The addons/cheats that allow you to dodge perfectly

Malamar1229 · February 2017

I will have a video uploaded by tonight, or I will try. I caught this on film last night.

I know there are currently players running an addon or some other cheap tactic that informs them when to dodge, or dodges for them. I am constantly experiencing issues when I can proc frags from stealth and players are roll dodging before I even fire it off.

Last night I was stealthed as an EP zerg ran by and I will typically pick off the slower ones in the back. One player roll dodged the moment I targeted him when he should had zero indication where I was or that I had him targeted.

Now, I thought Miats addon was rendered useless with HS but that point aside I know there is a different addon being used that tells players when to dodge.

I cant fathom why anyone claiming to be competent at PvP would use such a crutch when they should be relying on their eyeballs and skill for counterplay. We all know who the rock hugging stam trolls are, that seemingly never take any damage, never run out of resources, and can withstand 10+ potatoes beating on them.....and always perfectly dodge rolling whenever a frags proc occurs....doesnt matter if I am zerg surfing, hidden, or at some distance....they always know its coming.

BuggeX · February 2017

thats why zos make the projectils faster, cause they dont know how to fix the lua to prevent that

iseko · February 2017

Miats cc addon still warns for incoming frags I think.

Malamar1229 · February 2017

do happen to play on concole BuggeX? I do have an XB acct as well but I cant recall this being an issue there.

Minalan · February 2017

@ZOS_ChipHilseberg mentioned that this would be patched out server side.

"Combat events will also only be sent for abilities that come from you or target you instead of what we do now which is clear out some of the identifying info. We'll also clean up the case of the heavy attack sending a begin event even though the source is stealthed, but that will come from a server change."

Here's the thread:
http://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?p=29414#post29414

Basically, ACTION_RESULT_BEGIN gets triggered from a heavy attack, crystal fragment hard cast, snipe, etc, even if you are still in stealth. That probably hasn't been completely fixed yet, and that piece of Miat's add-on still works. The add-ons just look for those events and report them to the targeted player.

The player, not being an idiot, dodge rolls and avoids the surprise attack.

We haven't heard an ETA on the fix yet, but an animation cancelled stealth cast proc frag should still hit with very little they can do about it.

thankyourat · February 2017

Projectiles make a sound when fired. If a player is listening it gives plenty of time to react. I play on Xbox and a player complained that I dodged his staff heavy attack from stealth I tried to explain to him that I heard the attack being fired he didn't believe and said he would report me. I don't think he'll get very far lol. Also frags travels at a snail's pace lol if you fired it from decently far away he could've seen it coming and dodged. So he could've been using that broken add on or he could've just been paying attention

BuggeX · February 2017

thankyourat wrote: »

Projectiles make a sound when fired. If a player is listening it gives plenty of time to react. I play on Xbox and a player complained that I dodged his staff heavy attack from stealth I tried to explain to him that I heard the attack being fired he didn't believe and said he would report me. I don't think he'll get very far lol. Also frags travels at a snail's pace lol if you fired it from decently far away he could've seen it coming and dodged. So he could've been using that broken add on or he could've just been paying attention

acctually the game starts a combat Music when you get ganked. so the game itself is indicator enough. once i hear that combat Music while riding random arround i instantly block and wing. buff up and wait to the poor Thing attemping to gank me

Minalan · February 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

do happen to play on concole BuggeX? I do have an XB acct as well but I cant recall this being an issue there.

then if you bother about the addon go Play x1 console peasant

fairly certain i have several clips of me destroying you on my sorc. So I get why you defend such cheese, you should name change to Tom Brady. Also supports why you contantly whine in sorc threads about us needing nerfs. So I get why you need the handicap, doesnt change the fact its garbage addon for garbage players.

the only sorc that actually destroy me in no time is caimo with his new meta pet build, so if you arnt caimo you arnt destroying me, also i dont even Play with any combat addons, not even to track my buffs nor debuffs on enemys to refrash my dots.

So... are sorcs still overpowered? Or did you just get mad because you lost to one?

