Permanent purchasing of crafting bag in Crown Store.

Vipstaakki · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

It's only 12€/month.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2017

This poll shouldn't be called "Permanent purchasing of crafting bag in Crown Store"
It should rather be called "further upgrade of bank storage above the 240 cap but only for crowns"
xD

Taleof2Cities · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

Looking for that "beating the dead horse" meme again ... can't seem to find it ...

method__01 · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

simple,wanna craft items,having large amounts of mats,selling staff?then go for +eso,no way u can do without a bag
i started playing on pc also,my toon maxed inv space in 20 min,you cant play without it the bag is THE value in the game

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be free for unsubscribed players.

Buyer wants to buy low (or get free), seller wants to sell high.

Buyer and seller have antagonistic goals.

From MY point of view as a BUYER, the crafting bag should be free for everyone, I would drop the sub immediately. I wonder how anyone here could vote for any-thing else but "free". Don't we all want advantages for free ?

I understand perfectly that ZOS has a totally different perspective and why they don't and won't make the crafting bag free. But ZOS' perspective is none of my business, really. Or, better said, I don't have enough information to even discuss ZOS' business / monetization options. (Which is what most of you seem to be doing in this thread).

theher0not · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must cost 5000 crowns.

I am fine with it being ESO+ only. But if it ever got added to the crown store I would only consider buying it if it cost 5k or less. If it costs more I would settle with a fully upgraded bank and a banking assistant.

Using the bank works for me right now and I don't even have half the upgrades yet, so once I do get them I'll have more than enough bank space for what I need.

AlexanderDeLarge · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must cost 10000 crowns.

Vipstaakki wrote: »

It's only 12€/month.

But what incentive do I have to buy it if I own the Gold Edition+Hist+Morrowind? I'm not going to pay $15 a month for crafting bag... But I would pay 5,000-10,000 crowns for it. The ball is in ZOS' court.

Until then, I'm more than happy tossing all my materials into the guild bank and/or handing them to crafters directly.

AlexanderDeLarge · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must cost 10000 crowns.

Runs wrote: »

I don't see them doing it for any amount of crowns as someone could just sub till they had enough crowns for it and all dlc then just stop subbing. I could see them adding it as an account upgrade for real world currency, even though that would still be unlikely.

What does it matter? They're getting paid either way and assuming it cost 10,000 crowns, that's 7 months of subscription. Then once they have the crafting bag, you'll have people saying "why bother subbing? I'll just buy the expansion content outright" so they're getting $15-$30 every time they put out content.

It's a good deal for Zenimax either way.

IcyDeadPeople · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

It's the only reason a lot of people subscribe.

AlexanderDeLarge · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must cost 10000 crowns.

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

It's the only reason a lot of people subscribe.

The crafting bag wouldn't be going away for ESO+ members. It just allows me as someone who prefers to buy content to purchase it for $75 worth of crowns. That's a lot of money, money they wouldn't get out of me otherwise considering I don't need anything ESO+ offers. I bought the DLCs. I don't need the XP boost and I buy crowns for whatever cosmetics/content I want in the future.

Tabbycat · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

The crafting bag is their cash cow and they are not going to stop milking it for the players that are too cheap to sub.

Phatmattfu · February 2017

How sad is it that the only reason to sub is ***ing inventory space? Try explaining that one to your friends.

OH yea, game is amazing! But if you want a few different armor sets and maybe do a little crafting you have to pay monthly because they don't have the infrastructure in place with the base game.

idk · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

disintegr8 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf
I am prepared to pay my ESO+ for QoL and if others are not prepared to pay it, that is their choice. The only other thing I can suggest is that if you want to get the same major perk as a subscriber, it should come at a substantial cost - maybe the equivalent of 12 months subs or more.

As it is, anyone can get around the inventory issue very cheaply by getting a 1 months sub to ESO+, putting all of their crafting supplies in the craft bag, farm as much as possible for a month and then simply not renew it.

Why should someone have a one off option of even $60 for a permanent craft bag when lots pf players are happy paying their monthly dues?

I agree that the crafting bag should remain an ESO exclusive perk, but with no option of any kind for one to be purchased or obtained otherwise.

ESO has a good design that doesn't require players to sub and offering some perks to those that do sub.

It comes down to a choice each of us makes. Most that do not sub understand this but t it seems some feel entitled. For those they can have the bag if they want. Just sub.

Elsonso · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

Phatmattfu wrote: »

How sad is it that the only reason to sub is ***ing inventory space? Try explaining that one to your friends.

