Getting kicked from Veteran Dungeons

runagate · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

As others have said, Cradle is understandable. I wouldn't really want to do any of the DLC dungeons on vet (especially not on vet hard mode) with anyone below about CP200-300 unless I'd run with them before and knew that they were significantly above average players.

Selene's Web though... Sure, on vet hard mode it's one of the tougher non-DLC dungeons, but it's not that bad. I've done it with me (CP capped) tanking, a healer who was close to CP cap but not there yet, and 2 DPS who were both below CP160 (I think one was at about 80 and the other was at about 140), neither of whom had much dungeon experience (it was only their 2nd ever vet dungeon), 1 of whom played entirely in first person, and the other one being colour blind making it difficult to see the red to keep out of it. If we could do it with that group (ie. 2 experienced and probably above average but not elite players with high CPs, and 2 inexperienced players with low CPs and several disadvantages) then an average group should be able to do it no problem with someone who's below 200 CP, but at least has max-level gear.

That brings me a smile. I've done it with our own guildies where I was basically soloing the whole place. As healer, tank and DPS on separate occasions. I am certainly no elite player.

I wouldn't even briefly consider doing vCOS with a CP 160 character, but then again I wouldn't use the LFG tool for it in the first place. I am baffled by the whole thought of other players being expected to have to run with anyone they don't want to.

No mercy to the first person POV players though. I wouldn't even do a delve with one.

Cronopoly · February 2017

As a main Tank cp667 who has had lower CP's struggle with Vet Selene's I have carried many who were not prepared through Selenes to have it fall apart on the last boss due to not having the DPS because of CP to burn the adds, not using AOE abilities on adds, or not having the DPS to burn the boss fast enough.

Ultimately you want the Helm. I get that. I'd run with a set group of people. If the group finder was the only option then yeah that might be more of a problem.

Others asked your class and basic build which you did not answer as far as I could see.

Hopefully you are not one of those who is using ONLY single target abilities to attack groups of mobs making trash pulls take forever. Most groups can tell on the 1st trash pull if your DPS is lacking or if you are spamming one ability that will make the run a living hell for all. A good group can carry you through many dungeons. But its not an entitlement.

Most people of 600+ cp have war stories of bad groups and the leading cause of wipe's.

History...and why people get kicked and the lack of patience as it didn't come out of just being mean..

- We've all seen cp300+ Sorcs hard cast Crystal Frags over and over until Out of Magica, then Light attack. :'(
- We've all seen Destro staff users not use Wall of Elements (morphs) or not use sorcs Liquid lightning etc
- We've seen Bow used to repeatedly spam Snipe morphs - same result trash pulls take forever...
- We've seen 2hand used as main with Wrecking blow spam on pulls , you get the picture...
- We've see people stand in Red or worse , Black circles until death causing healers to quit the group as God cannot heal through that type of damage.
- We've seen low cp's get the frequent "random attack" from Boss and watch them run away from tank/healer out of range causing the Boss to reset twice...

Kick'em vote ensues...

That's when or why alot of lower cp's get kicked. I personally wait to see how things are going through the first boss as I'm a glutton for punishment as most tanks are...

Khaos_Bane · February 2017

We kicked a 55cp DPS out of vCoS and he was pissed. I didn't feel bad about it at all. Told him to come back at the appropriate level.

theultimatewarrior · February 2017

I do think its *** its happen to me alot. Or what about u get invited and 3 secs the group gets dispearse dont u get a time out or im mistaken n people just kick u out

UrQuan · February 2017

runagate wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

As others have said, Cradle is understandable. I wouldn't really want to do any of the DLC dungeons on vet (especially not on vet hard mode) with anyone below about CP200-300 unless I'd run with them before and knew that they were significantly above average players.