Malamar1229 · February 2017

Do any of you read?
@thankyourat
I clearly stated that I did not fire off a frags nor was I casting one (aka hard casting). I used crit surge from stealth (self buff) to proc frags and simply was hovering my mouse over my target. No action taken.

thankyourat · February 2017

BuggeX wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Projectiles make a sound when fired. If a player is listening it gives plenty of time to react. I play on Xbox and a player complained that I dodged his staff heavy attack from stealth I tried to explain to him that I heard the attack being fired he didn't believe and said he would report me. I don't think he'll get very far lol. Also frags travels at a snail's pace lol if you fired it from decently far away he could've seen it coming and dodged. So he could've been using that broken add on or he could've just been paying attention

acctually the game starts a combat Music when you get ganked. so the game itself is indicator enough. once i hear that combat Music while riding random arround i instantly block and wing. buff up and wait to the poor Thing attemping to gank me

I find the combat music to be very buggy sometimes I'll hear it and nothing happens or sometimes my music stops all together. So I listen for the sound of attacks basically the same thing. The only problem is if there are alot of people in chat sometimes you can miss the audio que. But yes this built in anti gank counter is very strong. I don't think alot of players know about it

BuggeX · February 2017

Minalan wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

do happen to play on concole BuggeX? I do have an XB acct as well but I cant recall this being an issue there.

then if you bother about the addon go Play x1 console peasant

fairly certain i have several clips of me destroying you on my sorc. So I get why you defend such cheese, you should name change to Tom Brady. Also supports why you contantly whine in sorc threads about us needing nerfs. So I get why you need the handicap, doesnt change the fact its garbage addon for garbage players.

the only sorc that actually destroy me in no time is caimo with his new meta pet build, so if you arnt caimo you arnt destroying me, also i dont even Play with any combat addons, not even to track my buffs nor debuffs on enemys to refrash my dots.

So... are sorcs still overpowered? Or did you just get mad because you lost to one?

caimo is op :P

thankyourat · February 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Do any of you read?
@thankyourat
I clearly stated that I did not fire off a frags nor was I casting one (aka hard casting). I used crit surge from stealth (self buff) to proc frags and simply was hovering my mouse over my target. No action taken.

Idk maybe it's a new add on. I don't know much about miats since I play on console but didn't it only work for attacks with cast times? Like heavy attack and snipe.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2017

Combat Cloud has been around since launch and will tell you when to dodge, when something you cast has been reflected, when to cleanse, when to exploit etc. The only one I actually pay attention to is the reflected notification, but I can still avoid a reflected frags without it lol. This has always been there and I just assumed everyone used an addon like this. I think having an addon auto-dodge for you is beyond the capabilities of an addon, that functionality sounds more like a hack.

Lexxypwns · February 2017

Add-ons alerting you of incoming projectiles isn't new, its a functionality that's been around for ages, and anyone claiming it doesn't exist is either ignorant or a liar.

Call console players peasants, but we don't have to deal with nearly as many cheaters as PC...

BuggeX · February 2017

thankyourat wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Projectiles make a sound when fired. If a player is listening it gives plenty of time to react. I play on Xbox and a player complained that I dodged his staff heavy attack from stealth I tried to explain to him that I heard the attack being fired he didn't believe and said he would report me. I don't think he'll get very far lol. Also frags travels at a snail's pace lol if you fired it from decently far away he could've seen it coming and dodged. So he could've been using that broken add on or he could've just been paying attention

acctually the game starts a combat Music when you get ganked. so the game itself is indicator enough. once i hear that combat Music while riding random arround i instantly block and wing. buff up and wait to the poor Thing attemping to gank me

I find the combat music to be very buggy sometimes I'll hear it and nothing happens or sometimes my music stops all together. So I listen for the sound of attacks basically the same thing. The only problem is if there are alot of people in chat sometimes you can miss the audio que. But yes this built in anti gank counter is very strong. I don't think alot of players know about it

anything is Buggy af in that game lol, beside housing somehow and the crownshop ofc

Berenhir · February 2017

You can turn on those combat alerts in ingame settings, even without addons. It's a built in mechanic. The addons just make them better visible, so that they don't look like during the tutorial in wailing prison.

ZOS_GregoryV · February 2017

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Minalan · February 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Do any of you read?
@thankyourat
I clearly stated that I did not fire off a frags nor was I casting one (aka hard casting). I used crit surge from stealth (self buff) to proc frags and simply was hovering my mouse over my target. No action taken.

