Is Homestead too much of a grind?

Gwynara · February 2017

Very grindy but I like it the way it is. Its supposed to take months.

I do feel like I am falling behind with my home due to limited time playing the game (and I want to make everything by myself from scratch). But in the meantime I visit my friends houses instead

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

I wish I could at least craft heartwood or regulus form "raw" materials...

Jaeysa · February 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I wish I could at least craft heartwood or regulus form "raw" materials...

That would be amazing and solve something like 75% of my problems.

Stania · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I wish I could at least craft heartwood or regulus form "raw" materials...

Yeah, get them from refining materials and benefit from our crafting passive skills pretty much like tempers and trait stones.

leothedino · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

I wanted to love it so much, I really did. I dreamt of furnishing multiple homes... but 8 regulas/heartwood after 100's of nodes of farming. Nah, bring on Morrowind! WOOOO!

Loves_guars · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

It killed all my love for the game actually.

Preyfar · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

I want to decorate my house. I feel like I'm being punished for wanting to do so. This entire free DLC is cosmetic, but it's punishingly so.

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

It killed all my love for the game actually.

I'm partly with you. I hate grinding, and for a game that's promoted as a casual MMO that people can join in the entire system behind it is oddly punishing.

alpehans · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

Since it's mostly cosmetic the grind is to big. If it had more functionality it would be fine.

MLGProPlayer · February 2017

Not much of grind, I enjoy the current level of farming required

Zypheran wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

My large house is fully decorated, a week and a half after the patch went live. Sure it was expensive (around 1.5 million in total), but there wasn't much grinding. I literally just bought wahetever I needed from guild traders.

I wish I had that sort of gold to spend on housing. I suspect many players don't.
But if you do have this gold and don't mind paying the prices then kudos!!
If I had the gold to avoid the months of grinding then I too would take this option

I saved up that money (2.5 million) in about 3 weeks. I had 500k in savings when I started, so ended up with around 3 million.

If all you make is 50k an hour farming (which is on the low end), it would take you just 20 hours to farm a million gold. That means you'd be at a million gold after a month if all you did was farm for an hour every weekday.

If you employ more efficient farming methods, you can cut that time in half.

But like I said, the cost of furnishings, blueprints, and mats will be much lower in a few weeks, so you likely won't even need a million gold.

It'll be even quicker on console where tempers cost 3x what they do on PC. You can become a millionaire there in just a couple hours. Not sure if the rest of the economy is adjusted too though.

10-20 hours of grinding for something (and probably much less in a few weeks) isn't a terrible grind at all.

Loves_guars · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

Preyfar wrote: »

I'm partly with you. I hate grinding, and for a game that's promoted as a casual MMO that people can join in the entire system behind it is oddly punishing.

I don't know about you guys, but I already grinded (ground?) HOURS like the fellow above, to prepare for homstead.
Housing was my number one wanted feature, so I got my crafter ready the best I could for a higher chance in master writs, so look at all that I did:

*Grind for gold
*Grind for mats to do writs
*Grind for Motifs (this was the most painful, because the RNG is... abysmal! surprise surprise)

It took me more than one month. In the meanwhile I wasnt' able to do any of the things that I LIKE, i.e. dungeon, etc.
But hey, all for my beloved housing right?

WRONG. It was all just for another grind: the new mats, the laughable vouchers (my previous grind seems useless since I'm not getting any master writ), and the blueprints.

These days I just log in to do the infamous daily writs, after that I'm so mad that I use ALT+F4 to quit the game and go do something else with my life.

TheRealPotoroo · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

My large house is fully decorated, a week and a half after the patch went live. Sure it was expensive (around 1.5 million in total), but there wasn't much grinding. I literally just bought wahetever I needed from guild traders.

I wish I had that sort of gold to spend on housing. I suspect many players don't.
But if you do have this gold and don't mind paying the prices then kudos!!
If I had the gold to avoid the months of grinding then I too would take this option

I saved up that money (2.5 million) in about 3 weeks. I had 500k in savings when I started, so ended up with around 3 million.