OH yea, game is amazing! But if you want a few different armor sets and maybe do a little crafting you have to pay monthly because they don't have the infrastructure in place with the base game.

Not the only reason. The main reason, for many.

The problem with ESO Plus is that so much has happened outside of ESO Plus that it is starting to fall behind. The benefit from the costume dye and housing features are nice, but are very niche. They have been allowing the value of the subscription to slip away, relative to the rest of the game, for a while now. It is only with Morrowind that the spotlight was really turned on what is happening.

Hopefully, some of the suggestions in the forum will convince Bethesda to ramp up the subscription value when Morrowind rolls out.

jakeedmundson · February 2017

It's hilarious to me that the people defending the "eso + only" option think paying $15/month is worth it for a CRAFTING bag.

Realistically, this should be included in the base game.
If anything, at least make it purchasable in the crown store. Subbing should include some actual benefits. Now that real game content will no longer be included, the sub is worthless. (morrowind)

10% extra xp, research times, and gold? not even close to being worth the money. Maybe it would be for a new player but that benefit loses value quickly.
The crowns? nope, nothing in the store is interesting anymore. Pets are lame, and after you have a few mounts it doesn't matter anyway.
the craft bag? sure its useful, but it is NOT worth $15 EVERY month.
DLC content like homestead is free to everyone so eso + does nothing there
dark brotherhood and thieves guild dlcs were TERRIBLE. Repeat the same garbage quests 100 times until you get the skill line leveled to finish the story? wtf?? The last good DLC was wrothgar... almost a year and a half ago.

So again, i hope you all enjoy wasting your hard earned money every month just for a "bag of holding"
What happened to everyone's sense of value? We all just lie down and take it for some reason...

Katahdin · February 2017

As much as I feel this should have been available to everyone with limited storage (2000 of each mat), they will never put it in the crown store.

If they did, there would be absolutely no reason to sub any more. I and many others would buy the bag along with the DLCs and drop the sub.

It would effectively be the end of the sub program.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf
I am prepared to pay my ESO+ for QoL and if others are not prepared to pay it, that is their choice. The only other thing I can suggest is that if you want to get the same major perk as a subscriber, it should come at a substantial cost - maybe the equivalent of 12 months subs or more.

As it is, anyone can get around the inventory issue very cheaply by getting a 1 months sub to ESO+, putting all of their crafting supplies in the craft bag, farm as much as possible for a month and then simply not renew it.

Why should someone have a one off option of even $60 for a permanent craft bag when lots pf players are happy paying their monthly dues?

I agree that the crafting bag should remain an ESO exclusive perk, but with no option of any kind for one to be purchased or obtained otherwise.

ESO has a good design that doesn't require players to sub and offering some perks to those that do sub.

It comes down to a choice each of us makes. Most that do not sub understand this but t it seems some feel entitled. For those they can have the bag if they want. Just sub.

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

You all keep saying that but in the same breath you all say you sub for the crafting bag.....so you're saying it's necessary for you so you sub for access.

Now if dlc were only accessible via a sub and not via crowns or if crown store items were behind a sub and not for individual purchase for QoL items, then you'd have a valid opinion, however the reality is that this bag is the only thing that can't be purchased.

It's inconsistent with all other options therefore it needs to align and remain consistent because the company still advertises that the game doesn't require a subscription to play.

The bag does require a subscription to play, and no one in logic wants it for free, therefore offering a limited crafting bag for sale with limited upgrade options aligns with the advertising, the existing content and the suggested model.

From a business and profitability standpoint, it definitely aligns.

See if this were like housing where you could access the bag in a limited way but the subscription enchanced it....that's cool and makes sense but to restrict it to a subscription only, borders misleading statements around no required sub.

You're paying via a sub....cool
I have a sub that will expire in late Feb cause on Xbox one they can't figure out how to provide eso plus correctly. ...problem
Furthermore, paying customers are lead to believe that they can buy content and QoL with real money, however this particular feature isn't accessible.

That's a big problem @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom which goes into your eso plus suggestion thread.

The bag in some sense should exist in another form and not remain exclusive because of how you're advertising and how you've aligned other content access and features.

DocFrost72 · February 2017

You can pay 1500 crowns a month for the bag, if you like? I think that's a fair price

Ozstryker · February 2017

Phatmattfu wrote: »

How sad is it that the only reason to sub is ***ing inventory space? Try explaining that one to your friends.

OH yea, game is amazing! But if you want a few different armor sets and maybe do a little crafting you have to pay monthly because they don't have the infrastructure in place with the base game.

