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Nerf Burning Spellweave? (Trigger Warning)
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Patouf✭✭✭NoBSW IS NOT A BiS FOR EVERY MAGICKA DPS SETUP ! Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain.
Necropotence is very very very good for some builds, Scathing mage is so OP with some builds. Netch can be so good on mSorc.
The all difference between this sets is around 1% to 6% ! That's all !
If, BSW deserves a nerf, why not for the other good sets ?
You just put Netch next to BSW, Necropotence, and Scathing. Then said the damage is between 1-6% (huge range with obviously zero testing).
"Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain".
This post..... it is wrong on so many levels xD
Build on lightning damage, it is possible with msSorc, 75 in thaumaturge with passive with heavy attack between dots. I did not say : BSW ~ necro ~ netch or BSW = necro = netch
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - lower Proc ChanceBSW IS NOT A BiS FOR EVERY MAGICKA DPS SETUP ! Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain.
Necropotence is very very very good for some builds, Scathing mage is so OP with some builds. Netch can be so good on mSorc.
The all difference between this sets is around 1% to 6% ! That's all !
If, BSW deserves a nerf, why not for the other good sets ?
Netch is OP
"Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain".
This post..... it is wrong on so many levels xD
Really, show me how am I wrong =D ? I am listening =D
It would take me like 30min to thoroughly call out everything in your post, which you would then disregard.
I think to sum it up quickly I'd say this - your use of the phrase "some builds" is where you are show you are not understanding the reason for this thread.
This is not about "some builds" or made up numbers Here we are discussing BiS (Best in Slot) for Magicka DPS. In other words, what is actually pulling the highest DPS.
The answer right now looks like this:
Mag DK: Burning Spellweave
Mag Sorc: Burning Spellweave, can slot Necropotence in a handful of very specific scenarios
Mag NB: Burning Spelleave and/or Scathing Mage (due to a bug!)
Mag Temp: Burning Spellweave
See the problem? One set outclasses all others because it procs extraordinarily easily.
Solution: miniscule nerf to BSW + buff other sets
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Patouf✭✭✭NoMy answer is : BSW has a low difference between other competitive sets.
That's why i am talking about some builds, you are just talking about meta builds.
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✭✭✭✭✭NoI just finished getting nerfed. My dps is lower than it was pre homestead. I don't want any more nerfs in the near future. I'm sick of taking more nerfs so the elite crew takes 27 minutes in vMoL instead of 25.Edited by redspecter23 on February 22, 2017 12:34PM0 -
Loc2262✭✭✭✭✭NoNo. I just had the cr*p nerfed out of my stam chars, leave my mag chars alone. I've had enough nerffests for a long time!Kind regards,
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✭NoQuit nerfing stuff, ZOS/developers.. damn! The rearming trap has been nerfed to hell with this recent update. What the f, man?! ha ha. Why not just buff things and make things better, instead of always debuffing things and making it worst? I don't get it. It is always going a step backward with ESO. When you nerfed things, you are only going backward and not making the ESO experience any better; you're only making it worst.. I don't get it?!! Much like this lackluster housing update (sorry, going off in a tangent a bit from this thread). Quest and all, it's a shamble.0 -
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✭✭Yes - just nerf it somehowYeah @Vaoh its weird to see everyone completely disagree with a good idea. I'm down for a slight nerf as this set just vastly out performs everything else (we are talking 3k+ DPS). The issue is that if ZOS do nerf it they probably won't do it right... I think we should wait for Morrowind, the people who went to ZOS have given massive amounts of feedback and I'm sure ZOS will implement it, and hopefully they have talked about set balance...@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - lower Proc ChanceGreenhaloX wrote: »Quit nerfing stuff, ZOS/developers.. damn! The rearming trap has been nerfed to hell with this recent update. What the f, man?! ha ha. Why not just buff things and make things better, instead of always debuffing things and making it worst? I don't get it. It is always going a step backward with ESO. When you nerfed things, you are only going backward and not making the ESO experience any better; you're only making it worst.. I don't get it?!! Much like this lackluster housing update (sorry, going off in a tangent a bit from this thread). Quest and all, it's a shamble.
