Turelus wrote: »

sigsergv wrote: »

Make craftable sets bind-on-pickup. And also add some new sets or replace old ones that no one use anyway.

Efforts spent on craft leveling (9 traits in metalworking!) should be rewarded.

Making sets BoP would harm crafting far more than make it great again [SNIp]

The reward for that time unlocking all those traits is to be able to sell your services to other players for gold.

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Profit from service selling is almost 0 actually. You can earn more just be farming a few packs of mobs in public dungeon.

I literally don't understand what you're suggesting here. "Make craftable sets bind-on-pickup"? So... no one could ever craft for anyone else? Everyone would have to craft their own armour?

Uh... how in Oblivion would that make crafting "great"?

I always liked how crafting stayed useful in DAOC.. stats had caps - and you started off with some dropped gear that gave a LOT of stats - and used crafted gear with specific stats to 'fill in the gaps'

Could do something a bit like that here by introducing a bunch of 1-piece crafted sets.. ie you get a set bonus for only having one item (like how you may wear one piece of a monster set just for that bonus...)

This could fill in gaps in builds - and make more 2-hander builds available without wasting any set-piece bonuses (as you can't go 5/5/2 - you could instead, go 5/3/2/1 and have set bonuses for all, AND a monster set..

Crafted TBS gear sells for over 10k / piece, so at least i can profit from being master crafter.

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sigsergv wrote: »

Make craftable sets bind-on-pickup. And also add some new sets or replace old ones that no one use anyway.

Efforts spent on craft leveling (9 traits in metalworking!) should be rewarded.

Sure, why not? /sarcasm

Now all you have to do is convince everyone playing the game to spend all the time needed to research all the traits.

Gosh, I don't see why people who only want to pvp, or pve and have no interest in crafting wouldn't want to spend all that time doing research so they can make gear for themselves. /sarcasm

I've seen people complaining about how long it takes to get the 5th trait. Now you'd make them do all 9 so they can craft stuff for themselves.

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sigsergv wrote: »

Seriously, I don't feel rewarded for my efforts to achieve 9 traits, learning motifs and so on. Game should at least provide some unique practical (not cosmetic) things for people who wasted so much time for nothing. The worse feeling I have only as a Master Fisher.

I agree, the 9piece-sets should be on par with dungeon/trialitems. Maybe let MasterCrafters craft slightly weaker versions of the Helm and Shoulder-Sets.

baratron wrote: »

I literally don't understand what you're suggesting here. "Make craftable sets bind-on-pickup"? So... no one could ever craft for anyone else? Everyone would have to craft their own armour?

Uh... how in Oblivion would that make crafting "great"?

I'm guessing the OP is suggesting that if crafted gear is made BoP, it can then be buffed to become BiS.

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Aww, you modded my Queen Ayrenn jokes but left the one where I mock the entire "Make America Great Again" as being terrible for most people.

You probably should remove that one as well to be fair. I'll be good and not talking about RL politics any more... You can't censor me about the Dominion forever though! #ResistAD

Crafting will be great again when all dropped sets are bind on pickup and in par with crafted sets regarding performance.

Crafting needs to be the main source for player gear and items, that is best for the economy.

It would also be interesting to have specific crafter class and gatherer class to work with so that it nees more investment on crafting. Crafters could use homes as "Factories to build gear and gatherers could create mines and logging camps, plantations to create materials.

Yes, i have been in production business in EVE and its great when the economy really works like it should.

I mean, or we could just, you know, make more than six or so of the sets worth using. Lots of crafted sets have poor use conditions, like being under half hp, or 1/3rd hp, or working for one subpar spell (Oblivion's Foe lol), or get shut down by their 2-4 set bonuses.

My recommendation to fix crafting? First, gut a number of the sets with weak usage and tweak them up. No point in dumb crafted sets, you don't accidentally pick them up and have to actively decide to craft it. ZOS doesn't need an easy tweak, if they're going to sell us motifs for 2000, 5000 crowns then crafting being worthwhile is their problem.

I think a better solution is to give them a single piece bonus, so they give 5 bonuses while drop sets give 4.
I made a thread about it with suggestions to what each set gives:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/326059/crafted-vs-drop-sets-proposed-fix-single-piece-bonus

baratron wrote: »

I literally don't understand what you're suggesting here. "Make craftable sets bind-on-pickup"? So... no one could ever craft for anyone else? Everyone would have to craft their own armour?

Uh... how in Oblivion would that make crafting "great"?

This post is sarcastic. Am I really the only one who picked up on that? He's whinging (with good reason) that Bop is dumb.

Here is how crafting should have been. Crafting should have had more depth and what I mean by that is each craftable set should have had tiers, like 5 to 7. Crafted gear would be the best in-game gear hands down. So you want to craft Torugs Pact tier 1. That would require character levels 1-10 and very few ingredients. Each tier requires more and different ingredients and offers higher/different stats but gets more difficult to craft the higher you go up. Tier 2 would require the tier 1 piece as well and so on. Tier 7 should be "extremely" difficult to achieve. Dungeons, trials, mobs and World Bosses would drop these special ingredients which all should be BoE so the economy can thrive. People shouldn't be forced to do content they do not want to do.

Now you would also have dropped gear from quests, dungeons and trials. These should be there to hold you over while working your way to the set or sets you want. These would also be BoE. With that said these sets would NOT be weak either, especially the sets you'd get at max level from a trial or dungeon. If someone wanted to max out a dropped set because the stats matched their style of play then great! Gold them out and you'd have a killer set. Crafters would be working hard and making a killing in gold. And the best part would be you would get to choose the motif style instead of having to wear a costume because you look like a moron with 3 different styles on.

Now I know a lot of you are saying, hey this sounds just like Archeage, and it does but they went the wrong direction by having the majority of the crafted set materials BoP and of course being P2W. Tier 7 or the highest tier should be hard to get. Not everyone should have the best items in game, whats the point then? I played Archeage for a while and crafting kept me playing. It was fun. That's just my two cents.

Here's a doc below for Archeage Obsidian weapons. Its an older version because they have tier 7 now but you can see the mats needed for the higher tiers. Farming these mats is fun for a while but once you get to tier 4 it starts to numb your brain. This is why everything should be BOE. I'm sure if they were in the guild stores they would be uber expensive so it would still be difficult to achieve but it would give people other ways to obtain them.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VCDMqoVB5XoUahJ4vbBpOHjruI5UBHg_ZRpcBhRoSfI/htmlview?sle=true