Nerf Burning Spellweave? (Trigger Warning)

Vaoh · February 2017

Yes - lower Proc Chance

dday3six wrote: »

So what's the purpose? Diversity for the sake of diversity? Even at an increase of 3k dps self buffed, which I dispute, but for the sake of argument will agree to. Group buffs have been drastically nerfed with the calculation changes to Warhorn. So that number will not go much higher in a group. It's not as if BSW is 2x the output of LoJ. It's only a marginal increase.

I don't think it's been said either that having one set at the top means that players don't need to have a different set for each character because they can just swap the one set between them all. Which massively cuts down on the need to farm when using multiple characters as well.

Yep! That's the reason exactly. Personally I don't like it when one set beats out every other set for the entire category of Magicka DPS.

I'm glad you can acknowledge that it truly is superior, though you like it this way for legit good reasons (like much less grind).

Burning Spellweave actually improved in Homestead due to Warhorn changes, as it is not dependant on Critical Damage. Other previously "BiS" sets like Mother's Sorrow and Twice-Born Star are no longer worth it though which leave Burning Spellweave with almost no competitors at all.

Wallach · February 2017

No

Seems like a pretty minor advantage over Juliano's, honestly. 430 spell damage with a ~60% uptime versus 688 spell critical with 100% uptime. In fact for something that isn't guaranteed I'm surprised Juliano's is that close given you can just slap a set together at a crafting station. I don't see how this merits a nerf.

Sounds more like you just need more options on the level of sets like Juliano's and Burning Spellweave, though it is not that uncommon to see "endgame" builds gravitate towards fewer and fewer options as you add more and more standards they have to meet to be seen as "competitive". There are in fact only so many ways you can skin a cat; people will always be looking for one particular set that is considered optimal for their needs.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2017

No

Tryxus wrote: »

Buff crafted sets to be stronger

The second strongest DPS is a crafted set (as is probably the third strongest, TBS). Julianos is like 1-2k DPS behind BSW on a 40k or so single target parse. Crafted sets should be strong, but not BIS. BIS is something that should have to be worked for. Everyone and their mom is a 9 trait crafter. In fact, if your rotation is less than perfect, julianos is better than spellweave.

The problem is one of perception. The top of the top DPS are by definition min/maxers. People see Alcast post 60k with BSW and then look down and they are pulling 25K with Julianos and want to blame the set. News flash, he is just better than you.

Riga_Mortis · February 2017

No

Vaoh wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

So what's the purpose? Diversity for the sake of diversity? Even at an increase of 3k dps self buffed, which I dispute, but for the sake of argument will agree to. Group buffs have been drastically nerfed with the calculation changes to Warhorn. So that number will not go much higher in a group. It's not as if BSW is 2x the output of LoJ. It's only a marginal increase.

I don't think it's been said either that having one set at the top means that players don't need to have a different set for each character because they can just swap the one set between them all. Which massively cuts down on the need to farm when using multiple characters as well.

Yep! That's the reason exactly. Personally I don't like it when one set beats out every other set for the entire category of Magicka DPS.

I'm glad you can acknowledge that it truly is superior, though you like it this way for legit good reasons (like much less grind).

Burning Spellweave actually improved in Homestead due to Warhorn changes, as it is not dependant on Critical Damage. Other previously "BiS" sets like Mother's Sorrow and Twice-Born Star are no longer worth it though which leave Burning Spellweave with almost no competitors at all.

@Vaoh curious as to what set you were running prior to the homestead patch as the other sets you mentioned getting nerfed or not worth it due to the crit nerf doesnt mean BSW should get nerfed as a result of a blanket sweep.

Malamar1229 · February 2017

I think I am on run 275ish something for a sharp inferno staff. If I get it tonight and they nerf bsw tomorrow, yes ill be upset and im sure you can undertand why.

i would love to be able to hop in game and just PvP instead of spending X time (whatever it was farming coa1) for a staff to pvp with bis for my build.