What?
Stam needs buffs..... so you're complaining about it on a poll thread where the community is asked what their thoughts on slightly nerfing BSW are? (and then you voted to keep Magicka fully buffed xD)
Why did you post here?
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Rohaus✭✭✭✭✭NoI do not think BSW needs to be nerfed at all but I do feel there should be an overhaul of many of the sets in ESO. Think about all of the sets that NO ONE uses... on top of that, there are sets that on paper look good but in reality are garbage due to underperforming or are simply bugged.YouTube channel Rohaus Lives!
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✭Yes - reduce Spell Damage benefitPeople who say "buff other sets don't nerf this" know nothing about coding and game design.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
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✭NoEDIT: Seems that overall people don't want any changes at all made to Burning Spellweave. I've already called for tons of other sets to be buffed so they can be viable for DPS too, but having a set like BSW which is so superior will negate those efforts GG balance - I'm honestly surprised that people like having one set be BiS for practically all Magicka DPS builds.
Does Burning Spellweave (BSW) deserve a nerf?
In PvE, it is BiS for nearly all Magicka DPS setups. This set provides massive Spell Damage and often procs right off cooldown since it has a 20% proc chance..... on dealing fire damage.
It can be slotted and procced by using BSW weapons as well, letting you to utilize it in many flexible ways on your build.
Even in PvP it has use, being arguably BiS for a Magicka DK build due to the huge burst potential it grants you for a reliable 8/12 seconds every proc cycle. It outclasses Sun very easily.
Personally I think it deserves a minor nerf (reduce proc chance to 15% or 10%) to bring it in line with many alternative sets but still have it be fantastic. I also think a lot of cool sets like Destructive Mage or Overwhelming Surge should get buffed to be on par to sets like Burning Spellweave for PvE.
Note: I farmed it out too.
As someone who knows all about set balance and BiS since I run vMoL HM, Burning Spellweave is always the go-to set. Just too much damage to pass up. A lower proc chance would still leave it great (and BiS on Mag Dks which makes sense) but no longer stronger than all other alternatives.
What do you think?
Dude, weak. Tbh I play stam. But calling for nerfs is just being a crybaby. Mag classes have had *** for sets for a while. Stam will get their chance to be op again soon enough, so let mag lovers and people bored with stam have some fun yeh?
Honestly, 90% of the players who use this set won't make proper use of the buffs in the first place, and a new fotm would be nice. Too many damn scrubby stamsorcs trying to squeeze into meta builds >.< variety is the spice of life.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - lower Proc ChanceIzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Yeah @Vaoh its weird to see everyone completely disagree with a good idea. I'm down for a slight nerf as this set just vastly out performs everything else (we are talking 3k+ DPS). The issue is that if ZOS do nerf it they probably won't do it right... I think we should wait for Morrowind, the people who went to ZOS have given massive amounts of feedback and I'm sure ZOS will implement it, and hopefully they have talked about set balance...
Yep. I'm glad you mentioned ppl going over to ZOS HQ. I forgot about that!
There is a good possibility we will see a lot of rebalancing with Morrowind. I cannot say exactly how I feel about some of the people in this thread or I'd get warnings
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✭✭Yes - just nerf it somehowBSW IS NOT A BiS FOR EVERY MAGICKA DPS SETUP ! Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain.
Necropotence is very very very good for some builds, Scathing mage is so OP with some builds. Netch can be so good on mSorc.
The all difference between this sets is around 1% to 6% ! That's all !
If, BSW deserves a nerf, why not for the other good sets ?
Netch is OP
"Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain".
