

As for your d. (as well as someone elses post from earlier) I played DAoC for 8+ years I'm all for open field combat between two to three factions at once, even better if its organized. But what TM was doing yesterday was far from that, as I stated earlier they were following DC around destro-bombing every time we took one of our keeps back and harassing us every step of the way.

I get that its pvp and we are all at war, yada yada. I get that it feels good to have those small victories here and there, but ffs 10-20 people picking off 1's and 2's as they try to get back to the real fight? Where is the skill in that? All those actions do is make the guild you represent look bad and lose respect.

Look, I haven't been on Azura's that long, so I can only speak for recent matters and I don't know any of the history between guilds and people that have been their longer, all I can speak on is what a new player sees when they enter the campaign. What I see is that DC as a whole is unorganized and undermanned, but everyone here already knew that. EP and AD both have the number to poplock but for some reasons AD's leaders are content with letting EP win the campaign. Say what you want about DC but at least they are trying to put up a fight against EP.

Last night I was testing a new build so I was between AZ and TF to test it. but regardless, the time I was on we pushed to chal. Only 6 DC there while a group of wearwolves were at Bruma engaged with another DC group and our forces south engaging AD. It's like AD IS content with second place despite 19 days left to flip the score lol.

Minno · March 2017

Rickter wrote: »

how did this thread make it to page 4?

Fisherman · March 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLMo1Ye6fUI

Edit: Gross, your vulnerabilities are showing again.
What's going on in this thread right now? Why are your eyes over here?
12:32 on 3/02/17? Nah, that's not right.

Kartalin · March 2017

It got to page four because people like the above weren't in here posting memes and such. Actual campaign discussion, you know? Even if it is all TM hate

I didn't log in until after the group was at bleakers and then joined them there. But we let a lot run past us to Chalman, and only gave the business to those that checked out the outpost itself.

Munavar · March 2017

Now I kind of wish that I had been on to get the 'other side' of these events.

@Vurian97
So... If you won a fight against EP at Nikel and a second fight against AD (not sure why you would leave this location) and then won another fight with EP at Ash and yet another fight with AD there as well and at the end of your post you said you had fun. Why be 'done'? There appears to be a contradiction here.

@Drasn
You did not answer the question of what help the faction needed at that specific time. Unless, you meant to with the comment of BRK having just being lost. I suspect it was TD there and they are learning.

There is no master game plan for the campaign as far as TM is concerned. I do not know of anyone that cares about campaign rewards. Sure, they are better than nothing and are glanced at when they arrive but they are an after thought. It was more probable that DC activity or EP's turtling was the driving factor for any plan. Maybe TD was active at BRK. This is the part where I cannot address specifics.

No strategic reason? You are trying to apply actions through LoDG's viewpoint of the campaign. It sounds like they found fights.

All day? Yes, there are TM members on throughout the day but really the group (as an entity) runs mainly in Eastern prime time a few nights a week. Harassed? That makes it sound like the encounters were won by DC and were just a nuisance. Aren't you having fun winning these fights?

There are a few blood thirsty members, but I highly doubt the entirety of the TM was running down 1s & 2s. It has occurred in the past but there is ire involved.

If TM did have a full group on with an AD pop lock and low bars DC & EP the chances are they would have bounced to Haderus or Trueflame as an option. Contrary to popular belief, zergin' down the downtrodden is not considered 'fun'.

Every faction considers itself unorganized and undermanned. From an AD perspective, DC runs as whole. It was not uncommon to see 80+ DC rolling around (I have personally seen 100+). EP (at times) gets a core Guild to wrangle some of the randoms around them as human shields and a few small man groups running about AP farming at resources. AD is mainly LFG loners being easy AP for DC\EP. The influence of TD recently has, at least, banded them together making them slightly less easy AP. Though on the downside, I did see TD4 in zone the other night.

"Say what you want about DC but at least they are trying to put up a fight against EP." is the divergent viewpoint here. Is a LoDG member in the top slot for Emp? TM will be engaged with either DC or EP on any given night or any given time. Where Row says is where we go. {This is not a slight on Kart. He just starts late and by then it is like wrangling cats}

Vurian97 · March 2017

LoDG's highest spot on the AP Leaderboard is #5 and that is me. Kavi J (The Black Fenrir) dropped his #1 spot to allow B-Laird (A Zerg Surfer) to get Emperor. B-Laird is still #1 right now.

