Bigevilpeter wrote: »

ZiRM wrote: »

Ok, here's some "ADVICE" Spend your money the way you want because it's YOUR MONEY.

Thats not very good advice, even if I have money I shouldnt spend it om drugs and prostitues just cause its my money, yes I'm free to do what I want, but if it harms me and the society then I should consider people's advice on not doing them

no you shouldnt but at the end of the day its your money, so you can spend it how you like.

To late lol, $15 for the wild hunt bear good deal for me because im lucky.


Dont tell me what to do with my money, i dont even know you.

Apparently, you think the forums represent the games population. Silly.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

There are two ways I can't help but look at them. On the one hand, it is a blatant under-handed, dis-honest, strategy for extracting the most amount of cash possible anyone who is inclined feel the need to collect these skins and what not.

On the other hand, judging by the amount of apex rewards I see around on only day 3 of the crates being released that I know they won't be shutting down the servers this decade as they are making a fortune from these alone.

So indifferent I guess is how I feel, in a purely selfish manner that is.

Oh they are making enough money to keep their servers going for a long time without crown crates, trust me

Funny, we've been hearing this a lot lately, 'trust what I say even though I offer absolutely no proof'. Sorry, but in my book speculation and opinion still do not amount to facts.

Further, just because YOU consider Crown Crates a waste doesn't mean everyone else does... personally, I find people that spend money on alcohol and fast food being a 'waste' but I'm not going to tell them to stop- even though neither are healthy for them. 'Worth' is a personal opinion.

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

@Bigevilpeter , you do not offer "advice". You tell people not to buy an item. Nor is it it your place to tell people what to spend their own $$ on. Also just putting "trust me" at the end of a comment does not make it factual. Just for fun, why don't you just worry about "you" and spend your money (or not) as you see fit and let others do the same.

Why don't you just worry about you then and don't comment on my post or tell me what to post about, its my fingers and im free to write what I like

Despite the fact that I removed all the PAWS stuff from my sig, as a founding member, I remain devoutly against them. I have purchased ZERO Crown Crates.

I find it hard to complain because they have been saving me money. The last three Crown Store Showcases have been super easy on my Crown purse. I am spending much less on this game, even with Morrowind, and with the poor showing of ESO Plus, I look to really be able to spend my money on different things this year. There just isn't anything to buy, except for a couple things here and there. It is like the first days of the Crown Store, when people asked why they should bother because there was nothing to buy. Only difference this time is that we have the Crates and they have no incentive to fix the regular Store offerings.

I win both ways. If they drop the Crates and emphasize the game content over cosmetic content as a revenue source (as Morrowind could be) it will cost me more but I get a better game. If y'all buy Crates like crazy, we get a shallower cosmetic-filled game, but I save money.

I do not want anything the crates offer, all I am interested in is what you can earn in game.

It is sad I have spent 1000's of dollars in this game, and have been a plus member for a very long time, but can't buy things that are hidden in the crown crates.

I have not bought any crown crates and never will. I think we should go on crown strike.. don't buy anything and let them know why. Put the pressure on the company to get rid of them.

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

I do not want anything the crates offer, all I am interested in is what you can earn in game.

Most have forgotten what is available in game. They mainly come from the time before Tamriel Unlimited. A few costume disguises and polymorphs. When I am just slumming (ie fishing), I use one from Alik'r Desert (Bergama) that you get when resolving a conflict. I also use a skeleton polymorph you get in Shadowfen, especially in places where there are lots of skeleton undead, like Bleakrock. Newbies fall for that all the time and try to attack me. Doesn't work as good now that nameplates are in the game.

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

@Bigevilpeter "But you told me not to tell people what to do with their money, I'm free to write whatever I like, so you shouldnt tell me what to do.

I'm using your same *** logic.

Anyways I never forced anyone not to buy crown crates, I say please dont buy them and gave reasons why. If you don't like what I said you are free to go do something else with your life"

No, I told you it was not your "place" to tell people what to do with their money. Maybe a little less arguing and more reading for you. Now I shall buy some crates in your name. Thank you.