This post..... it is wrong on so many levels xD
Really, show me how am I wrong =D ? I am listening =D
For optimal damage a sorc uses double inferno staves. With that in mind you only have 2 abilites (3 in execute) that deal shock damage: Liquid Lightning and Force Pulse and Mages' Wrath. 400 spell damage to shock damage from Netch isn't affected by modifiers like Sorcery buffs and the Expert Mage passive. 400 spell damage is around 5-7% damage increase to those 3 abilities, which is basically insignificant. Liquid Lightning is around 15%+ total damage in a fight and the shock portion of Force Pulse is around 4% while Mage's Wrath varies but its still around 10% max. So with Netch you're increasing roughly 31% of you damage by 5-7%. On top of that the 4pc boni are inferior: you trade a spell crit bonus for a health bonus which is a loss of DPS once again. So BSW gives you around 7-9% damage increase to ALL your abilities, including Frags (50k+ dmg usually), Curse, Light Attacks (up to 10% of total damage), Blockade and your ultimates. At this point if you don't see where you're wrong @Patouf then there's not much I can do for you.@ Izaki #PCEU
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xboxNA corin6✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »Quit nerfing stuff, ZOS/developers.. damn! The rearming trap has been nerfed to hell with this recent update. What the f, man?! ha ha. Why not just buff things and make things better, instead of always debuffing things and making it worst? I don't get it. It is always going a step backward with ESO. When you nerfed things, you are only going backward and not making the ESO experience any better; you're only making it worst.. I don't get it?!! Much like this lackluster housing update (sorry, going off in a tangent a bit from this thread). Quest and all, it's a shamble.
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Patouf✭✭✭NoIzakiBrotherSs wrote: »BSW IS NOT A BiS FOR EVERY MAGICKA DPS SETUP ! Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain.
Necropotence is very very very good for some builds, Scathing mage is so OP with some builds. Netch can be so good on mSorc.
The all difference between this sets is around 1% to 6% ! That's all !
If, BSW deserves a nerf, why not for the other good sets ?
Netch is OP
"Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain".
This post..... it is wrong on so many levels xD
Really, show me how am I wrong =D ? I am listening =D
For optimal damage a sorc uses double inferno staves. With that in mind you only have 2 abilites (3 in execute) that deal shock damage: Liquid Lightning and Force Pulse and Mages' Wrath. 400 spell damage to shock damage from Netch isn't affected by modifiers like Sorcery buffs and the Expert Mage passive. 400 spell damage is around 5-7% damage increase to those 3 abilities, which is basically insignificant. Liquid Lightning is around 15%+ total damage in a fight and the shock portion of Force Pulse is around 4% while Mage's Wrath varies but its still around 10% max. So with Netch you're increasing roughly 31% of you damage by 5-7%. On top of that the 4pc boni are inferior: you trade a spell crit bonus for a health bonus which is a loss of DPS once again. So BSW gives you around 7-9% damage increase to ALL your abilities, including Frags (50k+ dmg usually), Curse, Light Attacks (up to 10% of total damage), Blockade and your ultimates. At this point if you don't see where you're wrong @Patouf then there's not much I can do for you.
I say some build (which is not the best I agree with that) not your build or meta build. First, double lightning staff, then you forgot pet then you forgot i mentioned heavy attack, then do not use force pulse. Sorry, but you are not open minded. Cheers </3Ruined Laggy Broken GameSithis & Psijic OrderSithis and spacetime. From nothing to everything.Dark, Aurbis, Aetherius-Oblivion, Mundus, Nirn, Tamriel. Dark again, something else.Dark is categorical, the absolute zero.VØID0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Otherlol, anyone who farmed CoA for weeks on end is obviously going to say no...
I think one thing that might help is if those other sets that add "400+ damage to your X abilities" actually added that amount to your spell/weapon damage pools rather than a flat amount calculated as extra damage.