It might be overperforming for mdk as you say, but i dont think it is on magsorc pvp

Malamar1229 · February 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

And the nerf mdk threads start

No.

Don't derail my thread. I'm actually trying to gauge the opinion of the forum community to figure out where people stand on this particular idea.

It's not a derail it's the truth a nerf to this set is a huge nerf to mdk in pvp

Again, no.

Magicka DK is the singular class spec that would never feel a difference if the proc chance was reduced by 5%, since they apply so many Flame DoTs.

They'd do just as fine in PvP as well as PvE. Other classes would feel it a tiny bit, specifically Mag NB/Sorc.

And if that's considered a "huge nerf" to Mag DKs there is nothing in the game that could ever help you play well tbh,

Again no when did you say no to me the first time? And ppl are clearly against this look at ur damn poll

Because people.

If the president came out and said were going to bill every1 for $100 this month for the greater good of the country, do you think the majority would be against? feck yes they would.

Cant come on here suggeting a nerf and expecting those using it (myself included to an extent) to support it.

I want that shizznit to be boe or an easier drop rate if its reduced to 15%

Calboy · February 2017

Yes - just nerf it somehow

This set clearly needs a nerf. Sometimes I wish zos would put me in charge, *** I'd have some fun with those that always want to be op.

cpuScientist · February 2017

Other

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

cpuScientist wrote: »

It's OK for some sets to be better than others you know. We really need to stop asking for nerf this or that. But buff that it this. Buff julianos to be 350 spell damage for instance, this still wouldn't make it better than bsw on paper, but it would make them alot closer. But really BSW is just fine. It's a strong set that's not overly above and beyond. You can wear julianos and pull nearly the same number.

The only thing in this game that is OP is sharpened. Precise and nirnhoned need buffs more than anything else needs nerfs.

Not exactly. The difference between Julianos and BSW is like 3k+ DPS in a self buffed situation. In a trial situation with all the buffs the gap becomes way bigger.

It's not 3k. Or you'd did your rotation completely wrong the second time. The set is not going to turn 30k into 33k its not that much stronger.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318595/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/p1

Post #4, section 4.6.1, there's a comparison between sets namely (1) and (4). 2k difference between Julianos and BSW in a perfect rotation where everything is executed flawlessly. Add human error to it and you take that to around 2.5k. Add some RNG (like BSW being proc'ed for every single ultimate) and you get to 3k.

A mate of mine did a test for which I was applying Elemental Drain and Orbs, he did 85 sec with BSW and 93 sec with Julianos. Which is roughly a 3k difference (35.2k with BSW and 32.3k with Julianos). From his clips there wasn't any changes or screw ups in the rotation.

Add in human error and it's going down not up lol. If he screws the rotation on his BSW it's going down aswell lol. And once again RNG can make it better or worst. So I can say with human error and bad RNG it's 1k. It's best on DK. But on classes that have executes the uptime goes down during the execute.

None of the top DPS sets give 10% more DPS than the other.

cpuScientist · February 2017

Other

I would like to see diversity sure. Twiceborn is feeling the nerf. HOWEVER not in the form of nerfs. I personally don't think the best set in the game should be craftable. It should be farmable and somewhat hard to get.

BSW in PvP is nice when you combine it with a sustain set. Or some MagDK combine it with a heavy DPS set like rattlecage. And they feel it in sustain. It's fine all of this is fine.

BSW is where it needs to be. However they do need to buff some alternatives, but there will always be a BIS setup that people will cling on too. Sooooo....

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · February 2017

I voted yes even though I'm a fan of Burning Spellweave.

The set needs a slight spell damage reduction from the proc. Not because I think the set is too strong. But because, it outperforms all other sets. I have a big issue with so many sets in the game but nearly everyone is running the same set. Bring Burning Spellweave down a small peg so that sets like Scathing Mage are near equivalent. That way there isn't a disputed king of the hill in gear. I want to see more variety.

dday3six · February 2017

No

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

So what's the purpose? Diversity for the sake of diversity? Even at an increase of 3k dps self buffed, which I dispute, but for the sake of argument will agree to. Group buffs have been drastically nerfed with the calculation changes to Warhorn. So that number will not go much higher in a group. It's not as if BSW is 2x the output of LoJ. It's only a marginal increase.

