Are Blazpler tanks a myth to PvErs?

Baconlad · February 2017

And the "cant cast if ur oom you dont have the mag/ mag regen to cast anything"...is BS the only thing i MAY struggle with is blocking occasionally, which with all the stam return options i dont feel like would be that big of an issue. Also magic regen got a huge buff with mag steal, so that puts me at over 3500 mag regen with focus. Trust me, if im oom im only oom for a second before my shield can be cast again...and then how long before i can sysergize again with another shards? Regen is not an issue....

Koensol · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Lets see some videos of DKs SOLO tanking mob packs in trials...see how far they get, start with normal then go to vet, see what happens. Then do it on an optimized blazeplar.

What youll see is the templar will do LOADS of damage, the DK will take roughly a year to finish first mob pack. I calculated 30k DPS. Spread 30k DPS throught a hypothetical 12 man trials thats roughly 2k a second more to each member in group. You guys keep bringing up ult gen, but if im bringing agressive horns at maybe 20% slower timeframe...your telling me that 20ish% less up time on agressive is greater than my 30k dps added to raid? I....im still putting out warhorns, adding to the sysergy pool with my own shards, and giving a (rather weak mind you) purifying light (ult every six seconds i believe for casting) i mean...i understand meta DK, but can we get somone with a trials group to run one on all vet rials and see what happens? Lets get some vids aswell. With all the leetism in here i KNOW there are players who can post tests here...lets break the meta instead of talking numbers. Maybe get a blazeplar that knows what hes doing and not a blazeplar noob like OP or myself for trials...lls for the sake of shutting down this thread

For the sake of shutting down this thread... Haha. Dude. The last post on this thread was from january 20th.

Mettaricana · February 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

iAmLife wrote: »

They ain't gooona doo fooooooken nooootin. (C.Mcgregor, 2016)

The last stamsorc I dueled thought the same until my blazing shield whacked him for 20K.

Yeah but that's a duel and not PvE.

Either way the fact that the blazpler tank can do damage whilst maintaining aggro is a fact not a debate. With the right sets one can achieve 80K health and have enough sustain. The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like PvErs are against blazpler tanks in trials simply because they're in denial that they can fulfill the role whilst doing damage. It goes against the dogma that a tank shouldn't do any damage. A fair general assumption but its not a hard fast rule. Theres exceptions in a diverse game such as this. If a tank can hit a boss with a 20K blazing shield (which she has done) why the fuss? I've done the trials on normal with no problems.

Gimme sets amd race needed I have a templar I maxed and stopped using in 1.3 and she could use some 80k hp love

Parafrost · February 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

So...... I noticed someone familiar asking for players to join a group for veteran Hel Raa. I've just made the finishing touches to my Blazpler tank and whispered that I'd join on my tank. Silly me though thought that I could test out my new tank seeing how she's tanked most of the vet dungeons. They invited me and asked me to solo tank the trial which i was naturally a little worried about. I asked the group leader if my brother could join on his tank. However... the group decided they only wanted 1 tank to favour DPS. When I told them that another tank would be fine because my Blazpler can do alot of damage aslong as she's got agro none of them believed me and basically said that if I can do damage I ain't no tank. I use taunts and can take ALOT of damage. Is it just these pee brains or are PvErs generaly skeptical of the value of a blazpler tank in group content? From what I gather there's alot of players that think the blazpler is niched to PVP alone.

Tanking is not about having a high health pool. Anything over 35k is already too high as that means you have low stamina to block, and on the warrior fight if u let go of block for 1 second you will die. Dks make better tanks cause they can hold block and get stam back where as a templar can't regain stam and sorc tanks have to use dark deal to get stam back, which means they have to stop blocking, and that leads to them getting killed. I have never seen a successful blazeplar tank in vet hel ra that make it past the 1st boss.

DschiPeunt · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Lets see some videos of DKs SOLO tanking mob packs in trials...see how far they get, start with normal then go to vet, see what happens. Then do it on an optimized blazeplar.