Selene's Web though... Sure, on vet hard mode it's one of the tougher non-DLC dungeons, but it's not that bad. I've done it with me (CP capped) tanking, a healer who was close to CP cap but not there yet, and 2 DPS who were both below CP160 (I think one was at about 80 and the other was at about 140), neither of whom had much dungeon experience (it was only their 2nd ever vet dungeon), 1 of whom played entirely in first person, and the other one being colour blind making it difficult to see the red to keep out of it. If we could do it with that group (ie. 2 experienced and probably above average but not elite players with high CPs, and 2 inexperienced players with low CPs and several disadvantages) then an average group should be able to do it no problem with someone who's below 200 CP, but at least has max-level gear.

That brings me a smile. I've done it with our own guildies where I was basically soloing the whole place. As healer, tank and DPS on separate occasions. I am certainly no elite player.

I wouldn't even briefly consider doing vCOS with a CP 160 character, but then again I wouldn't use the LFG tool for it in the first place. I am baffled by the whole thought of other players being expected to have to run with anyone they don't want to.

No mercy to the first person POV players though. I wouldn't even do a delve with one.

The 2 low CP DPS players in my story are RL friends of mine (which is why I know one is colour blind and the other always plays in first person with a controller - and also why I know exactly how many vet dungeons they've done), while the healer was a guildie. The low CP players were physically in the room with me for the run lol. Also, they may have been slightly drunk at the time

RABIDxWOLVERINE · February 2017

Check the Cyrodiil vendor you might be able to find the mask there. Granted it wont be Divines but Infused is almost as nice. I got tired of getting training and pros mask so I just went and bought it with AP. Now I just need to get medium shoulders I'm tired of running this light shoulder.

runagate · February 2017

That sounds pretty fun. As you know I pretty much still play this game mostly to play with people I enjoy the company of and love helping people.

What I don't understand is the idea that a stranger can just up and decide that you need to spend your time on them, without even asking pretty please. Which, of course is why, unlike the OP, I simply refuse to use the LFG tool unless I'm especially wondering what to do with my time. Regardless of skill level you're not likely to encounter 3 other people who play at your preferred speed anyway. I used to love it when the LFG tool was irreparably broken and no one used it anyway on the rare occasions it did work. Then again, back then, there was nothing even remotely difficult content-wise except I suppose Trials, which aren't in the LFG queue anyway.

Here's a good rule of thumb: if the people in your group do not or cannot communicate, leave the group. Immediately.

alexkdd99 · February 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Just Elite's thinking they can kick people as they please. Personally I think these players should get soft-banned for this kind of behaviour. CP discrimination should be a reportable offense.

If you make your own group then you have full-right to kick someone based on their CP, but if you're using the dungeon finder tool, you have no right whatsoever to kick anybody based on their CP. If they suck, sure, but let them show you what they can do before you kick them.

Lmao cp discrimination should be reportable? Lol. Obviously you have every right to kick someone, since the feature is in the game. It takes a majority vote so if you get kicked then the rest of your group didn't want you there. I wouldn't want to be in a group with people who didn't want me there. Of course I wouldn't keep queueing for something if I was repeatedly getting kicked. Funny how I have never been kicked from a dungeon, wonder why.

It is so easy to get cp in this game, stop being lazy and go grind some cp out.

Jaeysa · February 2017

So, going to preface this to say I haven't done the DLC dungeons on vet mode. That being said, I was in a que yesterday for almost an hour as a dps. I get wanting a certain number of CP to do a really hard dungeon. However, if you're going to kick someone because of this - remember it's not their fault. If the game didn't want you to queue at 160 CP it shouldn't allow you to. Personally, I was unaware of the CP requirement for these dungeons and would be *** livid if I had waited an hour in the queue for a dungeon, only to be kicked before I zoned in. If you want a specific CP number, don't pug.

Dreyloch · February 2017

Here we go again,

The weekly thread about getting kicked from a dungeon group. Gold gear or not OP, no one knows anything about your play as competent as it may be. Best suggestions have probably already been said. Get some xp potions or scrolls, get that CP up to around 360, and you'll start to see less and less kicks.