I don't think it's been said either that having one set at the top means that players don't need to have a different set for each character because they can just swap the one set between them all. Which massively cuts down on the need to farm when using multiple characters as well.

Try to find a parse that overcomes 50k DPS on a boss fight that includes Law of Julianos. There's a reason you don't see them.

Breaking 50k is rare to begin with, but if the difference is 50k vs 47k, both are the highest tier. After about 45k until 55k iirc you're not shaving off enough time skip anymore mechanics and the time is 10s-12s shorter. Regardless of which sets shouldn't be balanced from the top down to begin with. A small portion of the playerbase is even able to do 50k in BIS gear.

RebornV3x · February 2017

No

How bout we stop nerfing and start buffing other sets maybe a buff to crafted sets nerfing is usually never the answer it's just an excuse because of bad balance.

cpuScientist · February 2017

Other

In a solo parse. It's going to appear alot higher as well. But in a trials where others are proccing burning for you. They are incredibly close. BSW is great. Use it. But it's not a set that makes or breaks. People are still pulling close. If you have it use it. Don't pull your hair out though.

Orbital · February 2017

No

Who ever made this thread clearly just wants some attention

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO · February 2017

No

BSW is 600 damage for 8 seconds that can triger every 12 seconds.

So in the best case scenario, it gives the same bonus as Silks of the Sun (constant 400 spell damage to fire abilities).

The only differences is that it also procs status effect and it has an offensive 2 piece bonus compared to the health 2 piece bonus from silks of the sun. So it gives only a slight edge over some of the sets, and some are eetter depending on the build.

Therefore, there is no need to have it nerfed as other sets will need to be nerfed as well if we follow the same path.

SublimeSparo · February 2017

No

There will always be a BIS set, say you nerf BSW, everyone will use scathing, then you nerf scathing, everyone goes back to tbs, where does it stop?

dday3six · February 2017

No

Vaoh wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

So what's the purpose? Diversity for the sake of diversity? Even at an increase of 3k dps self buffed, which I dispute, but for the sake of argument will agree to. Group buffs have been drastically nerfed with the calculation changes to Warhorn. So that number will not go much higher in a group. It's not as if BSW is 2x the output of LoJ. It's only a marginal increase.

I don't think it's been said either that having one set at the top means that players don't need to have a different set for each character because they can just swap the one set between them all. Which massively cuts down on the need to farm when using multiple characters as well.

Yep! That's the reason exactly. Personally I don't like it when one set beats out every other set for the entire category of Magicka DPS.

I'm glad you can acknowledge that it truly is superior, though you like it this way for legit good reasons (like much less grind).

Burning Spellweave actually improved in Homestead due to Warhorn changes, as it is not dependant on Critical Damage. Other previously "BiS" sets like Mother's Sorrow and Twice-Born Star are no longer worth it though which leave Burning Spellweave with almost no competitors at all.

I admit BSW is on top, but it's not over-performing to a point that it's disallowing groups to complete content witout it or allowing underperforming players to clutch through otherwise impossible situations.

There's always going to be a set that is mathematically on top, and classes share too many points for a variation among them without making sets specifically for a certain class build.

Sinthrax · February 2017

No

Why? So some other set can move up to the top and be over used. There are so many sets in this game they will NEVER balance them all. I am over it.

Also, looks like you opinion is in the minority...very much so..

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

No

Wth why do ppl keep asking for nerfs

Eleusian · February 2017

Yes - reduce Spell Damage benefit

60% up time max is way to powerful. It's a 400 spell damage boost on average. Nerf it , nerf it all night long . There wasn't a option for what I really wanted to vote

scorpiodog · February 2017

The sets that need to be nerfed are the ones that can proc 8K damage+ on multiple oponnents using one AOE skill and don't have a cooldown period, so people can just pop a large AOE/DOT like hurricane and let the procs roll ...

