I didn't read more than the first few sentences but the purpose of removing CP was not to hotfix any issues, lag or otherwise. They are gathering data for some internal studies that will be used in future patches.

I'm not a big fan of no cp but , on PC the lag is reduced . It's not non existent but it is less then what it was on PC on my end . I was hoping for even better performance then what we got as 150-200 ping is still very high but beats 999 any day . I just hope they're gathering enough data to make a meaningful improvement in the future .

Consoles really just need some options for graphics. It would be nice to turn off shadows and some other things to make Cyrodil playable. On PC you can turn off undesirable settings to increase performance. You don't have that luxury on console.

looks like all that really needs to happen is get bigger hamsters to spin the server wheels a little faster. should fix it right up.

All the lag in the CP campaign is probably due to all the salty tears clogging up the servers.

Lag improved significantly for me.

itzTJ wrote: »

@timidobserver are you console? or pc. I read a couple posts that said it was a little better on pc.

PC.

xeNNNNN wrote: »

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

Consoles really just need some options for graphics. It would be nice to turn off shadows and some other things to make Cyrodil playable. On PC you can turn off undesirable settings to increase performance. You don't have that luxury on console.

graphics options dont help with the load as much as you think. I turned off everything in ESO on my high end rig, 0 performance change except on lowest of the low.

The hero engine is a joke.

Its not hero. It is entirely created by ZoS. Hero was used early on for prototyping assets so they have to credit it, but you can't blame Hero for any of ZoS shortcomings.

On XBox NA I've had the worst lag, load screens, and disconnect frequency I've ever had. It's making it difficult to even play.

itzTJ wrote: »

@MasterSpatula First off im not mad at zos at all i was just informing that the lag is still bad and @updegramub17_ESO that was with 20 minutes of play time, now playing for hours i see that its much MUCH worse than normal. I mean 100 times worse, but im pretty sure that this is due to everyone leaving azuras star and their low levels on blackwater to come to one campaign. i had a 250 que tonight, with 50 being the normal.

And second, i made the mistake of listening to people in zone chat instead of looking into it like i would normally, but like i said 99% of players see this as a fact, that this exercise is specifically to see if it reduces lag, so i assumed it was. If its not for that or is for more, then ok, But thats completely beside the point. Letting them know that its lagging bad isn't not understanding, and doing this isn't being upfront about what is happening with this game because this has been happening for a while now.

Being upfront to me would be, like i said, giving us a straight answer about whats going on, even if they dont know. And im not an expert on this forum, i spend most of my free game time in game, so maybe they have given that answer. But if so i haven't found it. And im not even mad at zenimax in any way, im just giving my experience and saying what id like to see and what ive heard others say they'd like to see.

And of course they are gathering more than anecdotal evidence, but anecdotal evidence is valuable in a game, especially when they have a pts to get players opinions on things, bugs etc. ( and this forum )

Now my question to you would be do you pvp on XB1 NA in Haderus? and if so, are you not frustrated?

First off, what's your experience in software developing? Coding? Data-analyzing?
I don't want to sound rude but this kind of "feedback" (listening to zonechat as evidence) doesn't help at all, sorry.

@UrQuan please help this guy :P

Everything seems to be about the same to me. Long load screens until you blue screen.

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

@UrQuan please help this guy :P

I'm on it! lol

itzTJ wrote: »

@MasterSpatula First off im not mad at zos at all i was just informing that the lag is still bad and @updegramub17_ESO that was with 20 minutes of play time, now playing for hours i see that its much MUCH worse than normal. I mean 100 times worse, but im pretty sure that this is due to everyone leaving azuras star and their low levels on blackwater to come to one campaign. i had a 250 que tonight, with 50 being the normal.

OK, first off you're approaching this a lot more rationally than a lot of people I've seen on the forums today, so thank you for that. It means that I can expect you to understand what's going on once it's been explained to you (unlike some other people I could, but won't, mention).

itzTJ wrote: »

And second, i made the mistake of listening to people in zone chat instead of looking into it like i would normally, but like i said 99% of players see this as a fact, that this exercise is specifically to see if it reduces lag, so i assumed it was. If its not for that or is for more, then ok, But thats completely beside the point. Letting them know that its lagging bad isn't not understanding, and doing this isn't being upfront about what is happening with this game because this has been happening for a while now.