I know it's lame, but no one can see what gear you have on, no one knows how much experience you have playing the game or any other MMO etc. Get some friends to play with, join a guild that's active and willing to help. It's all been said before ad nausem on every thread about this subject since CP came out. I'm seriously not trying to be rude, just stating the run-down in a honest fashion here.

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Just Elite's thinking they can kick people as they please. Personally I think these players should get soft-banned for this kind of behaviour. CP discrimination should be a reportable offense.

If you make your own group then you have full-right to kick someone based on their CP, but if you're using the dungeon finder tool, you have no right whatsoever to kick anybody based on their CP. If they suck, sure, but let them show you what they can do before you kick them.

Lmao cp discrimination should be reportable? Lol. Obviously you have every right to kick someone, since the feature is in the game. It takes a majority vote so if you get kicked then the rest of your group didn't want you there. I wouldn't want to be in a group with people who didn't want me there. Of course I wouldn't keep queueing for something if I was repeatedly getting kicked. Funny how I have never been kicked from a dungeon, wonder why.

It is so easy to get cp in this game, stop being lazy and go grind some cp out.

Man i got kicked from a normal dungeon the other day. I was about level 30 and it was normal Spindle just to get a skill point and quest done to level up. I was at the appropiate level cause this is a newbie level 15 dungeon and this was even before the first pull. I am a player from another platform and starting brand new on a new platform and got kicked in a super easy dungeon and i am guessing cause i didnt have any CP. Stuff like that is absolutely BS cause then i have to wait to find another group. Which personally i dont have a ton of time to play to begin with so that night i just had to do basically go sell my inventory, deconstruct and log off cause i didnt have much more time.

ChandraNalaar · February 2017

jakeyura wrote: »

I've been mostly trying Selene's Web and Cradle of Shadows. I really want a Velidreth or Selene undaunted set for my stamblade.

vCoS is your problem. Most groups aren't going to take you on a Veli run at cp 180 since it's arguably one of the hardest dungeons in the game. Selene's shouldn't be a problem though.

Jaeysa · February 2017

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Just Elite's thinking they can kick people as they please. Personally I think these players should get soft-banned for this kind of behaviour. CP discrimination should be a reportable offense.

If you make your own group then you have full-right to kick someone based on their CP, but if you're using the dungeon finder tool, you have no right whatsoever to kick anybody based on their CP. If they suck, sure, but let them show you what they can do before you kick them.

Lmao cp discrimination should be reportable? Lol. Obviously you have every right to kick someone, since the feature is in the game. It takes a majority vote so if you get kicked then the rest of your group didn't want you there. I wouldn't want to be in a group with people who didn't want me there. Of course I wouldn't keep queueing for something if I was repeatedly getting kicked. Funny how I have never been kicked from a dungeon, wonder why.

It is so easy to get cp in this game, stop being lazy and go grind some cp out.

Man i got kicked from a normal dungeon the other day. I was about level 30 and it was normal Spindle just to get a skill point and quest done to level up. I was at the appropiate level cause this is a newbie level 15 dungeon and this was even before the first pull. I am a player from another platform and starting brand new on a new platform and got kicked in a super easy dungeon and i am guessing cause i didnt have any CP. Stuff like that is absolutely BS cause then i have to wait to find another group. Which personally i dont have a ton of time to play to begin with so that night i just had to do basically go sell my inventory, deconstruct and log off cause i didnt have much more time.

So were you kicked right off the bat? Because normal dungeons seem to be more forgiving in terms of players(Can't remember seeing a vote to kick with normal dungeons before they started.)

flguy147ub17_ESO · February 2017

Jaeysa wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Just Elite's thinking they can kick people as they please. Personally I think these players should get soft-banned for this kind of behaviour. CP discrimination should be a reportable offense.

If you make your own group then you have full-right to kick someone based on their CP, but if you're using the dungeon finder tool, you have no right whatsoever to kick anybody based on their CP. If they suck, sure, but let them show you what they can do before you kick them.