BSW is superior because not only is it more spell damage, but since it is also added to your spell damage stat it gets all the extra +% bonuses for even more spell damage than those other sets.1 -
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✭✭OtherGive simular sets to stamina. Make everyone gain progress feeling in the game with constant dps increase, and balance it with new content instead of nerfs and adding more health.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭✭✭NoI don't think PvE stuff needs to nerfed just because it's good.
If it becomes "game-breaking", then balance as necessary. But don't nerf it just because the dps meter toting stat-nerds all use it as a "go-to" set for PvE.2 -
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✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »And the nerf mdk threads start
No.
Don't derail my thread. I'm actually trying to gauge the opinion of the forum community to figure out where people stand on this particular idea.
It's not a derail it's the truth a nerf to this set is a huge nerf to mdk in pvp
Again, no.
Magicka DK is the singular class spec that would never feel a difference if the proc chance was reduced by 5%, since they apply so many Flame DoTs.
They'd do just as fine in PvP as well as PvE. Other classes would feel it a tiny bit, specifically Mag NB/Sorc.
And if that's considered a "huge nerf" to Mag DKs there is nothing in the game that could ever help you play well tbh,
Again no when did you say no to me the first time? And ppl are clearly against this look at ur damn poll
For different reasons lmao. This poll is PvE-oriented as well.
No one is crying "huge nerf" to Mag Dks except you. xD
DK has been nerfed already anyway so it won't happen. Standard has taken out some huge damage and Skoria has lost out on hitting for over 22K a strike, Grothdar is now trash as it's quite hard to make every tick hit if you're not parked (useless for Vmol twins now) they did gain a good heal for PVP and yay whip got buffed very slightly, tooltip now 10K+ but he's already got his wish with the nerf.psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Most likely given by a stam player by the sounds of it who got rekd by a red glwoingdposdb14_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Yeah
what can you do though.
If people want to keep it as 100% BiS over everything else to justify their grind, even though it's terrible for one set to actually be better than all others and utterly ruin the point of every other Magicka DPS set, then so be it. That's what the forum community wants. I'm surprised by it too but whatevs
I think it's more about the fact we know the sets won't ever be balanced. It's near impossible unless they are all the same. And once everyone sees that a particular set parses better than the others, no matter how small the difference is, then everyone will be running it. A good example of this is IA gear vs Moondancer (from a mag sorc view). The difference is really minimal but if everyone has access to the 2 sets then you will only see moondancer equipped.
I would love to see sets balanced and have a variety of options, but I've been playing mmo's long enough to know that it won't happen, just like I know pvp will never be balanced either.
Give me a break.
IA looks terrible.
Moondancer looks AWESOME.
Moondancer also gives better sustain via Necrotic Orb ticks and more Max Magicka resource and minimally more damage over IA
Moondancer is legitamately better and more awesome (the important part) than IA..... plus with Homestead nerfing damage based off Crit, Moondancer is easily better now by a larger (still small) margin.
There are many benefits. I'd run Moondancer even if it was slightly worse than IA based strictly off the appearance.OrphanHelgen wrote: »Give simular sets to stamina. Make everyone gain progress feeling in the game with constant dps increase, and balance it with new content instead of nerfs and adding more health.
Briarheart is pretty similar imo, the 5th perk stacks with WD buffs / pots / brutality etc and makes anything spinning and winning pretty much unkillable with enough adds / trash. Only has a 5s cooldown. hugely overlooked set for a very long time.
Procs off anything too, hail and hurricane pretty much guarantees it.
Just unsure if Sharp daggers exist of not.PC Master Race
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✭✭Yes - just nerf it somehowIzakiBrotherSs wrote: »BSW IS NOT A BiS FOR EVERY MAGICKA DPS SETUP ! Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain.
Necropotence is very very very good for some builds, Scathing mage is so OP with some builds. Netch can be so good on mSorc.
The all difference between this sets is around 1% to 6% ! That's all !
If, BSW deserves a nerf, why not for the other good sets ?