To the remark of being 'done', it is annoying to not have meaningful fights. I want to fight for map coverage / Campaign Score. When people are coming in and their only driving factor is AP, I get annoyed. The only time I ever fight AD is if they're back-dooring for easy AP attempt or to just be a pest and hinder our dethrone attempt on EP.

I love the community of Azura's Star for it's competitiveness. You feel accomplished when you win against certain people. You feel accomplished based on your campaign score (if you are winning, but when you are losing you don't care). You feel accomplished if you manage a dethrone, etc. In Trueflame, it's just a follow the zerg and hope your zerg out destro ulted the other zerg or outnumbered them. Trueflame is where I go to get kills and just have chill PvP. I play in Azura's Star because I know taking the map will be rough and I know that most of the fights will be challenging and engaging.

Munavar · March 2017

"You feel accomplished based on your campaign score (if you are winning, but when you are losing you don't care)"

This is the difference. It is not because AD is losing that I and others do not care about the score. There have been plenty of 'wins' in the past. I am not an original, but I have been doing this for a long time.

The not caring about the score boils down to two reasons:
..... 1) It is that in all of the campaign rewards; I very occasionally use 1. As stated, they are better than nothing but are not
.........the reason for being there.
..... 2) 'Wins' are dictated by which faction has the cappers (night/morning) prior to the campaign's lull period (as the points
.........accumulate). It has nothing to do with while the campaign is active.

Honestly, the reason to be there is people like you who will push and defend objectives that they care about that will present adversaries.

Drasn · March 2017

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

cbaudersub17_ESO · March 2017

Drasn wrote: »

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

Two things: all factions muck up the works for other factions when the map 'dictates' a common goal for two factions. It happens for all sorts of reasons and is justified for something done to them yesterday.

Bruma and Dragonclaw. DC was not cutoff.

Scamh · March 2017

Taylor_MB wrote: »

Sometimes people just give up on the map and want to have fun, avoid the lag at de-emps, or just straight up cause trouble because they know it will *** people off.

lolol careful now, that sounds dangerously close to what I do

I claimed responsibility in AD zone chat for the Bleakers capture cause I knew it would annoy everyone that was trying to dethrone... Shameless! I did use Bleaks as a spawn while chilling at Chal, was nice, saved me a lot of pony sim.

Drasn · March 2017

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Drasn wrote: »

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

Two things: all factions muck up the works for other factions when the map 'dictates' a common goal for two factions. It happens for all sorts of reasons and is justified for something done to them yesterday.

Bruma and Dragonclaw. DC was not cutoff.

Perhaps cutoff was the wrong word... left us with an unbearably long ride.

WhiteMage · March 2017

Munavar wrote: »

@WhiteMage
On the 8v2 from stealth occurrence, you would need to go into further details...
Generally, the group is in stealth for...
...... 1) Waiting for the stragglers to arrive at a location
...... 2) On a resource, to obtain a 'surprise vector' on the Nth attempt
...... 3) Back cap attempt (if we arrive too early)
Mostly what any other group (sans gankers) use stealth for.

A question now is, why did you stay if you knew a Xv2 was coming? I get it if you wanted to have the 'fight' to see how you would to do. Maybe kill a couple before withdrawing. But it should not cause any rage when it is your call. Yes, surely, it is frustrating not to be able to find 'small scale' fights but Cyrodiil in it current state is not conducive to those situations.

I suppose I was hoping Lord Micah as online. Idk. If you want a fight as a solo you push your luck and end up biting it as often as not. If I didn't want to die I wouldn't even be PvPing but that's not the point. Don't worry about whether or not your group did anything "out of character" or not while you were gone. Everyone does something ooc from time to time. For example, I zerg surfed last week. The keep capture AP was just too good.

Since you're interested, let's have a little story time with the White Mage. Gather round children. A WoT is coming...