Yup, listening to people in zone was definitely a mistake. Zone is where myths and flat-out lies get spread, along with occasional nuggets of good info. The same happens on the forums, but it's easier to see what's true and what's a myth/lie on the forums.

What it boils down to is this: this exercise isn't in and of itself to reduce lag. This is the first in a series of tests intended to narrow down the things that are contributing the most to poor performance in Cyrodiil. ZOS have seen some evidence that performance in the non-CP campaign is better than performance in the CP campaigns, so they're focusing on CP-related calculations as being likely to be a big contributor to poor performance.

That being the case, how can they test this hypothesis? By performing a stress test under controlled conditions to gather baseline data, and then proceeding with other tests that modify those conditions in order to compare the data. This is the stress test intended to gather the baseline data. As they suspect CP calculations to be a problem, they're getting baseline data without CPs. They need it to be under stress test conditions, though, so that's why they've added double AP and made this test last a week. That way more people than normal have an incentive to go to Cyrodiil and duke it out in all campaigns. The test lasts a week so that it will get peak PVP times on weekdays and weekends, and also so that any temporary service disruptions can be taken out of the data (unless the service interruptions were caused by the stress test, in which case they should be left in). To be successful at gathering this baseline data they'll want all campaigns to be pop-locked for as much of the week-long test as possible.

Once they've got the baseline data, then they can move on to other tests. What they should ideally do with those other tests is incrementally include elements of CPs. This will let them compare the performance during those stress tests to the performance during the baseline stress test, and start narrowing down some of the calculations that seem likely to be causing undue performance issues. Once they've identified some specific things that seem to be causing performance issues, they can look at fixes in the code. It's highly unlikely that they'd decide the answer to fixing performance would be to remove CP entirely, by the way, and it's possible (although unlikely IMO) that they may find that CPs have nothing to do with the performance issues.

itzTJ wrote: »

Being upfront to me would be, like i said, giving us a straight answer about whats going on, even if they dont know. And im not an expert on this forum, i spend most of my free game time in game, so maybe they have given that answer. But if so i haven't found it. And im not even mad at zenimax in any way, im just giving my experience and saying what id like to see and what ive heard others say they'd like to see.

There's a ZOS post in the PVP forums that talks about what they're doing and why, but it doesn't necessarily spell it out in great detail.

itzTJ wrote: »

And of course they are gathering more than anecdotal evidence, but anecdotal evidence is valuable in a game, especially when they have a pts to get players opinions on things, bugs etc. ( and this forum )

It's valuable in a game for certain things, and not for others. It's most valuable for finding bugs and for getting feedback on how the end-users feel about certain features. It's not especially valuable for this kind of performance testing, because they're monitoring everything behind the scenes. The only way it becomes valuable in this kind of testing is if people can provide very specific circumstances under which they're consistently seeing performance issues, and frankly that's unlikely. That's OK though.

itzTJ wrote: »

Now my question to you would be do you pvp on XB1 NA in Haderus? and if so, are you not frustrated?

I know that question wasn't directed at me, but I'll answer it anyway. I'm on PC/NA and I barely PVP at all. I am planning on spending as much time in Cyrodiil PVPing as I can this week though, partly to take advantage of the double AP, and partly to contribute to the data ZOS needs if they're ever going to come up with real fixes for Cyrodiil performance. I'm not frustrated, but that's largely because I'm not looking at this as a week of PVP - I'm looking at it as a week of stress testing. It's now been a couple of years since software testing was any part of my job (although I have done data warehouse testing much more recently), and I really don't mind going back to a testing mentality for a game that I truly even if it's for a part of the game that I rarely ever play.

I hope that was informative for you @itzTJ; you sound like a perfectly reasonable person who was just operating under false assumptions given to you by people in-game who didn't actually know what they were talking about.