If all you make is 50k an hour farming (which is on the low end), it would take you just 20 hours to farm a million gold. That means you'd be at a million gold after a month if all you did was farm for an hour every weekday.

If you employ more efficient farming methods, you can cut that time in half.

But like I said, the cost of furnishings, blueprints, and mats will be much lower in a few weeks, so you likely won't even need a million gold.

It'll be even quicker on console where tempers cost 3x what they do on PC. You can become a millionaire there in just a couple hours. Not sure if the rest of the economy is adjusted too though.

10-20 hours of grinding for something (and probably much less in a few weeks) isn't a terrible grind at all.

Precisely how and what are you farming to supposedly get such returns?

Zypheran · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

alpehans wrote: »

Since it's mostly cosmetic the grind is to big. If it had more functionality it would be fine.

I very much agree with this.
Grinding 3months for a precise Maelstrom weapon is one thing but based on the current drop rates for mats and writs its going to take the same amount of time for something that is cosmetic. I really don't think ZOS has balanced the degree of grind with the degree of reward.
I know there are some of you that are loved by RNGesus and mats and writs fall into your lap (i'm delighted for those of you who somehow make 1million gold per month and have had enough drops to furnish your house in a week!) but this isn't the case for most people... as many comments on these forums would suggest, for a lot of people, this update consists of hours of boring grind for little or no real reward!

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

Not much of grind, I enjoy the current level of farming required

oh look... another biased poll...... what a surprise.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · February 2017

Very grindy but I like it the way it is. Its supposed to take months.

Is it grindy? Yes. But unlike other grinds in this game, items are BOE and there is a Token System. People should not be complaining about this system big picture.

Now if you want to complain about the bugs (deadly strike) or some of the functionality of the housing, go for it.

nimander99 · February 2017

Very grindy but I like it the way it is. Its supposed to take months.

I'm in between the top 2, it is quite the grind, I spent 4 hours last night only to make 3 sconces and find 4 plans... And that was dedicated 4 hours of looting containers and nodes...

MLGProPlayer · February 2017

Not much of grind, I enjoy the current level of farming required

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

My large house is fully decorated, a week and a half after the patch went live. Sure it was expensive (around 1.5 million in total), but there wasn't much grinding. I literally just bought wahetever I needed from guild traders.

I wish I had that sort of gold to spend on housing. I suspect many players don't.
But if you do have this gold and don't mind paying the prices then kudos!!
If I had the gold to avoid the months of grinding then I too would take this option

I saved up that money (2.5 million) in about 3 weeks. I had 500k in savings when I started, so ended up with around 3 million.

If all you make is 50k an hour farming (which is on the low end), it would take you just 20 hours to farm a million gold. That means you'd be at a million gold after a month if all you did was farm for an hour every weekday.

If you employ more efficient farming methods, you can cut that time in half.

But like I said, the cost of furnishings, blueprints, and mats will be much lower in a few weeks, so you likely won't even need a million gold.

It'll be even quicker on console where tempers cost 3x what they do on PC. You can become a millionaire there in just a couple hours. Not sure if the rest of the economy is adjusted too though.

10-20 hours of grinding for something (and probably much less in a few weeks) isn't a terrible grind at all.

Precisely how and what are you farming to supposedly get such returns?

There are a few ways to make easy money in ESO.

1. You can farm Imperial mobs inside public dungeons:

Alcast made a video on that recently. Basically, go to one of the three imperial public dungeons (Vile Manse, Crimson Cove, or Razak's Wheel) and slaughter all the fast spawning imperials that are standing around. You can easily pull 50k+ an hour using this method, but the downside is that you're fighting over the loot with other players, who will constantly disrupt your rotation.

2. You can farm Spinners or Spriggans gear:

This was my favourite method leading up to the homestead patch. Basically, find a rotation of 3 bosses inside Crimson Cove or Razak's Wheel and kill them over and over again until you get sharpened weapons. Why only three bosses? Because killing more than that triggers the game's internal "loot timer" which means any bosses you kill within the next 5 or so minutes won't drop any loot.