What youll see is the templar will do LOADS of damage, the DK will take roughly a year to finish first mob pack. I calculated 30k DPS. Spread 30k DPS throught a hypothetical 12 man trials thats roughly 2k a second more to each member in group. You guys keep bringing up ult gen, but if im bringing agressive horns at maybe 20% slower timeframe...your telling me that 20ish% less up time on agressive is greater than my 30k dps added to raid? I....im still putting out warhorns, adding to the sysergy pool with my own shards, and giving a (rather weak mind you) purifying light (ult every six seconds i believe for casting) i mean...i understand meta DK, but can we get somone with a trials group to run one on all vet rials and see what happens? Lets get some vids aswell. With all the leetism in here i KNOW there are players who can post tests here...lets break the meta instead of talking numbers. Maybe get a blazeplar that knows what hes doing and not a blazeplar noob like OP or myself for trials...lls for the sake of shutting down this thread

First: You revived this thread for no reason.
Second: "break the meta"... as some people have pointed out numerous times, meta isn't created in some sort of illuminati groups, but from what works best. If blazeplars would be the best option, some groups would run it. We do the same with our DDs. There's a reason, why no serious top-tier group has a stamina templar in their group. That's not some conspiracy going on, but the simple fact, that stamplars don't work with the current meta.

kylewwefan · February 2017

I saw a blazing shield tank in HelRa pug group. Wish I could say it worked, but the guy was having a lot of sustain issues, and dying. First boss, then the welwas....that was real good indication there that it wasn't going to work. Couldn't stay alive on the last boss.

He was very frustrated and ready to respec the toon into something else.

He had like 46k health. I think may have been better to put some into Stam and be a stam Templar tank that can use blazing shield because.

Maybe one day they'll buff something or change how things are mitigated. Then it could work, but right now it's not good enough for HelRa. Maybe it works better in the other trials?

Baconlad · February 2017

Oooo then stam poisons too. Saweet. You guys have encouraged me. Comence ebon armory farm...im building a vet trials blazeplar...im doing it.

all of you naysayers need to say this...do it with me CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. You think the build doesnt work, build one the best way you can and PROVE IT since those of us who say it might work arent really of means to do so. As in we are mainly pugs...and no one trusts a pug

Parafrost · February 2017

kylewwefan wrote: »

I saw a blazing shield tank in HelRa pug group. Wish I could say it worked, but the guy was having a lot of sustain issues, and dying. First boss, then the welwas....that was real good indication there that it wasn't going to work. Couldn't stay alive on the last boss.

He was very frustrated and ready to respec the toon into something else.

He had like 46k health. I think may have been better to put some into Stam and be a stam Templar tank that can use blazing shield because.

Maybe one day they'll buff something or change how things are mitigated. Then it could work, but right now it's not good enough for HelRa. Maybe it works better in the other trials?

If he is having sustain issues then hes not really a good tank lol. Dks make better tanks cause they mitigate more dmg and has a shield for the whole group to use while also having more sustain. That 5k-6k shield goes a long way for hard mode trials. The only time a tank should ever need a shard is for the synergy with alkosh. DKs just synergize well with the group.

Parafrost · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

And the "cant cast if ur oom you dont have the mag/ mag regen to cast anything"...is BS the only thing i MAY struggle with is blocking occasionally, which with all the stam return options i dont feel like would be that big of an issue. Also magic regen got a huge buff with mag steal, so that puts me at over 3500 mag regen with focus. Trust me, if im oom im only oom for a second before my shield can be cast again...and then how long before i can sysergize again with another shards? Regen is not an issue....

Tank the warrior w/o dying then you are a true tank.

rustic_potato · February 2017

Credits to - @Bowser

idk · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Lets see some videos of DKs SOLO tanking mob packs in trials...see how far they get, start with normal then go to vet, see what happens. Then do it on an optimized blazeplar.

What youll see is the templar will do LOADS of damage, the DK will take roughly a year to finish first mob pack. I calculated 30k DPS. Spread 30k DPS throught a hypothetical 12 man trials thats roughly 2k a second more to each member in group. You guys keep bringing up ult gen, but if im bringing agressive horns at maybe 20% slower timeframe...your telling me that 20ish% less up time on agressive is greater than my 30k dps added to raid? I....im still putting out warhorns, adding to the sysergy pool with my own shards, and giving a (rather weak mind you) purifying light (ult every six seconds i believe for casting) i mean...i understand meta DK, but can we get somone with a trials group to run one on all vet rials and see what happens? Lets get some vids aswell. With all the leetism in here i KNOW there are players who can post tests here...lets break the meta instead of talking numbers. Maybe get a blazeplar that knows what hes doing and not a blazeplar noob like OP or myself for trials...lls for the sake of shutting down this thread

First you necro a dead thread. Then your pinnacle example of blazeplar trial tanking is trash mobs.

Let's talk 4 axes and maybe more if the group has low dps. Your stam for that? I'd like to see a video of you tanking those axes.

4 welwas in vHRC.

Nothing to repent there. With a small stam pool you get less from shards.

All while a skilled DK can go without shards in either of the fights I mentioned.