My guess is that crit surge triggered the incoming action event and notified him of an attack. It wouldn't surprise me if the API event is bugged.

Biro123 · February 2017

There's definitely something out there - ant its one of the reasons I stopped with my dw sorc...

So many times you can wail on someone with wrath/curse/degeneration... but the instant you fire off a procced frags. the instant - not after they see it coming - they dodge.

Its too common to be manual and its too quick to be manual.

Dredlord · February 2017

Auto blocker/dodgers have been around since the first few months of the game.

Play console if you want competitive pvp, there is much much less cheating there.

Mr_Nobody · February 2017

*Dodge now*
*Block now*

Malamar1229 · February 2017

Is it possible an addon alerts a player when someone mouses over him? Cuz thats all I did.

I know I said I would post a video and I will, but that recording is over 6 hours long...that's a lot to go through.

TheBonesXXX · February 2017

Not surprised, Zenimax gave players way to much freedom with the addons in the game, most of the convenience tools should be built into the game.

timidobserver · February 2017

This goes to the main reason why Miat's should've been left unblocked. At least everyone had access to it. Whenever someone finds a new way to make it work it will be a private addon once again.

Baconlad · February 2017

Dudes not talking about being told to dodge. Dudes talking about his target auto dodgeing. I have suspicions of the same thing, maybe an addon that allows him to auto dodge when not in combat, i have never seen it when in combat

Minalan · February 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Is it possible an addon alerts a player when someone mouses over him? Cuz thats all I did.

I know I said I would post a video and I will, but that recording is over 6 hours long...that's a lot to go through.

Check it out, I'd very much like to see it. Post it up and lets share it with Gina and Chip. I'm not doubting you, it sounds like a bug/exploit.

Worst case we can take it to some of the guys on ESOUI and see what could cause that.

BuggeX · February 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Is it possible an addon alerts a player when someone mouses over him? Cuz thats all I did.

I know I said I would post a video and I will, but that recording is over 6 hours long...that's a lot to go through.

it is, and the game itself will Play a combat Sound before the ganker even buff up.

Anele_Sunder · February 2017

Sorc burst is fairly predictable, to those mentioning C-Frags as proof. Watch your debuffs, wait for a 3 second curse to appear , when it does you know to watch out for a C-Frag.

Biro123 · February 2017

Anele_Sunder wrote: »

Sorc burst is fairly predictable, to those mentioning C-Frags as proof. Watch your debuffs, wait for a 3 second curse to appear , when it does you know to watch out for a C-Frag.

People said that before - so I've been deliberately messing up my burst - sending the frag out early or late.. there's still an awful lot of dodges right as you hit the button to cast that frag.

kadar · February 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Anele_Sunder wrote: »

Sorc burst is fairly predictable, to those mentioning C-Frags as proof. Watch your debuffs, wait for a 3 second curse to appear , when it does you know to watch out for a C-Frag.

People said that before - so I've been deliberately messing up my burst - sending the frag out early or late.. there's still an awful lot of dodges right as you hit the button to cast that frag.

It's tough cause medium builds also just roll randomly all the time, in or out of combat. I know I did back when I played one. If roll fatigue isn't up, there's zero reason to not roll constantly-- you even get speed with your bow out.

technohic · February 2017

The_Outsider wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Anele_Sunder wrote: »

Sorc burst is fairly predictable, to those mentioning C-Frags as proof. Watch your debuffs, wait for a 3 second curse to appear , when it does you know to watch out for a C-Frag.

People said that before - so I've been deliberately messing up my burst - sending the frag out early or late.. there's still an awful lot of dodges right as you hit the button to cast that frag.

It's tough cause medium builds also just roll randomly all the time, in or out of combat. I know I did back when I played one. If roll fatigue isn't up, there's zero reason to not roll constantly-- you even get speed with your bow out.

Yeah; I rolled the other night when a dude I was fighting cloaked out just as a skiddish response and saw a blast right behind me. I was thinking they probably were wondering how I knew that was coming or reacted so quickly. I didn't. Often its just not on the debuff timer so I just do it.