Lmao cp discrimination should be reportable? Lol. Obviously you have every right to kick someone, since the feature is in the game. It takes a majority vote so if you get kicked then the rest of your group didn't want you there. I wouldn't want to be in a group with people who didn't want me there. Of course I wouldn't keep queueing for something if I was repeatedly getting kicked. Funny how I have never been kicked from a dungeon, wonder why.

It is so easy to get cp in this game, stop being lazy and go grind some cp out.

Man i got kicked from a normal dungeon the other day. I was about level 30 and it was normal Spindle just to get a skill point and quest done to level up. I was at the appropiate level cause this is a newbie level 15 dungeon and this was even before the first pull. I am a player from another platform and starting brand new on a new platform and got kicked in a super easy dungeon and i am guessing cause i didnt have any CP. Stuff like that is absolutely BS cause then i have to wait to find another group. Which personally i dont have a ton of time to play to begin with so that night i just had to do basically go sell my inventory, deconstruct and log off cause i didnt have much more time.

So were you kicked right off the bat? Because normal dungeons seem to be more forgiving in terms of players(Can't remember seeing a vote to kick with normal dungeons before they started.)

Yeah i did. It was frustrating. I have done Spindle probably 80 times before on another platform. This is kinda not what the OP is saying but some things need to be looked at the with kick feature. I would never ever at CP 30 queue for one of the hard Vet dungeons but on the other side i expect player on normal mode to help lowbies. Stuff like this kill the community and cause a lot of players to just quit. And finding a good guild is freaking impossible on console to play with.

ChandraNalaar · February 2017

Artis wrote: »

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Just Elite's thinking they can kick people as they please. Personally I think these players should get soft-banned for this kind of behaviour. CP discrimination should be a reportable offense.

If you make your own group then you have full-right to kick someone based on their CP, but if you're using the dungeon finder tool, you have no right whatsoever to kick anybody based on their CP. If they suck, sure, but let them show you what they can do before you kick them.

Elites aren't using that tool all that often.

Yeah a lot of elitists won't even use dungeon finder, and what on earth is cp discrimination? A group has every right to kick you based on your ability to complete a dungeon. At cp 180 you have a cap on your abilities based on cp, so even if you are a great player at that level, you are at a big disadvantage compared to other players with more cp. Soft banning people who kick you won't do anything, though. ZoS isn't going to go through every kicked person in a dungeon finder to see whether or not the kick was justified; they aren't the dungeon justice squad of Tamriel, and sometimes you just have to deal with getting kicked. Join a guild that is willing to help you go through those dungeons for the helm, don't use gf.

ChandraNalaar · February 2017

Cronopoly wrote: »

As a main Tank cp667 who has had lower CP's struggle with Vet Selene's I have carried many who were not prepared through Selenes to have it fall apart on the last boss due to not having the DPS because of CP to burn the adds, not using AOE abilities on adds, or not having the DPS to burn the boss fast enough.

Ultimately you want the Helm. I get that. I'd run with a set group of people. If the group finder was the only option then yeah that might be more of a problem.

Others asked your class and basic build which you did not answer as far as I could see.

Hopefully you are not one of those who is using ONLY single target abilities to attack groups of mobs making trash pulls take forever. Most groups can tell on the 1st trash pull if your DPS is lacking or if you are spamming one ability that will make the run a living hell for all. A good group can carry you through many dungeons. But its not an entitlement.

Most people of 600+ cp have war stories of bad groups and the leading cause of wipe's.

History...and why people get kicked and the lack of patience as it didn't come out of just being mean..