I don't really have that much of a problem with a set that last for 8 seconds and has a 12 second cooldown

Lylith · February 2017

No

i have it but am not using it, atm. <shrug>

once it's nerfed, you whiners will move onto the next stronger set and demand it be nerfed also.

neverending ***.

Olupajmibanan · February 2017

No

One thing came to my mind.
People asking for BSW nerf are always (or mostly) argumenting about it's popularity and comparation to other sets.
If every magicka class uses it, and it's bis for them, that doesn't mean it deserves a nerf.

By this philosophy, if we nerfed bsw because it's too popular, we would have to nerf Maelstrom weapons as well. Every magicka class uses Maelstrom Destro staff, every stamina class uses maelstrom dagger + axe. It's bis for them.

Are these weapons good? Of course! Are these weapons a lot better than standard weapons? Of course, just as BSW is better than most other sets. Do maelstrom weapons deserve a nerf?

It's exactly the same case, if you ask for BSW nerf because it's popular and better than most other sets, you must ask for maelstrom weapons nerf as well. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

Brantleyx · February 2017

This honestly needs to stop because it's becoming sicking and disgusting. Stop EVEN writing these type of threads up. Every time there is a decent set out there for use, people like this go and quickly write up - "some out of this world synopsis", on how it should or shouldn't be nerfed. Ask for our opinions, when really their REAL goal is for the developers to actually look into the set and find a problem when there isn't one. There SHOULD NOT BE A POLL about this, there shouldn't be people comparing anything to this. This thread shouldn't exist, There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with burning spellweave. Its not overpowered, over "proc'ing", Just a great set. Move on.

Masel · February 2017

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No. Buff scathing mage again, buff Julianos and others. Stop with the nerf cries.

Simply remove the cooldown on scathing. That would be enough to get a decent uptime. Now that path doesn't proc it anymore it's utterly useless, even on magblades.

Nifty2g · February 2017

No

Nerfing this will just make Julianos the go to, should we nerf that too next?

xblackroxe · February 2017

No

Masel92 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No. Buff scathing mage again, buff Julianos and others. Stop with the nerf cries.

Simply remove the cooldown on scathing. That would be enough to get a decent uptime. Now that path doesn't proc it anymore it's utterly useless, even on magblades.

Path still procs it as it still isn't considered a dot. Doesn't even benefit of thaum

olsborg · February 2017

Yes - just nerf it somehow

Theres alot of sets imo that has too big procc or proccs too easily. 600 wep dmg is fine on a set like alchemist, but then you have bsw and you have other heavy sets (for stamina) like ravager, seventh legion etc etc. These sets are too strong imo, specially when you compare them to other sets for dmg.

Vaoh · February 2017

Yes - lower Proc Chance

Nifty2g wrote: »

Nerfing this will just make Julianos the go to, should we nerf that too next?

No way. That'd be a terrible and uncalled for change. I doubt anyone would ask for Julianos to be nerfed.

All this poll asks is if the unrivaled BiS set for all Magicka DPS deserves to be ever-so-slightly tuned down, for the sake of the viability and meaningful buffs of other DPS sets in endgame. I personally don't like that one Mag set pulls better DPS than every other Mag set no matter your class/rotation.

I definitely see why others might disagree though especially with regards to grinding. Having an unrivaled BiS gear set kills build diversity but there is much less grindinh and it's easy to swap onto your other characters.

BSW always struck me as odd since it provides a massive burst of damage potential (via Spell Damage) making it fantastic for PvP and Ulti drops. I'd have thought a set that was so utterly BiS for PvE would not be so useful in PvP but oh well

xblackroxe · February 2017

No

Id say having bsw as BIS set for magicka is an improvement already anyways. Before there it was tbs for absolutely everything. Now at least stam and mag run different sets.