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Why do people keep saying the Dwemer are extict?
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They moved to a different plane of reality or are where the Deadra are. But they are not dead. I am not talking about spider legs man. The Dwemer race are out there somewhere. Alive.
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Remag_Div✭✭✭✭✭I have a theory they are living on one of the moons. They were really fascinated with space and their ruins always have crazy astronomy diagrams and whatnot.
Wouldn't surprise me they knew Tamriel would be a hellish place to live in the future and decided to get the heck out of there while they could. lol10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jemcrystal wrote: »They moved to a different plane of reality or are where the Deadra are. But they are not dead. I am not talking about spider legs man. The Dwemer race are out there somewhere. Alive.
And what evidence of this do you have?
Evidence shows their King ascended a Tower, they know for a fact he used technology on the heart of lorkhan to try and become a God. We know if you mess this up you cease to exist. We know Dwemer shared telepathic connection implying if one got Zero Summed - all in the Plane would too.
All evidence shows very likely they are extinct and got Zero Summed. MAYBE they became Gods like Sithis Talos and Akatosh, but then they would have more than likely changed something.9 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The Dwemer ceased to exist. There are no bodies or ashes. There is simply nothing. Beyond that, nobody knows what happened to them.
Technically though, they aren't extinct yet. There's still one left roaming around out there somewhere.
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✭I prefer to think of the Dwemer as being snatched up by a Daedric entity on the way to being "Zero Summed;" and not because of pity.
Who's to say Uncle Sheo didn't put them to work, deep in the caves below Mania, constructing the Aether's greatest automatic Cheese Slicer ever? Think of the worthy pursuits into possibilities! Or impossibilities, even better.
The only proof is that they DISAPPEARED, and the mystery will make for a great future story in the franchise, I'd wager.
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✭Jemcrystal wrote: »They moved to a different plane of reality or are where the Deadra are. But they are not dead. I am not talking about spider legs man. The Dwemer race are out there somewhere. Alive.
Allegory brah.
Besides, what you're saying is unconfirmed. Not even Yagrum Bagarn knew exactly where they went or what happened.3 -
iord_stryker✭✭✭between lore books and dialog in morrowind the strongest theory is they are on another plane of existence.
They messed with the heart of lorkhan which was the heart of a god. In game lore says that the moons on nirn were likely what was left of his physical form, after the divines slew him which leads a bit of credit to the gone to the moon theory above.
The devs are likely keeping this one aside for a main elder scrolls game or expansion. The dwemer returning would have a massive impact.3 -
Zoner✭✭✭✭'Extinct' is really dependent on how you see it. There are no dwemer left in tamriel, so from that perspective they are extinct. Having said that though, the snow elves are also supposed to be extinct, yet the dawn guard dlc for Skyrim shows that some are still extant and therefore would be also in the ESO timeline, albeit functionally extinct.
Interestingly, in one of the AD zones there is a museum which has a gleam blossom in it, a flower only found in the forgotten vale (snow elf home) in skyrim. The dialogue states it was a strange flower found in a cave. Falmer may be down the line for this gameNA EP
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✭✭✭✭✭There used to be a weird fan theory I read that states the dwemer became humans in our timeline."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
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That is -One- theory.Jemcrystal wrote: »They moved to a different plane of reality or are where the Deadra are. But they are not dead. I am not talking about spider legs man. The Dwemer race are out there somewhere. Alive.
There are others.
The point is, noone knows. They might be out there, somewhere, having achieved immortality on some other plane of existence. Or they might all perished in the attempt. And noone knows what or why, or will find out in the next millenia or so...
The mystery is what makes it fun!
That is not -exactly- true, as has been mentioned.There are no dwemer left in tamriel...
There is exactly -one- dwemer left.
Yagrum Bagarn who at this point in time almost certainly isn't infected with Corprus yet, thus not the sad bloated creature on a spider walker-shair we meet in TES:Morrowind, and possibly might even show up in ESO:Morrowind as NPC somewhere...
But as a race, they are extinct. As in, not around anymore.
Actually we do know humans were around before the battle of red mountain so that one doesn't hold up... humans pushed the snow elves out of skyrim, forcing them to seek refugee with the dwemer who then mutated them into blind falmer slaves... humans battled the chimer and pushed them into creating the brothers of strife long before they all turned dunmer in the aftermath of the battle at red mountain...There used to be a weird fan theory I read that states the dwemer became humans in our timeline.1 -
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✭OP pics or it didn't happen...
What I mean by that popular phrase is, unless you can provide concrete evidence supporting your opinion, then we are left to assume that they are indeed dead, which is why they are not a playable race.@Duiwel:Join ORDER OF SITHIS We're recruiting! PC EU"Dear Brother. I do not spread rumours. I create them..."0 -
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✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
It is very complicated, with conflicting theories and accounts of what took place, but I'll give you the heavily abridged version:
The Dwemer were embroiled in a war with the Chimer (elves who would later become the Dunmer, or Dark Elves). During the Battle of Red Mountain, basically the climax of the war, the person who for the sake of simplicity we'll call the Dwemer High Priest decided it would be a good idea to tap into the power of a dead god's heart, which they had been using in an attempt to create a new, Dwemer god. It was a last, desperate attempt to win a losing battle.