- We've all seen cp300+ Sorcs hard cast Crystal Frags over and over until Out of Magica, then Light attack. :'(
- We've all seen Destro staff users not use Wall of Elements (morphs) or not use sorcs Liquid lightning etc
- We've seen Bow used to repeatedly spam Snipe morphs - same result trash pulls take forever...
- We've seen 2hand used as main with Wrecking blow spam on pulls , you get the picture...
- We've see people stand in Red or worse , Black circles until death causing healers to quit the group as God cannot heal through that type of damage.
- We've seen low cp's get the frequent "random attack" from Boss and watch them run away from tank/healer out of range causing the Boss to reset twice... Kick'em vote ensues...

That's when or why alot of lower cp's get kicked. I personally wait to see how things are going through the first boss as I'm a glutton for punishment as most tanks are...

^^This right here is why it happens. I am with this guy, I'll wait and see how you do before kicking you, and I'll even try to help with your build before doing so. However, a lot of players who experience what the above poster described don't want to suffer again, so they kick the low cp dude before he has a chance to either do well or cause problems.

raidentenshu_ESO · February 2017

Cronopoly wrote: »

As a main Tank cp667 who has had lower CP's struggle with Vet Selene's I have carried many who were not prepared through Selenes to have it fall apart on the last boss due to not having the DPS because of CP to burn the adds, not using AOE abilities on adds, or not having the DPS to burn the boss fast enough.

Ultimately you want the Helm. I get that. I'd run with a set group of people. If the group finder was the only option then yeah that might be more of a problem.

Others asked your class and basic build which you did not answer as far as I could see.

Hopefully you are not one of those who is using ONLY single target abilities to attack groups of mobs making trash pulls take forever. Most groups can tell on the 1st trash pull if your DPS is lacking or if you are spamming one ability that will make the run a living hell for all. A good group can carry you through many dungeons. But its not an entitlement.

Most people of 600+ cp have war stories of bad groups and the leading cause of wipe's.

History...and why people get kicked and the lack of patience as it didn't come out of just being mean..

- We've all seen cp300+ Sorcs hard cast Crystal Frags over and over until Out of Magica, then Light attack. :'(
- We've all seen Destro staff users not use Wall of Elements (morphs) or not use sorcs Liquid lightning etc
- We've seen Bow used to repeatedly spam Snipe morphs - same result trash pulls take forever...
- We've seen 2hand used as main with Wrecking blow spam on pulls , you get the picture...
- We've see people stand in Red or worse , Black circles until death causing healers to quit the group as God cannot heal through that type of damage.
- We've seen low cp's get the frequent "random attack" from Boss and watch them run away from tank/healer out of range causing the Boss to reset twice... Kick'em vote ensues...

That's when or why alot of lower cp's get kicked. I personally wait to see how things are going through the first boss as I'm a glutton for punishment as most tanks are...

As a 672 Mag sorc DPS I was in a terrible pug group just last-night doing SC2.

1. Tank was using 2hand as his primary, and wasn't taunting boss which caused us to wipe a few times during the boss (Bloodspawn) fight.
2. The Mag DPS sorcs (The other DPS) kept spamming crystal frags approx 5 to 6 times.... wasn't using AOE for adds... no formal rotation whatsoever.
3. Healer while they did do their jobs in healing..... didn't have mystic orbs as part of their rotation, and therefor I was struggling to sustain myself because I was burning through my resource twice as hard. I was essentially carrying the entire group due to me being the most experienced player.

alephthiago · February 2017

Jaeysa wrote: »

if you're going to kick someone because of this - remember it's not their fault.

It is, they should do some research about how difficult a dungeon is to friends or hell, even in zone and ask themselves if they are not putting their weight in someone else's back.

Jaeysa wrote: »

If you want a specific CP number, don't pug.

If you dont want to feel that way when someone more aware of the dungeon difficult ends up kicking you, don't pug too.
People might not want to carry you, they cant know just by looking if you are a competent low cp (less than 3%) or not (the big vast majority).

Ep1kMalware · February 2017

Op what platform are you on? If ur on ps4 we'll grind some selenes tomorrow. maybe cos if you do ok. I'm not worried about your dps z(too much) but survivability will be a big deal, we wont be running with a healer.

srfrogg23 · February 2017

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Molydeus · February 2017

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

We kicked a 55cp DPS out of vCoS and he was pissed. I didn't feel bad about it at all. Told him to come back at the appropriate level.