DschiPeunt · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Oooo then stam poisons too. Saweet. You guys have encouraged me. Comence ebon armory farm...im building a vet trials blazeplar...im doing it.

all of you naysayers need to say this...do it with me CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. You think the build doesnt work, build one the best way you can and PROVE IT since those of us who say it might work arent really of means to do so. As in we are mainly pugs...and no one trusts a pug

If you make a claim, the burden of proof false to you. We don't need to make our tanks build a blazeplar tank, because you think it is good.
Proof it with your own group or deliver some convincing maths.

Oompuh · February 2017

Dear god, who revived this thread. KILL IT FAST (like a templar tank in hard mode trials)

rustic_potato · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Lets see some videos of DKs SOLO tanking mob packs in trials...see how far they get, start with normal then go to vet, see what happens. Then do it on an optimized blazeplar.

What youll see is the templar will do LOADS of damage, the DK will take roughly a year to finish first mob pack. I calculated 30k DPS. Spread 30k DPS throught a hypothetical 12 man trials thats roughly 2k a second more to each member in group. You guys keep bringing up ult gen, but if im bringing agressive horns at maybe 20% slower timeframe...your telling me that 20ish% less up time on agressive is greater than my 30k dps added to raid? I....im still putting out warhorns, adding to the sysergy pool with my own shards, and giving a (rather weak mind you) purifying light (ult every six seconds i believe for casting) i mean...i understand meta DK, but can we get somone with a trials group to run one on all vet rials and see what happens? Lets get some vids aswell. With all the leetism in here i KNOW there are players who can post tests here...lets break the meta instead of talking numbers. Maybe get a blazeplar that knows what hes doing and not a blazeplar noob like OP or myself for trials...lls for the sake of shutting down this thread

ROFL.. This is the most hilarious thing i have seen in the forums for a while. When you can provide 5k shields to half your raid while wearing ebon, alkosh and tanking the Warrior HM without dying I'll accept that Potatoplar tanks can work.. Till then don't make such outrageous claims..

idk · February 2017

rustic_potato wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Lets see some videos of DKs SOLO tanking mob packs in trials...see how far they get, start with normal then go to vet, see what happens. Then do it on an optimized blazeplar.

What youll see is the templar will do LOADS of damage, the DK will take roughly a year to finish first mob pack. I calculated 30k DPS. Spread 30k DPS throught a hypothetical 12 man trials thats roughly 2k a second more to each member in group. You guys keep bringing up ult gen, but if im bringing agressive horns at maybe 20% slower timeframe...your telling me that 20ish% less up time on agressive is greater than my 30k dps added to raid? I....im still putting out warhorns, adding to the sysergy pool with my own shards, and giving a (rather weak mind you) purifying light (ult every six seconds i believe for casting) i mean...i understand meta DK, but can we get somone with a trials group to run one on all vet rials and see what happens? Lets get some vids aswell. With all the leetism in here i KNOW there are players who can post tests here...lets break the meta instead of talking numbers. Maybe get a blazeplar that knows what hes doing and not a blazeplar noob like OP or myself for trials...lls for the sake of shutting down this thread

ROFL.. This is the most hilarious thing i have seen in the forums for a while. When you can provide 5k shields to half your raid while wearing ebon, alkosh and tanking the Warrior HM without dying I'll accept that Potatoplar tanks can work.. Till then don't make such outrageous claims..

Exactly. I asked @Baconlad to provide videos of him tanking the late axes.

rustic_potato · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Lets see some videos of DKs SOLO tanking mob packs in trials...see how far they get, start with normal then go to vet, see what happens. Then do it on an optimized blazeplar.

What youll see is the templar will do LOADS of damage, the DK will take roughly a year to finish first mob pack. I calculated 30k DPS. Spread 30k DPS throught a hypothetical 12 man trials thats roughly 2k a second more to each member in group. You guys keep bringing up ult gen, but if im bringing agressive horns at maybe 20% slower timeframe...your telling me that 20ish% less up time on agressive is greater than my 30k dps added to raid? I....im still putting out warhorns, adding to the sysergy pool with my own shards, and giving a (rather weak mind you) purifying light (ult every six seconds i believe for casting) i mean...i understand meta DK, but can we get somone with a trials group to run one on all vet rials and see what happens? Lets get some vids aswell. With all the leetism in here i KNOW there are players who can post tests here...lets break the meta instead of talking numbers. Maybe get a blazeplar that knows what hes doing and not a blazeplar noob like OP or myself for trials...lls for the sake of shutting down this thread

ROFL.. This is the most hilarious thing i have seen in the forums for a while. When you can provide 5k shields to half your raid while wearing ebon, alkosh and tanking the Warrior HM without dying I'll accept that Potatoplar tanks can work.. Till then don't make such outrageous claims..