When the high priest did that, the Dwemer simply weren't. They no longer existed. One second they were in a fierce battle for the survival of their people and the next, nothing. Just a lot of really confused Chimer looking around and scratching their heads. And that is about as clear as it gets with regards to the Dwemer.
In the aftermath, the Chimer who led the battle used the heart to become gods themselves, who came to be known as the Tribunal, which is what led to the Chimer being turned into the Dunmer."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Thanks Glurin! Even your summary is pretty confusing. I mean, how can anybody use a dead god's heart? Why did the Dwemer fail where the Chimer succeeded? How can you create a god out of a dead god's heart? All of these questions come to my mind after reading your short summary. When I am reading wiki instead I don't answer any of my questions I get a dozen more... lolPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
Draqone✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Thanks Glurin! Even your summary is pretty confusing. I mean, how can anybody use a dead god's heart? Why did the Dwemer fail where the Chimer succeeded? How can you create a god out of a dead god's heart? All of these questions come to my mind after reading your short summary. When I am reading wiki instead I don't answer any of my questions I get a dozen more... lol
Play through the original Morrowind then.
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✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Thanks Glurin! Even your summary is pretty confusing. I mean, how can anybody use a dead god's heart? Why did the Dwemer fail where the Chimer succeeded? How can you create a god out of a dead god's heart? All of these questions come to my mind after reading your short summary. When I am reading wiki instead I don't answer any of my questions I get a dozen more... lol
Play through the original Morrowind then.
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CardboardedBox✭✭✭✭I always liked to imagine that they knew their race was doomed, so some large groups of them took their own lives, and had an automated system place their souls into soul gems, and put within the constructs, so they could live on in another way. The spiders were low ranking citizen workers, spheres were middle somewhere. And centurions were very high members of dwarven society.1 -
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✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »I mean, how can anybody use a dead god's heart?
The Dwemer crafted special tools for that. You may have heard the names Keening and Sunder when perusing lore concerning it. The specifics are a little unclear.Seraphayel wrote: »Why did the Dwemer fail where the Chimer succeeded?
Well they were a little distracted at the time what with there being an army on their doorstep trying to stab them in the face and all.
Seraphayel wrote: »How can you create a god out of a dead god's heart?
By putting it in a GIANT DEATH ROBOT of course!
No, seriously. That's what they did."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."5 -
Jonno✭✭✭surly they cant have been Zero Summed as this means the ceased to have ever existed meaning there would be no dwarven ruins or the dwemer spiders and such that they createdPC / EU
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✭I honestly feel this should never be explained in any ES game or ESO DLC. Maybe add more details to it? But if they ever unveil dwemer's fate we would lose all sense of mistery surrounding every dwemer ruin. Keep it a mistery!PC/DC/NAserver
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✭✭✭✭✭luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »I honestly feel this should never be explained in any ES game or ESO DLC. Maybe add more details to it? But if they ever unveil dwemer's fate we would lose all sense of mistery surrounding every dwemer ruin. Keep it a mistery!
I wouldn't mind if they dedicated a single-player game to it, but I don't think ESO's style would let them get into sufficient depth. Also I suspect they came as close to explaining it as they ever plan to with ES:III.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Don't forget Wraithguard, since you can't even hold the other tools without croaking pretty quickly if you are a mere mortal...Seraphayel wrote: »I mean, how can anybody use a dead god's heart?
The Dwemer crafted special tools for that. You may have heard the names Keening and Sunder when perusing lore concerning it. The specifics are a little unclear.
Also, the Dwemer tried to make their whole race immortal or something. As in, using the Heart of Lorkan as power source for dwemer transmutation actross the whole race... (FMA fans will cry out now, seeing where they went so terribly wrong) And as has been mentioned, Kagrenac was not exactly working under ideal conditions at that time, as it was sort of a last ditch attempt to wrest victory from the jaws of defeat...Seraphayel wrote: »Why did the Dwemer fail where the Chimer succeeded?
Well they were a little distracted at the time what with there being an army on their doorstep trying to stab them in the face and all.
The three... just wanted to make themselves gods, after a fashion. They did not even transform themselves, not really, they just created a conduit allowing them to draw on the hearts divine power - a much less involved process. Which would of course be the cause of their eventual undoing once Dargoth Ur revives at the end of the second era... but that is a different story.
Yeah, the dwemer were hardcore fans of steampunk mecha!Seraphayel wrote: »How can you create a god out of a dead god's heart?
By putting it in a GIANT DEATH ROBOT of course!
No, seriously. That's what they did.
But if the lore interests you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-WXrOhoHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ownzBOFG1Hc
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✭✭✭Some believe they were wiped out. Others think they became the skin of Numidium (sp?).
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✭✭✭✭✭I love the mystery that TES lore intentionally maintains. And the fact that several theories are mentioned in lore as well. Who knows? One of the theories is that a dwemer scholar pissed off Azura (in the TES lore book 'Azura and the Box') and, as a result, the Lady of Twilight caused the entire race to basically disappear overnight. Did she miss a few perhaps? Possibly.
The nice thing about a lack of definitive lore answers but plenty of inconclusive clues is that it allows us to role play our own solutions.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0
