Vigor may be too mandatory for pvp, pretty much all stamina builds use it (probably because there is no other real alternative)
However that the reason was it is the only way to generate ultimate while zerging, I had not in my wildest dreams imagined.
1: Try zerging less
2: Equip a bow while zerging
3: Don't expect to get ultimate for doing nothing contributing to the fight
Vigor may be too mandatory for pvp, pretty much all stamina builds use it (probably because there is no other real alternative)
However that the reason was it is the only way to generate ultimate while zerging, I had not in my wildest dreams imagined.
1: Try zerging less
2: Equip a bow while zerging
3: Don't expect to get ultimate for doing nothing contributing to the fight
I think you may need to read my post twice.
- I never said I zerg and I pricesely hate it, I am a soloer.
- I stipulated melee stamina characters, what a bow user is not
- And didn't I showed examples where contribution could be equivalent or superior to healing but where nevertheles you are not rewarded ?
Any relevant input instead ?
Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
PandaIsAPotato wrote: »Vigor may be too mandatory for pvp, pretty much all stamina builds use it (probably because there is no other real alternative)
However that the reason was it is the only way to generate ultimate while zerging, I had not in my wildest dreams imagined.
1: Try zerging less
2: Equip a bow while zerging
3: Don't expect to get ultimate for doing nothing contributing to the fight
I think you may need to read my post twice.
- I never said I zerg and I pricesely hate it, I am a soloer.
- I stipulated melee stamina characters, what a bow user is not
- And didn't I showed examples where contribution could be equivalent or superior to healing but where nevertheles you are not rewarded ?
Any relevant input instead ?
Grind vigor?
Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
Dragon Blood has improved in fact as a heal (you need to use the good one though for magicka or tank setups).
And precisely, for my setup I would prefer to use it instead of Vigor since it has better synergy (in my case). However AP and Ulti-wise it is a no go in full melee setup).
Are you mag or stam btw ?
if you have issues generating ult because you're running with the zerg..
Damn you might be zerging on a whole new level
Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
I beg to differ, GDB was pretty fun to use while grinding for vigor. I was actually surprised at how effective it could be as an OH *** button. It was weird to the point where when I did get vigor I found myself less tanky. Insane right?
PandaIsAPotato wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
I beg to differ, GDB was pretty fun to use while grinding for vigor. I was actually surprised at how effective it could be as an OH *** button. It was weird to the point where when I did get vigor I found myself less tanky. Insane right?
It is insane considering you can get Vigor to tick for 3-4k a pop on a Stam DK, and Dragon's Blood is lucky to break 4k when you're in critical.
Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
leepalmer95 wrote: »PandaIsAPotato wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
I beg to differ, GDB was pretty fun to use while grinding for vigor. I was actually surprised at how effective it could be as an OH *** button. It was weird to the point where when I did get vigor I found myself less tanky. Insane right?
It is insane considering you can get Vigor to tick for 3-4k a pop on a Stam DK, and Dragon's Blood is lucky to break 4k when you're in critical.
I heal or 14k on my mag dk, depending on my hp.
Implementing vigor was one of the worst things ZOS did, pure stamina builds shouldn't have a heal without equping healing item.. it killed completly hybrid builds, i remember times when ppls used 2h and resto staff for healing ward.. but well, think zos needed to take care of casuals
idk, nothing changed since few patches, stoped playing few months ago, but when i diged today tru forum i see only same problems/issues.. last call for me = morrowind expantion, finger crossed @ZOS_GinaBruno
Not even sure why this is a discussion. Vigor is gained through pvp and is mostly needed for pvp. They arent going to start creating more stamina heals. One is more than enougj, sorry if it isnt diverse enough for you but it works, dont break it.
The other heals like rally, blood craze etc should be enough for pve content when solo.
Ultimate is already crazy easy to generate. The only one that annoys me is werewolf because its hard for me personally to stay werewolf if theres nothing around to kill. We dont need 1 v xers able to spam ultimate even more often. Nightblades can already double cast ultimates back to back.
Implementing vigor was one of the worst things ZOS did, pure stamina builds shouldn't have a heal without equping healing item.. it killed completly hybrid builds, i remember times when ppls used 2h and resto staff for healing ward.. but well, think zos needed to take care of casuals
idk, nothing changed since few patches, stoped playing few months ago, but when i diged today tru forum i see only same problems/issues.. last call for me = morrowind expantion, finger crossed @ZOS_GinaBruno
PandaIsAPotato wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »PandaIsAPotato wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Vigor is mandatory for me as a DK. But not because of Ulti generation. Rather, it is the only Stam based heal that is effective with Battle Spirit. I'd love to use GDB instead, but that simply doesn't work very well in Cyrodiil.
I beg to differ, GDB was pretty fun to use while grinding for vigor. I was actually surprised at how effective it could be as an OH *** button. It was weird to the point where when I did get vigor I found myself less tanky. Insane right?
It is insane considering you can get Vigor to tick for 3-4k a pop on a Stam DK, and Dragon's Blood is lucky to break 4k when you're in critical.
I heal or 14k on my mag dk, depending on my hp.
Keyword there being mDK. Dragonblood is useless on stam DK.