So there I was, riding past bleakers between a blue aleswell and a flagged red chalman. Yellow bleakers in this situation can mean only 1 thing: TM is there. That's not a fight I ever care to pick; I've only ever done a 1vX > 6 one time on an EP group that was VERY, VERY bad, like they were fresh off Deltia's site, and last I checked (I never checked) TM doesn't use Deltia's builds*. Just as I was getting ready to NOPE right on by, I saw something that triggered my solo-senses: one line player hopping around in the NPC. What makes this so irresistible to a soloer? That looks like a fight! It would have been different if more players were visible or no players were visible, considering the situation. So I dismounted and approached from stealth and saw that the kangaroo was not-valla mNB in TM, Lyser-something-or-other. Closer I creep, not bothering to place any expectaions on how this will go. Suddenly, as I'm waking through the tall grass, a TM DK appeared! From stealth, motionless. Could actually have been afk. Either way, I mistformed back a ways back into stealth a good distance from the outpost. I had lost the element of surprise and I was not looking to run away so stealth would do me no good. I stood up and built a house. At this point, the "other mNB" (not-valla) was still bunny rabbiting around in the npcs, and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me. We chilled there a bit and I didn't notice when Lyser- got off his pogo stick until... suddenly I took a swallow soul from the hop-skip-jump-blade 12m in front of me and then got rooted by talons. For 2 more seconds, the mNB was the only visible enemy so I was kinda confused. Then they appeared. From 8 o'clock to 4 I was surrounded by TM and felt one of my eyebrows raise in the way that a teacher says "r u serious rn?" The fight commences and... takes quite a while for being outnumbered 3-5x. I spent that time nearly perma-rooted because of 3 mDK tanks. I scanned the names, before and after dying: no Lord Micah, but Rowdozer. That suddenly made quite a lot of sense. You see, back a week or 2, TM steamrolled an uncontested roe, but I hid on the top floor. After it seemed like most had left I--you know what? Mr.spring-in-his-step-NB was there in this story too!--went to kill the archer guards after seeing (you guessed it) jumping around alone up top. What happened next went exactly as I expected it: lyser- attacked my and then I charged his butt. Killing your npcs in a place I shouldn't be is how I bait ya, and I take it as a full invitation to kill you if you do attack me then. Cloak decided to work for this 1-in-a-million mNB and saved his life, but the rest of TM was already running up the stairs! They start flinging attacks at me and Rowdozer appears, stealthed, unmoving, in front of me by a pillar. After the first jab, it's clear he is afk, but his group was on top of me now, so flailed around and killed row just as they killed me. Apparently no one could spare a heal or something. Then Micah sent me a tell, "he was afk..." or similar, and I said, "I was getting zerged" or similar. Since that merited a tell, I assume it was also grudge-worthy. I respect that. I still get to rage about it if I want to, ofc.

There. I hope you enjoyed story time with your friendly neighborhood usually-soloer. Tune in next time for another episode. Maybe this time it'll be about EP!

*Calm yourself, mods. It's not that Deltia's builds are bad, it's that any build is bad if you didn't design it for yourself to fit your needs.

Vurian97 · March 2017

I love story time.

Drasn · March 2017

WhiteMage wrote: »

[ and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me.

I think I'm in your story!

Vurian97 · March 2017

Drasn wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

[ and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me.

I think I'm in your story!

Loving story-time even more as it goes on!

WhiteMage · March 2017

Drasn wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

[ and a DC magplar? (777 CP) rode by and took a seat next to me.

I think I'm in your story!

You are! That was you!

Vurian97 wrote: »

I love story time.

I do too.

Munavar · March 2017

@Drasn
If you are who I think you are from Vurian's videos, you sound like a nice person.

No, I am not the leader of TM. That is Row.

I am not taking your comments to be bashing. At first, I chuckled some as in the past the impression I had is that Vurian wanted to 'take on' TM and last night seemed that he was not happy with the attention.

It has since turned into a discourse of differing views of the same event. It is the same reason I will watch parts of Fengrush's or Vurian's videos. To see the other side's perspective.

Yes, taking Bleakers hindered DC. But why would you think AD is here to facilitate DC? Hurting AD at BRK? I am going off assumption on this one. If it was TD there, they are learning. Another reason not to go there is that there are already enough comments about TM zergin'.

Also, not everyone at Bleakers is TM. As stated earlier, AD starts coming out of woodwork once it owned by AD.

The way I view this is:
LoDG's driving force is the scoreboard and emp. You set your sights on Chalman to dethrone (and take a few points from EP). With AD losing BRK and harassing you that made your (assumed) goal difficult.