Netch is OP
"Stop listening, reading, watching sometimes use your brain".
This post..... it is wrong on so many levels xD
Really, show me how am I wrong =D ? I am listening =D
For optimal damage a sorc uses double inferno staves. With that in mind you only have 2 abilites (3 in execute) that deal shock damage: Liquid Lightning and Force Pulse and Mages' Wrath. 400 spell damage to shock damage from Netch isn't affected by modifiers like Sorcery buffs and the Expert Mage passive. 400 spell damage is around 5-7% damage increase to those 3 abilities, which is basically insignificant. Liquid Lightning is around 15%+ total damage in a fight and the shock portion of Force Pulse is around 4% while Mage's Wrath varies but its still around 10% max. So with Netch you're increasing roughly 31% of you damage by 5-7%. On top of that the 4pc boni are inferior: you trade a spell crit bonus for a health bonus which is a loss of DPS once again. So BSW gives you around 7-9% damage increase to ALL your abilities, including Frags (50k+ dmg usually), Curse, Light Attacks (up to 10% of total damage), Blockade and your ultimates. At this point if you don't see where you're wrong @Patouf then there's not much I can do for you.
I say some build (which is not the best I agree with that) not your build or meta build. First, double lightning staff, then you forgot pet then you forgot i mentioned heavy attack, then do not use force pulse. Sorry, but you are not open minded. Cheers </3
So you're saying this in a thread that was made to talk about BiS sets and setups... Go talk about your "open minded" builds elsewhere. Here we are discussing the fact that 1 set largely outperforms other sets in a PvE trials setting where everyone aims at getting the highest efficiency, so basically, using your wording, this thread doesn't have a place for "non-meta" builds.
By using Shock Blockade you're losing 30% damage on that ability alone (20% birning, which is always up due to BSW and Engulfing Flames).
If you're trying to do a heavy attack build which are perfectly viable btw, there are FAR better options than Netch. Netch is only viable for questing.@ Izaki #PCEU
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xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭NoImo it doesn't need a nerf but if it does for sure not the proc chance. The only thing that would happen is mag DKs getting even further ahead of everybody else. For a DK the chance could be 5% and they still would have 60+% uptime. Touching the proc chance would just make the while thing worse instead of accomplishing something good.Member of HODOR
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Lamiai✭✭✭✭NoI don't even use the set but I don't think it needs to be nerfed, it's been said enough on this thread too many calls for nerfs. Let it be.R.I.P patch 1.5 ~ Never Forget.0 -
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✭✭Yes - just nerf it somehowDRXHarbinger wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »And the nerf mdk threads start
No.
Don't derail my thread. I'm actually trying to gauge the opinion of the forum community to figure out where people stand on this particular idea.
It's not a derail it's the truth a nerf to this set is a huge nerf to mdk in pvp
Again, no.
Magicka DK is the singular class spec that would never feel a difference if the proc chance was reduced by 5%, since they apply so many Flame DoTs.
They'd do just as fine in PvP as well as PvE. Other classes would feel it a tiny bit, specifically Mag NB/Sorc.
And if that's considered a "huge nerf" to Mag DKs there is nothing in the game that could ever help you play well tbh,
Again no when did you say no to me the first time? And ppl are clearly against this look at ur damn poll
For different reasons lmao. This poll is PvE-oriented as well.
No one is crying "huge nerf" to Mag Dks except you. xD
DK has been nerfed already anyway so it won't happen. Standard has taken out some huge damage and Skoria has lost out on hitting for over 22K a strike, Grothdar is now trash as it's quite hard to make every tick hit if you're not parked (useless for Vmol twins now) they did gain a good heal for PVP and yay whip got buffed very slightly, tooltip now 10K+ but he's already got his wish with the nerf.psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Most likely given by a stam player by the sounds of it who got rekd by a red glwoingdposdb14_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Yeah what can you do though.