You can upgrade 60 personal slots through riding trainer, u can have 240 ( I believe) bank slots via in game gold..
What base game storage infrastructure is not in place?

Anymore storage is only convenience, and rightly a perk for subbing IMO!

Sengra · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be free for unsubscribed players.

I voted this way because my main MMO used to be GW2, where this feature was free for everybody even though there were no DLCs or other necessary puchases for the first 3 years (until the expansion dropped). I feel like in ESO they already have a lot of stuff going on in terms of monetization (gambling crates, expensive mounts and housing, the new expansion system), and why does the game need a 'not so optional' sub feature if it's B2P and there's more and more content that needs to be bought anyway?

Edit: On the other hand it's pretty generous that you can keep the crafting bag storage even after you've dropped your sub, so I'm a little torn on that subject.

Jaeysa · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must cost 5000 crowns.

I don't care all that much to be honest, but if they do put it on the crown store I think 5,000 crowns is reasonable.

Personofsecrets · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be free for unsubscribed players.

In this thread people with disposable income vote to cement their pay-to-win advantage in this game.

Personofsecrets · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be free for unsubscribed players.

Vote to gain more of a voice rather than vote to remove your voice. Pretty simple.

Panomania · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

the craft bag? sure its useful, but it is NOT worth $15 EVERY month.

Is for some of us. The bag is the biggest reason I sub....and most crafters I know feel the same way.

Ozstryker · February 2017

Personofsecrets wrote: »

In this thread people with disposable income vote to cement their pay-to-win advantage in this game.

Pay-to-win...? how exactly is a crafting bag pay-to-win? Genuine question!

Violynne · February 2017

Alandauron wrote: »

Sorry but this is one of the main perks for subbing to ESO+, aside from the access to dlc, but you can purchase the dlc separately in order to have access to it while not subbed, do this with the crafting bag and there's literally no real reason to subscribe. It should remain as is.

I concur. Moreso, I believe ZoS should do more to implement things in the game which cater to ESO+ members. I know 1500 Crowns/mo + exp buffs + crafting bag is good, but this stuff is virtual so I see no reason why more can't be piled on to help bolster new subs and reward those who've been doing it.

Disclaimer: I don't sub. Not because I don't want to, but because I'm never, ever giving Microsoft direct access to my CC, which is a requirement on the XB1 for subbing to ESO. I've been hoping ZoS would allow payments through the Microsoft Store card, but so far, no dice.

Once I get my PC built, then I'll sub.

Panomania · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

I keep hearing about how its "people with money" who want it to stay the way that it is. Ok, I can see your point....but you're looking at it wrong. First, 15 bucks a month....thats 2 or 3 less lunches out a month. Thats 2 or 3 less beers out a month. Thats 3 or 4 less light decaf soy mocacrapjuice latte's from that Dirk Benedict guy. Thats taking 20 minutes a month and mowing someones lawn. Its roughly 60 pounds of aluminum cans at a scrap metal place.

This is a hobby for many of us, and one we spend a good chunk of time with. Fifty cents a day for your hobby isnt expensive. And bottom line is ZOS can do one of two things: they can have some perks that are Plus only, promoting people to subscribe, in essence letting roughly 20% of the game population paying so you can play free....or they can start charging 15 bucks a month to play. Has to be one or the other. You pick which.

theslynx · February 2017

I tend to think of things like this in terms of marginal sales and markets.

There are some people, myself included, who are never going to sub, for whatever reason, but who would still like to cut down on the inventory management. You have to worry, at least a bit, that some minority of those people will eventually leave over the tiresome inventory, in which case you lose out on potential Crown sales. That's probably a small but measurable loss.

There are some people who are simply going to unsubscribe if they can simply buy a full crafting bag. If you sell the bag, you lose their monthly revenue stream, and probably don't make it up via Crown purchases. That's probably a more noticeable loss. So you don't sell full crafting bags.

Ideally, you try to cut the difference. For instance, sell small crafting bags - say, a 20-slot Provisioning crafting bag for 3 000 Crowns that can only carry single stacks of items. You can't fully replace the crafting bag, or even come particularly close, so ESO still has measurable value, but you also capture some portion of that market you're otherwise missing.

Panomania · February 2017

Permanent crafting bag must be accessible only by ESO+ players.

Oh, and I mentioned the cans because a kid in one of my guilds does just that: he spends around an hour a week collecting cans from friends, family and neighbors.....he doesnt pick garbage. And he makes enough in a month for 3 months of plus.

Gedalya · February 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

No option for pay the sub and quit whining?

Yes, I agree completely; please stop these threads.