TM had three choices: EP stacked in Chalman; Zerg surf at BRK; or mess with DC groups. They chose the choice that was more fun for them.

Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

cbaudersub17_ESO · March 2017

Drasn wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Drasn wrote: »

@Munavar

I apologize if I am coming off as bashing TM, that's not my intent. I was just mildly annoyed yesterday that every time we showed up somewhere... poof there is the same group of AD right behind us.. we are fighting EP in the front with AD trying to get free AP by tagging everything just before the initial fight ends.

If you want to be part of the fight great, be part of the fight... don't use cheap tactics especially when you outnumber us. Stuff like that doesn't make either side better for it. (I understand you weren't there, I'm assuming you are the leader or one of for TM)

The point of what help your faction needed at the time.. DC was pushing Chal because EP was pushing BRK, the group led by TM members that took bleaks during our push cut off DC from chal and didn't help AD defend BRK. That action alone was detrimental to two factions and only served to help EP.

Two things: all factions muck up the works for other factions when the map 'dictates' a common goal for two factions. It happens for all sorts of reasons and is justified for something done to them yesterday.

Bruma and Dragonclaw. DC was not cutoff.

Perhaps cutoff was the wrong word... left us with an unbearably long ride.

Hyperbole. The ride is not THAT much longer.

Plus you can stop and try the cold-fire lottery.

Vurian97 · March 2017

Munavar wrote: »

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Given the populations, I surprised that 'Team Purple' didn't form.

I wasn't.

I do enjoy fighting Tertiary Meat from time to time, but I avoid them majority of the time because it is just another destro ult train. As stated before, if I wanted to experience that form of gameplay, I would go play on Trueflame.

Anytime I see Lord Micah or Komodo Dragon I am hesitant to engage because I am not going to enjoy the fight at all. It's going to be about who has more people or who has more ults coordinated.

Drasn · March 2017

Munavar wrote: »

If you are who I think you are from Vurian's videos, you sound like a nice person.

I didn't even know Vurian had videos. I'm probably not in any of them though, but I am a nice person....mostly.

Munavar · March 2017

You sure it isn't who has more Healers?

{Because I heal (mostly)}.

Vurian97 · March 2017

Munavar wrote: »

You sure it isn't who has more Healers? {Because I heal (mostly)}.

It definitely can be that. More often than not when LoDG & TM clash it is whoever has the bigger numbers or who has more ults available at the time though.

Munavar · March 2017

@WhiteMage

Yeah, I am pretty sure no one looks at his stuff. Cool story. Not sure how we 'let' Row die. Though I bet Aily and I were downstairs repin' the doors. No one seems to like that activity.

Last night, I am will to wager that someone spotted Drasn going to your location and hit it not knowing how many were actually there or if you were out of stealth at that time they assumed you to the 'bait' for a larger group in stealth.

The non Valla nightblade is her protégée.

Micah123 · March 2017

If TM stacks with all the AD pugs at chal...TM is a buncha scrubs for zerging in blues eyes. In reds eyes we are scrubs for having to double team faction stack to dethrone.

If TM goes behind enemy lines w/ their group only...TM is a buncha idiots for ruining dc's fun.

For what it's worth, Tuesday night AD started prime time pushed back quite a bit with reds owning a great deal of the map. DC was basically non existent that night. From what I hear there was some EP drama and EP basically stopped defending emp keeps. AD had a good amount of pop on and TM had a solid 12ish on. When we noticed we had the map covered yellow from Ash to BRK, TM group queued for Haderus, instead of PVdooring Emp. We spent a while there and noticed dc had taken Ash and Nikel back. We popped back over to Azura's to be met by a MASS of DC front dooring Roe. AD pop seemed to have dwindled at that point but we wiped DC and I went to bed.

If you look at the map right now AD has tri keeps and 1 scroll. DC is pushed to rayles and warden w/ no scrolls. Everything else is red. Sorry to say it but this would have been the case whether Booz was dethroned last night or not...which is why TM, who represents a tiny percentage of AD's population, doesn't really give two flying flips about faction stacking last emp keep for a dethrone.

To a certain DC Commander...again...I told you, you shouldn't have done what you did.

Vurian97 · March 2017

Micah123 wrote: »

To a certain DC Commander...again...I told you, you shouldn't have done what you did.

Everytime you say that, I laugh.