If people want to keep it as 100% BiS over everything else to justify their grind, even though it's terrible for one set to actually be better than all others and utterly ruin the point of every other Magicka DPS set, then so be it. That's what the forum community wants. I'm surprised by it too but whatevs
I think it's more about the fact we know the sets won't ever be balanced. It's near impossible unless they are all the same. And once everyone sees that a particular set parses better than the others, no matter how small the difference is, then everyone will be running it. A good example of this is IA gear vs Moondancer (from a mag sorc view). The difference is really minimal but if everyone has access to the 2 sets then you will only see moondancer equipped.
I would love to see sets balanced and have a variety of options, but I've been playing mmo's long enough to know that it won't happen, just like I know pvp will never be balanced either.
Give me a break.
IA looks terrible.
Moondancer looks AWESOME.
Moondancer also gives better sustain via Necrotic Orb ticks and more Max Magicka resource and minimally more damage over IA
Moondancer is legitamately better and more awesome (the important part) than IA..... plus with Homestead nerfing damage based off Crit, Moondancer is easily better now by a larger (still small) margin.
There are many benefits. I'd run Moondancer even if it was slightly worse than IA based strictly off the appearance.OrphanHelgen wrote: »Give simular sets to stamina. Make everyone gain progress feeling in the game with constant dps increase, and balance it with new content instead of nerfs and adding more health.
Briarheart is pretty similar imo, the 5th perk stacks with WD buffs / pots / brutality etc and makes anything spinning and winning pretty much unkillable with enough adds / trash. Only has a 5s cooldown. hugely overlooked set for a very long time.
Procs off anything too, hail and hurricane pretty much guarantees it.
Just unsure if Sharp daggers exist of not.
Grothdarr is still BiS though. Its far, very far, from trash...
Btw that guy is in our guild and he mains 3 magicka characters xD and he is right about what he said...
Briarheart... I still can't believe you thought I was using Briarheart the other day on my stamblade xD It just sucks, compared to say TFS, NMG or even TBS. The heal (500 health per crit... Really?) and the cooldown on the proc that doesn't give an insane amount of stats just makes the set trash pretty much...@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭NoBuff Julianos and hundings rage to give 400sd/wd at gold.
Buff automaton/netch/spider/ysgramor/silks to give 500 sd/wd at gold.
Buff scathing mage to have equal sd and proc chance to bsw
Done. Balance.
And before somebody says "waaaaaa power creep waaaaaaaaa pve gets to easy waaaaaaa", trial groups will only take players with 25-30k solo dps for vmol. Good luck getting that julianos/hundings/automaton/netch/spider/silks
Some might get that with scathing, but just looking at the numbers, bsw gives more, so make the 2 sets equal stat wise. Keep scathing mage for those that don't use flame damage.Edited by mr_wazzabi on February 22, 2017 1:32PMBosmer Stamina NB
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - lower Proc ChanceIzakiBrotherSs wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »And the nerf mdk threads start
No.
Don't derail my thread. I'm actually trying to gauge the opinion of the forum community to figure out where people stand on this particular idea.
It's not a derail it's the truth a nerf to this set is a huge nerf to mdk in pvp
Again, no.
Magicka DK is the singular class spec that would never feel a difference if the proc chance was reduced by 5%, since they apply so many Flame DoTs.
They'd do just as fine in PvP as well as PvE. Other classes would feel it a tiny bit, specifically Mag NB/Sorc.
And if that's considered a "huge nerf" to Mag DKs there is nothing in the game that could ever help you play well tbh,
Again no when did you say no to me the first time? And ppl are clearly against this look at ur damn poll
For different reasons lmao. This poll is PvE-oriented as well.