So what do you do while you wait for the bosses to respawn? Kill the imperial mobs that spawn around them! Usually 3 waves of imperial mobs will spawn before your boss rotation resets, so corral and slaughter them. You will earn about 15-20k in gold from just killing the mobs this way, plus another 5-10k from the junk they drop that you can vendor off. You'll also make 10-15k from all the divines/impenetrable gloves and shoulders that the bosses drop. Basically, you will be making around 50k an hour, with the kicker being that you have a chance at getting a rare weapon drop as well. The drops you are looking for are (all sharpened):

Spinners:
- Inferno staff (300k)
- Sword (300k)
- Lightning staff (250k)
- Ice staff (100k)

Spriggans:
- Dagger (400k)
- Sword (150k)
- Axe (150k)
- Greatsword (100k)
- Bow (50k)
- Maul (50k)

These were roughly the values of the items when I was farming them (they have dropped substantially since due to over-farming so do some research before you start farming them). I've gotten most of them to drop.

The downside to this method is that you are reliant on RNG.

3. You can farm nodes:

Make sure to unlock Rapid Maneuver, get some medium armour (preferably something like Fiord and Darkstride which gives you extra movement speed and stamina regeneration) and download the Harvest Map add-on. Download the full map (instructions in URL) that marks all nodes in Tamriel and enable 3D pins which will mark the nodes in-game for you. This isn't necessary but makes things a lot easier. Then just pick a location with a good density of mats (and few people) and go to work. Shoutout goes to a Reddit user who introduced me to this method. The downside here is that you are competing with other players for nodes. However, if you are alone, and you have the proper build, you can rake in 100k+ an hour with this method.

4. You can farm hides:

Find a location with fast spawning "furry" mobs and kill them over and over again. You should be able to farm 800 rubedo hides per hour with no interruptions, but will average around 600 because there will always be someone who shows up and disrupts your rotation. This method is no longer profitable due to the extremely low price of rubedo and dreugh wax. These locations are also infested with bots, who you need to compete with.

5. You can flip stuff:

This is by far the best way to make money. Basically, sit around in zone chat looking for people who are selling big ticket items or things in bulk. Make them an offer that is substantially below market value. If they need the money right away or no one else is offering, they will sell. Then just re-sell the stuff at market value. The downside here is that the method is risky and time consuming, and it requires that you already have money to spend.

It is recommended that you are in at least a few major trading guilds so that you can quickly unload inventory.

kevlarto_ESO · February 2017

Not much of grind, I enjoy the current level of farming required

I wish when people made polls they would always included a I don't care option.

Because I don't care, housing is not needed to play the game just something to, so the grind is ok with me I do a little of it or none at all, there are some people that love the housing and enjoy it that's great, some hate it, guess that's great for them, and some people like myself that just dabble and don't really care.

Tabbycat · February 2017

Very grindy but I like it the way it is. Its supposed to take months.

I think I'd get bored with it pretty fast if I could have everything right away. I'm the type of player that needs a goal to work towards. When I run out of goals, that's when I get bored.

JWKe · February 2017

Not much of grind, I enjoy the current level of farming required

I think its just a big fat gold sink. I am filling up my house rather well... i don't feel much of a grind tbh maybe its just because my expectations are pretty low... and i'm not really trying to beautify my house.

freespirit · February 2017

Not much of grind, I enjoy the current level of farming required

I've totally maxed Daggerfall Overlook and have 500+ items in Serenity Falls........

I would say 75% of those Items I've crafted.

Pick your farm spots for plans and be prepared to buy mats..........

So far loving it!!!

Zypheran · February 2017

Way too much of a grind and I dont like it

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

My large house is fully decorated, a week and a half after the patch went live. Sure it was expensive (around 1.5 million in total), but there wasn't much grinding. I literally just bought wahetever I needed from guild traders.

I wish I had that sort of gold to spend on housing. I suspect many players don't.
But if you do have this gold and don't mind paying the prices then kudos!!
If I had the gold to avoid the months of grinding then I too would take this option

I saved up that money (2.5 million) in about 3 weeks. I had 500k in savings when I started, so ended up with around 3 million.