Exactly. I asked @Baconfat79 to provide videos of him tanking the late axes.

I think you meant @Baconlad..

Baconlad · February 2017

Man, you guys are brutal.

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Dr.NRG · February 2017

I'm sure you could do fine in a vet trial until the last boss but then ur screwed. I have seen so many dk tanks with perfect gear and set ups fail miserably cause it comes down to skill and boss knowledge. So if you know ur sht you could tank vet trials on any class but at the last bosses it really comes down to hard stats and skills your class provide. The only class that does that is a Dk. Try to find beginner groups, off tank and guard at the last boss if you wanna have fun with your build but besides that run a dk and do not go for any dmg buids but rather support through ulti gen, buffs, debuffs and so on you know the drill...

idk · February 2017

Baconlad wrote: »

Man, you guys are brutal.

@Baconlad not brutal. Realistic.

idk · February 2017

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

So did the OP ever post that video to prove that the Blazpler build will get rekt in a minute?

Nope.

IronCrystal · February 2017

Dr.NRG wrote: »

I'm sure you could do fine in a vet trial until the last boss but then ur screwed. I have seen so many dk tanks with perfect gear and set ups fail miserably cause it comes down to skill and boss knowledge. So if you know ur sht you could tank vet trials on any class but at the last bosses it really comes down to hard stats and skills your class provide. The only class that does that is a Dk. Try to find beginner groups, off tank and guard at the last boss if you wanna have fun with your build but besides that run a dk and do not go for any dmg buids but rather support through ulti gen, buffs, debuffs and so on you know the drill...

If you build them right, any class can tank a vet trial (not as well as dk but it will clear). The issue here is specifically blazeplar tanks. They are not suited or specced to tank a vet trial.

UppGRAYxDD · February 2017

Maybe not so much if the radiant aura magicka steal aggos mobs...

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clocksstoppe · February 2017

OP, just continue to play your templar tank as you want and tell people who whine about it to shut up and *** off. Tank isn't a complex role and the people here saying "templar gives no utility, only DK does" have literally no idea what they are talking about. Just ignore meta slaves and do what you want. As long as you don't die and don't take too much damage and cast war horn as a tank, your job is done.

Jimbullbee85 · February 2017

Tried Hel Ra with Blazpler on Veteran. We got through but my tank did struggle with the final boss. The dps won it for us. If the build could work id eed to put some more numbers into stam regen and block cost I think.

Jimbullbee85 · February 2017

Mettaricana wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

iAmLife wrote: »

They ain't gooona doo fooooooken nooootin. (C.Mcgregor, 2016)

The last stamsorc I dueled thought the same until my blazing shield whacked him for 20K.

Yeah but that's a duel and not PvE.

Either way the fact that the blazpler tank can do damage whilst maintaining aggro is a fact not a debate. With the right sets one can achieve 80K health and have enough sustain. The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like PvErs are against blazpler tanks in trials simply because they're in denial that they can fulfill the role whilst doing damage. It goes against the dogma that a tank shouldn't do any damage. A fair general assumption but its not a hard fast rule. Theres exceptions in a diverse game such as this. If a tank can hit a boss with a 20K blazing shield (which she has done) why the fuss? I've done the trials on normal with no problems.

Gimme sets amd race needed I have a templar I maxed and stopped using in 1.3 and she could use some 80k hp love

Would be great if you could try it. She's wearing 4 piece green pact armour with shield. Plague doctors sword, jewelary and waiste. Valkyn skoria head (infused) and Bogdan shoulder (infused). The rest of the smaller pieces are in divines, larger in infused all glyphed out with health.

Jimbullbee85 · February 2017

clocksstoppe wrote: »

OP, just continue to play your templar tank as you want and tell people who whine about it to shut up and *** off. Tank isn't a complex role and the people here saying "templar gives no utility, only DK does" have literally no idea what they are talking about. Just ignore meta slaves and do what you want. As long as you don't die and don't take too much damage and cast war horn as a tank, your job is done.

Thank you

I've had to learn to ignore them. I turn into something worse than them when I don't hah

kylewwefan · February 2017

I'm glad you got the chance to try it out jimbullbee! Also glad you were able to complete it and see what changes you could make to work better for you.

Parafrost · February 2017

I've seen non blaze plar tanks tank vmol and vhrc. Hence "non" blazeplar tanks. Blazeplar tanks are meat shields with high health and low stamina so they are meant for pvp, not pve.