No one is crying "huge nerf" to Mag Dks except you. xD
DK has been nerfed already anyway so it won't happen. Standard has taken out some huge damage and Skoria has lost out on hitting for over 22K a strike, Grothdar is now trash as it's quite hard to make every tick hit if you're not parked (useless for Vmol twins now) they did gain a good heal for PVP and yay whip got buffed very slightly, tooltip now 10K+ but he's already got his wish with the nerf.psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Most likely given by a stam player by the sounds of it who got rekd by a red glwoingdposdb14_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Yeah what can you do though.
If people want to keep it as 100% BiS over everything else to justify their grind, even though it's terrible for one set to actually be better than all others and utterly ruin the point of every other Magicka DPS set, then so be it. That's what the forum community wants. I'm surprised by it too but whatevs
I think it's more about the fact we know the sets won't ever be balanced. It's near impossible unless they are all the same. And once everyone sees that a particular set parses better than the others, no matter how small the difference is, then everyone will be running it. A good example of this is IA gear vs Moondancer (from a mag sorc view). The difference is really minimal but if everyone has access to the 2 sets then you will only see moondancer equipped.
I would love to see sets balanced and have a variety of options, but I've been playing mmo's long enough to know that it won't happen, just like I know pvp will never be balanced either.
Give me a break.
IA looks terrible.
Moondancer looks AWESOME.
Moondancer also gives better sustain via Necrotic Orb ticks and more Max Magicka resource and minimally more damage over IA
Moondancer is legitamately better and more awesome (the important part) than IA..... plus with Homestead nerfing damage based off Crit, Moondancer is easily better now by a larger (still small) margin.
There are many benefits. I'd run Moondancer even if it was slightly worse than IA based strictly off the appearance.OrphanHelgen wrote: »Give simular sets to stamina. Make everyone gain progress feeling in the game with constant dps increase, and balance it with new content instead of nerfs and adding more health.
Briarheart is pretty similar imo, the 5th perk stacks with WD buffs / pots / brutality etc and makes anything spinning and winning pretty much unkillable with enough adds / trash. Only has a 5s cooldown. hugely overlooked set for a very long time.
Procs off anything too, hail and hurricane pretty much guarantees it.
Just unsure if Sharp daggers exist of not.
Grothdarr is still BiS though. Its far, very far, from trash...
Btw that guy is in our guild and he mains 3 magicka characters xD and he is right about what he said...
Briarheart... I still can't believe you thought I was using Briarheart the other day on my stamblade xD It just sucks, compared to say TFS, NMG or even TBS. The heal (500 health per crit... Really?) and the cooldown on the proc that doesn't give an insane amount of stats just makes the set trash pretty much...
I used to want to run Briarheart on a Stam Sorc with Critical Surge up.
It just wasn't worth it when I tested. Just one of those cool builds to run for fun but not for effectiveness.0 -
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✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »And the nerf mdk threads start
No.
Don't derail my thread. I'm actually trying to gauge the opinion of the forum community to figure out where people stand on this particular idea.
It's not a derail it's the truth a nerf to this set is a huge nerf to mdk in pvp
Again, no.
Magicka DK is the singular class spec that would never feel a difference if the proc chance was reduced by 5%, since they apply so many Flame DoTs.
They'd do just as fine in PvP as well as PvE. Other classes would feel it a tiny bit, specifically Mag NB/Sorc.
And if that's considered a "huge nerf" to Mag DKs there is nothing in the game that could ever help you play well tbh,
Again no when did you say no to me the first time? And ppl are clearly against this look at ur damn poll
For different reasons lmao. This poll is PvE-oriented as well.
No one is crying "huge nerf" to Mag Dks except you. xD
DK has been nerfed already anyway so it won't happen. Standard has taken out some huge damage and Skoria has lost out on hitting for over 22K a strike, Grothdar is now trash as it's quite hard to make every tick hit if you're not parked (useless for Vmol twins now) they did gain a good heal for PVP and yay whip got buffed very slightly, tooltip now 10K+ but he's already got his wish with the nerf.psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Most likely given by a stam player by the sounds of it who got rekd by a red glwoingdposdb14_ESO wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Man, this forum is full of idiots to be fair. It's clearly better then every other set, no one actually cares about balance they just care about how well they can do, and OP sets make you perform better so everyone starts to cry when a non biased view is given
Yeah what can you do though.