I can beleive im gonna have to dumb down to that level, but its also not your place to tell me what is not my place, and u gotta learn to read too cause I said i never forced anyone not to buy crates

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

There are two ways I can't help but look at them. On the one hand, it is a blatant under-handed, dis-honest, strategy for extracting the most amount of cash possible anyone who is inclined feel the need to collect these skins and what not.

On the other hand, judging by the amount of apex rewards I see around on only day 3 of the crates being released that I know they won't be shutting down the servers this decade as they are making a fortune from these alone.

So indifferent I guess is how I feel, in a purely selfish manner that is.

Oh they are making enough money to keep their servers going for a long time without crown crates, trust me

How do you know that? Not arguing; just honest curiosity about whether you have some special insight into how much money it takes to upkeep an MMO of this income model.

Not saying you're wrong to disagree with Crown Crates. I just see people say this every once in a while, and I wonder why they're so convinced that ZOS is operating at THAT much of a profit.

I also used to drink quite a hefty amounts of beer, beer is good... But when i decided to put that money to crown crates, i feel much better and eat better food and i have not bought a can of beer in two months
It is less waste of money to get something from the crates than get a headache and hangover and waste a day and health by drinking too much beer

lordrichter wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

I do not want anything the crates offer, all I am interested in is what you can earn in game.

Most have forgotten what is available in game. They mainly come from the time before Tamriel Unlimited. A few costume disguises and polymorphs. When I am just slumming (ie fishing), I use one from Alik'r Desert (Bergama) that you get when resolving a conflict. I also use a skeleton polymorph you get in Shadowfen, especially in places where there are lots of skeleton undead, like Bleakrock. Newbies fall for that all the time and try to attack me. Doesn't work as good now that nameplates are in the game.

I used to do that as warewolf all the time in glenumbria under the bridge where you have to kill a warewolf lol

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

@Bigevilpeter , you do not offer "advice". You tell people not to buy an item. Nor is it it your place to tell people what to spend their own $$ on. Also just putting "trust me" at the end of a comment does not make it factual. Just for fun, why don't you just worry about "you" and spend your money (or not) as you see fit and let others do the same.

I may be wrong, but I think several people are misinterpreting his post. Granted, it wasn't well written, but the underlying message is clear: supporting crown crates isn't wise.

I'm also with this position. The reality is this: if "X" becomes successful, we'll see more "X" and less "Y". Publishers are notorious for pulling this crap on gamers.

At the same time, I have to consider the position of ZoS, who freely dropped the sub model. That's millions lost every month, and to find a gap between maintenance, new content, and revenue (note: revenue != profit!) must be damn difficult when the only options they can produce are direct buys or lottery chances.

My concern is the lottery taking precedence over direct buys. Yes, I lost out on a damn awesome looking storm senche, and that actually pisses me off because this was a guaranteed purchase. Now, ZoS lost this money from me.

That's where the line blurs, because those who did buy, and received their rewards, don't see a problem even if they spent their own money. I sure don't go up to people and tell them not to buy lottery tickets, and I won't do so here.

Just be cognizant that the success of crown crates gives ZoS one more reason not to release a popular item directly. If one does the math, the lottery system would absolutely generate more revenue than direct buys because of the sheer volume of crates needed to obtain a single item (excluding those extremely rare people who nailed one on their first try).

If this happens, this will change the dynamic of the game for me. I subscribe, but now I feel betrayed because items I do want, I can no longer get without throwing more money at the screen.

I'm not going to rant about it, because it's pointless. Still, I dislike being disappointed over decisions like this when it comes to generating revenue. The digital era has put a crunch on things, and companies are still trying to work things out, but these lottery chances just don't sit well with me.

I'd rather know precisely what my money is being spent on. After all, it's a VIRTUAL GOOD, which means it's not even tangible.

the crown crates are cancer, something i would expect to see in a free to play not a game still has subs and then new dlc content to pay for