If it was a random then he had no choice in what dungeon he was assigned. You should feel bad for being a jerk.

Artis · February 2017

It's all good OP. You wait - if they add the token system it'll be worse: you'll get kicked for not having BiS items and not pulling an even higher DPS.

Jaeysa · February 2017

alephthiago wrote: »

Jaeysa wrote: »

if you're going to kick someone because of this - remember it's not their fault.

It is, they should do some research about how difficult a dungeon is to friends or hell, even in zone and ask themselves if they are not putting their weight in someone else's back.

Jaeysa wrote: »

If you want a specific CP number, don't pug.

If you dont want to feel that way when someone more aware of the dungeon difficult ends up kicking you, don't pug too.
People might not want to carry you, they cant know just by looking if you are a competent low cp (less than 3%) or not (the big vast majority).

And if it's a random dungeon they just got luck of the draw. There's a difference between carrying someone in a hard dungeon, or expecting a hard dungeon to be as smooth and painless as an easy one by everyone out-gearing it.

FearlessOne_2014 · February 2017

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

Just Elite's thinking they can kick people as they please. Personally I think these players should get soft-banned for this kind of behaviour. CP discrimination should be a reportable offense.

If you make your own group then you have full-right to kick someone based on their CP, but if you're using the dungeon finder tool, you have no right whatsoever to kick anybody based on their CP. If they suck, sure, but let them show you what they can do before you kick them.

Lol you sound lazy, salty, and self entitled to have others to pull your weight. How about instead of lobbying to a "soft ban" You lobby for the kick option to be removed for group queue? Then you will win without imposing bans on people.

Khaos_Bane · February 2017

Molydeus wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

We kicked a 55cp DPS out of vCoS and he was pissed. I didn't feel bad about it at all. Told him to come back at the appropriate level.

If it was a random then he had no choice in what dungeon he was assigned. You should feel bad for being a jerk.

Why should I, we weren't going to complete vCoS with a cp55. Maybe LFG tool shouldn't put them in there at far to low of a level for it. Not worth wasting the time of 3 people and clearly everyone agreed. Just do a normal random at that level.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2017

I dont kick players from dungeons based on CP. That being said, I would not take a random PC 180 into COS (I also wouldnt use groupfinder for COS). I am not saying you are someone of that CP rank cant complete, but 9/10 times it's not going to work out.

My suggestion is find a guild.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you are CP160 as DPS role for Vet Cradle of Shadows, it's pretty much going to be a 100% guaranteed insta-kick. That dungeon is difficult even for max CP characters, and your meager DPS will just cause group wipes repeatedly due to overwhelming boss mechanics.

Selene's is much, much easier. You should be able to do it. The only problem will be the second form of the last boss, as this can be very hard for a low DPS group. However, if you have a solid 600 CP DPS in the group, they can carry you through it.

Lost boss of Selenes is 100% tank dependent. If you have a tank that knows how to follow basic mechanics, its not hard. Problem is that this is one of the few bosses in group dungeons that can one shot a well geared tank while they are blocking.

parkham · February 2017

Yeah that happened to me when we grouped for Imperial City Prison . The player basically we wouldn't couldn't finish it and we got dumped.

UrQuan · February 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lost boss of Selenes is 100% tank dependent. If you have a tank that knows how to follow basic mechanics, its not hard. Problem is that this is one of the few bosses in group dungeons that can one shot a well geared tank while they are blocking.

Actually, that's a good point. I said earlier that there should be no problem with doing that dungeon on vet with low CP people, but if I was in a group where the tank was low CP I might be concerned (while I wouldn't be with low CP DPS). Not because a low CP tank wouldn't have the stats or abilities to do the dungeon, but because they're likely to be inexperienced and have trouble in that fight. Heck, even experienced tanks can get one-shotted there if they slip up just a little.

zaria · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

As others have said, Cradle is understandable. I wouldn't really want to do any of the DLC dungeons on vet (especially not on vet hard mode) with anyone below about CP200-300 unless I'd run with them before and knew that they were significantly above average players.