If all you make is 50k an hour farming (which is on the low end), it would take you just 20 hours to farm a million gold. That means you'd be at a million gold after a month if all you did was farm for an hour every weekday.

If you employ more efficient farming methods, you can cut that time in half.

But like I said, the cost of furnishings, blueprints, and mats will be much lower in a few weeks, so you likely won't even need a million gold.

It'll be even quicker on console where tempers cost 3x what they do on PC. You can become a millionaire there in just a couple hours. Not sure if the rest of the economy is adjusted too though.

10-20 hours of grinding for something (and probably much less in a few weeks) isn't a terrible grind at all.

Precisely how and what are you farming to supposedly get such returns?

There are a few ways to make easy money in ESO.

1. You can farm Imperial mobs inside public dungeons:
Alcast made a video on that recently. Basically, go to one of the three imperial public dungeons (Vile Manse, Crimson Cove, or Razak's Wheel) and slaughter all the fast spawning imperials that are standing around. You can easily pull 50k+ an hour using this method, but the downside is that you're fighting over the loot with other players, who will constantly disrupt your rotation.

2. You can farm Spinners or Spriggans gear:
This was my favourite method leading up to the homestead patch. Basically, find a rotation of 3 bosses inside Crimson Cove or Razak's Wheel and kill them over and over again until you get sharpened weapons. Why only three bosses? Because killing more than that triggers the game's internal "loot timer" which means any bosses you kill within the next 5 or so minutes won't drop any loot.

So what do you do while you wait for the bosses to respawn? Kill the imperial mobs that spawn around them! Usually 3 waves of imperial mobs will spawn before your boss rotation resets, so corral and slaughter them. You will earn about 15-20k in gold from just killing the mobs this way, plus another 5-10k from the junk they drop that you can vendor off. You'll also make 10-15k from all the divines/impenetrable gloves and shoulders that the bosses drop. Basically, you will be making around 50k an hour, with the kicker being that you have a chance at getting a rare weapon drop as well. The drops you are looking for are (all sharpened):

Spinners:
- Inferno staff (300k)
- Sword (300k)
- Lightning staff (250k)
- Ice staff (100k)

Spriggans:
- Dagger (400k)
- Sword (150k)
- Axe (150k)
- Greatsword (100k)
- Bow (50k)
- Maul (50k)

These were roughly the values of the items when I was farming them (they have dropped substantially since due to over-farming so do some research before you start farming them). I've gotten most of them to drop.

The downside to this method is that you are reliant on RNG.

3. You can farm nodes:
Make sure to unlock Rapid Maneuver, get some medium armour (preferably something like Fiord and Darkstride which gives you extra movement speed and stamina regeneration) and download the Harvest Map add-on. Download the full map (instructions in URL) that marks all nodes in Tamriel and enable 3D pins which will mark the nodes in-game for you. This isn't necessary but makes things a lot easier. Then just pick a location with a good density of mats (and few people) and go to work. Shoutout goes to a Reddit user who introduced me to this method. The downside here is that you are competing with other players for nodes. However, if you are alone, and you have the proper build, you can rake in 100k+ an hour with this method.

4. You can farm hides:
Find a location with fast spawning "furry" mobs and kill them over and over again. You should be able to farm 800 rubedo hides per hour with no interruptions, but will average around 600 because there will always be someone who shows up and disrupts your rotation. This method is no longer profitable due to the extremely low price of rubedo and dreugh wax. These locations are also infested with bots, who you need to compete with.

5. You can flip stuff:
This is by far the best way to make money. Basically, sit around in zone chat looking for people who are selling big ticket items or things in bulk. Make them an offer that is substantially below market value. If they need the money right away or no one else is offering, they will sell. Then just re-sell the stuff at market value. The downside here is that the method is risky and time consuming, and it requires that you already have money to spend.

It is recommended that you are in at least a few major trading guilds so that you can quickly unload inventory.

@MLGProPlayer this is awesome... thank you for your input