If people want to keep it as 100% BiS over everything else to justify their grind, even though it's terrible for one set to actually be better than all others and utterly ruin the point of every other Magicka DPS set, then so be it. That's what the forum community wants. I'm surprised by it too but whatevs
I think it's more about the fact we know the sets won't ever be balanced. It's near impossible unless they are all the same. And once everyone sees that a particular set parses better than the others, no matter how small the difference is, then everyone will be running it. A good example of this is IA gear vs Moondancer (from a mag sorc view). The difference is really minimal but if everyone has access to the 2 sets then you will only see moondancer equipped.
I would love to see sets balanced and have a variety of options, but I've been playing mmo's long enough to know that it won't happen, just like I know pvp will never be balanced either.
Give me a break.
IA looks terrible.
Moondancer looks AWESOME.
Moondancer also gives better sustain via Necrotic Orb ticks and more Max Magicka resource and minimally more damage over IA
Moondancer is legitamately better and more awesome (the important part) than IA..... plus with Homestead nerfing damage based off Crit, Moondancer is easily better now by a larger (still small) margin.
There are many benefits. I'd run Moondancer even if it was slightly worse than IA based strictly off the appearance.OrphanHelgen wrote: »Give simular sets to stamina. Make everyone gain progress feeling in the game with constant dps increase, and balance it with new content instead of nerfs and adding more health.
Briarheart is pretty similar imo, the 5th perk stacks with WD buffs / pots / brutality etc and makes anything spinning and winning pretty much unkillable with enough adds / trash. Only has a 5s cooldown. hugely overlooked set for a very long time.
Procs off anything too, hail and hurricane pretty much guarantees it.
Just unsure if Sharp daggers exist of not.
Grothdarr is still BiS though. Its far, very far, from trash...
Btw that guy is in our guild and he mains 3 magicka characters xD and he is right about what he said...
Briarheart... I still can't believe you thought I was using Briarheart the other day on my stamblade xD It just sucks, compared to say TFS, NMG or even TBS. The heal (500 health per crit... Really?) and the cooldown on the proc that doesn't give an insane amount of stats just makes the set trash pretty much...
Remember grothdar now you have to land everytick. Which on a chaining dk is very hard. All for 15k damage. That's all its worth now. Skoria is guaranteed to land for 15k on a DK. I get grothdar is big aoe but where dps counts on single big boss fights skoria is better imo. Miss one tick or more with grothdar amd it's wasted.
And briarheart yeah sorry got confused as looks the same as bladecloak. But use it in a pack in sanctum or AA with hurricane surge and this and you won't die. The heals stack up. So 10 adds is a 6k heal and there is no cooldown on the heal. Any crit is a heal with it. Closest thing to bsw on a stamplayer.PC Master Race
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - lower Proc Chancemr_wazzabi wrote: »Buff Julianos and hundings rage to give 400sd/wd at gold.
Buff automaton/netch/spider/ysgramor/silks to give 500 sd/wd at gold.
Buff scathing mage to have equal sd and proc chance to bsw
Done. Balance.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes - just nerf it somehowIt is funny how in order to stay competitive in PvP you need to use a proc - set that you grind for weeks or even months. So in the end you can say..
" I am the best in PvP because I was LUCKY to get proper gear so now I can be LUCKY again so the proc - gear will make the job done"
xD
Don't get me wrong.. RNG is a part of every competitive game, but... in eso PvP it is 90% The rest is skill & experience.
I am getting a feeling it should be completely way around (so even if you have a worst gear ever you could still be able to defeat a player with better gear, by using "skill" (your skill, not your character) and experience.
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