Selene's Web though... Sure, on vet hard mode it's one of the tougher non-DLC dungeons, but it's not that bad. I've done it with me (CP capped) tanking, a healer who was close to CP cap but not there yet, and 2 DPS who were both below CP160 (I think one was at about 80 and the other was at about 140), neither of whom had much dungeon experience (it was only their 2nd ever vet dungeon), 1 of whom played entirely in first person, and the other one being colour blind making it difficult to see the red to keep out of it. If we could do it with that group (ie. 2 experienced and probably above average but not elite players with high CPs, and 2 inexperienced players with low CPs and several disadvantages) then an average group should be able to do it no problem with someone who's below 200 CP, but at least has max-level gear.

That brings me a smile. I've done it with our own guildies where I was basically soloing the whole place. As healer, tank and DPS on separate occasions. I am certainly no elite player.

I wouldn't even briefly consider doing vCOS with a CP 160 character, but then again I wouldn't use the LFG tool for it in the first place. I am baffled by the whole thought of other players being expected to have to run with anyone they don't want to.

No mercy to the first person POV players though. I wouldn't even do a delve with one.

The 2 low CP DPS players in my story are RL friends of mine (which is why I know one is colour blind and the other always plays in first person with a controller - and also why I know exactly how many vet dungeons they've done), while the healer was a guildie. The low CP players were physically in the room with me for the run lol. Also, they may have been slightly drunk at the time

Don't talk about drunk in dungeons. I did an guild run, all was on TS, it was pretty obvious everyone was drinking and getting more drunk.
Nobody wanted to chicken out, that would imply loosing face. This was during the VR14 time, we used four hours

UrQuan · February 2017

zaria wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

As others have said, Cradle is understandable. I wouldn't really want to do any of the DLC dungeons on vet (especially not on vet hard mode) with anyone below about CP200-300 unless I'd run with them before and knew that they were significantly above average players.

Selene's Web though... Sure, on vet hard mode it's one of the tougher non-DLC dungeons, but it's not that bad. I've done it with me (CP capped) tanking, a healer who was close to CP cap but not there yet, and 2 DPS who were both below CP160 (I think one was at about 80 and the other was at about 140), neither of whom had much dungeon experience (it was only their 2nd ever vet dungeon), 1 of whom played entirely in first person, and the other one being colour blind making it difficult to see the red to keep out of it. If we could do it with that group (ie. 2 experienced and probably above average but not elite players with high CPs, and 2 inexperienced players with low CPs and several disadvantages) then an average group should be able to do it no problem with someone who's below 200 CP, but at least has max-level gear.

That brings me a smile. I've done it with our own guildies where I was basically soloing the whole place. As healer, tank and DPS on separate occasions. I am certainly no elite player.

I wouldn't even briefly consider doing vCOS with a CP 160 character, but then again I wouldn't use the LFG tool for it in the first place. I am baffled by the whole thought of other players being expected to have to run with anyone they don't want to.

No mercy to the first person POV players though. I wouldn't even do a delve with one.

The 2 low CP DPS players in my story are RL friends of mine (which is why I know one is colour blind and the other always plays in first person with a controller - and also why I know exactly how many vet dungeons they've done), while the healer was a guildie. The low CP players were physically in the room with me for the run lol. Also, they may have been slightly drunk at the time

Don't talk about drunk in dungeons. I did an guild run, all was on TS, it was pretty obvious everyone was drinking and getting more drunk.
Nobody wanted to chicken out, that would imply loosing face. This was during the VR14 time, we used four hours

I don't think I've ever done a dungeon with @MissBizz when she wasn't drinking

and maybe, just maybe I was too for one or two of them