XP Gain Is Slower With Sub

ForfiniteStories · February 2017

I recently subbed after playing a month or two since the last time I subbed and I noticed my CXP gain is incredibly slower than it had been when I wasn't a sub.

When I wasn't a sub, I would always have enlightment. Now with the increase in XP gain, I've reached my enlightment limit. Now I find myself gaining less experience than if I hadn't subbed, as I would have never surpassed that limit if I didn't.

Considering that XP boost is one of the few reasons to sub, I will have to reconsider whether or not I should sustain a subscription.

s7732425ub17_ESO · February 2017

*Facepalm*.

Epic facepalm.

Mashille · February 2017

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IcyDeadPeople · February 2017

if you were always at enlightenment, it means you were never gaining enough XP to reach 400k/per day or whatever is the enlightenment rate.

cjthibs · February 2017

UrQuan · February 2017

You're not gaining less XP. That's not how enlightenment works.

DRXHarbinger · February 2017

*** did I just read......

OP enlightenment isn't forever it's 400k a every 24hrs. ...if you don't play for a while you'll have up to 12 days worth stacked up.

And yes you do get 10% more with plus.

Mic1007 · February 2017

LadyLavina · February 2017

ForfiniteStories · February 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

if you were always at enlightenment, it means you were never gaining enough XP to reach 400k/per day or whatever is the enlightenment rate.

I would gain a champion point every few quests. I just did a few more than usual and barely managed to acquire 1 champion level.

Bigevilpeter · February 2017

I'll ask you another question, which is heavier a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?

KICHZY · February 2017

First off, The only reason people are still subbed is for that crafting bag perk.

Secondly read this:

Hi everyone!

We've been seeing a lot of confusion over Enlightenment and how the system works, so we wanted to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. In simplest terms, Enlightenment is a bonus for the XP you earn while playing that counts toward your Champion Point progression.

Every 24 hours, you receive enough Enlightenment to earn one Champion Point at the rate of 100,000XP per Point; after your Enlightenment is used up, you will return to requiring 400,000XP to earn a Champion Point. The 24 hour timer starts when you log in with your first Veteran character or unlock the Champion System, whichever is first, and resets every 24 hours after it first starts. You will receive a message on your screen that you are Enlightened, and you can also hover over your XP bar to see if you are Enlightened.

If you end up not using up all your Enlightenment while you play, it will continue to accrue for a maximum of 12 days. Once you hit the limit, you will not gain any additional Enlightenment until you begin to use it by gaining XP.

cjthibs · February 2017

UrQuan wrote: »

You're not gaining less XP. That's not how enlightenment works.

MissBizz · February 2017

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

if you were always at enlightenment, it means you were never gaining enough XP to reach 400k/per day or whatever is the enlightenment rate.

I would gain a champion point every few quests. I just did a few more than usual and barely managed to acquire 1 champion level.

The more CP you have the more XP it takes to get your next CP. So since you have more CP than you did last month, each CP now takes more XP to earn than those ones last month.

BlackSparrow · February 2017

Your lack of EXP gain has nothing to do with subbing or not subbing. This is an Enlightenment thing, so it would have been less EXP regardless of whether or not you subbed, because you ran out of Enlightenment. Enlightenment is not at all related to subbing, but rather to the amount of time you spend online playing your character.

Basically, read KICHZY's post a couple posts up.

IcyDeadPeople · February 2017

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

if you were always at enlightenment, it means you were never gaining enough XP to reach 400k/per day or whatever is the enlightenment rate.

I would gain a champion point every few quests. I just did a few more than usual and barely managed to acquire 1 champion level.

The rate at which you gain champion points is different from the rate of XP gain.

When you first start gaining champion points each one costs only around 34k XP (~8k while enlightened), then each new CP costs slightly more, until you reach the current cap (600), where champion points cost 400k XP (100k while enlightened).

The sliding scale was implemented as a way for new and returning players to catch up to the current cap.

Here is the formula for calculating the cost of your next champion point:

ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »

Hey everyone,
Thanks for all the feedback so far. We love reading your enthusiasm on this new system. Our goal is to make it as polished and awesome as possible before releasing to the live servers. The three main changes we’re looking to make are:
Reducing the speed at which XP per point accelerates. Our data shows there is a good number of people in the 300 champion point range and we didn’t want them to feel like they had to grind all the way to 501 before the system releases. This now means players are gaining champion points faster than the old value up until their 445th point.

Slightly increasing base XP. This helps normalize the curve a bit so players are spending a little more time in the beginning of the curve and less time at the end of the curve.

Reducing the XP penalty for players past cap. We want dedicated players to still be able to make meaningful progress.

The formula would be adjusted in the following way to meet these goals:
((TotalPoints / (Cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000, where Total Points is how many CP points you’ve earned.

If you exceed the cap, the XP required is calculated given the above formula and then multiplied by 1.5.

For the first Champion Point (going from 0 Champion Points to 1 Champion Point) 34000 XP is required.

Sigtric · February 2017

KICHZY wrote: »

First off, The only reason people are still subbed is for that crafting bag perk.

Secondly read this:

Hi everyone!

We've been seeing a lot of confusion over Enlightenment and how the system works, so we wanted to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. In simplest terms, Enlightenment is a bonus for the XP you earn while playing that counts toward your Champion Point progression.

Every 24 hours, you receive enough Enlightenment to earn one Champion Point at the rate of 100,000XP per Point; after your Enlightenment is used up, you will return to requiring 400,000XP to earn a Champion Point. The 24 hour timer starts when you log in with your first Veteran character or unlock the Champion System, whichever is first, and resets every 24 hours after it first starts. You will receive a message on your screen that you are Enlightened, and you can also hover over your XP bar to see if you are Enlightened.

If you end up not using up all your Enlightenment while you play, it will continue to accrue for a maximum of 12 days. Once you hit the limit, you will not gain any additional Enlightenment until you begin to use it by gaining XP.

I sub for the xp, and the gold increase, and the craft bag, and the 1500 crowns a month, so no, that's not the ONLY reason.

Locnaar · February 2017

can't stop!!

cjthibs · February 2017

Locnaar wrote: »

can't stop!!

UrQuan · February 2017

KICHZY wrote: »

First off, The only reason people are still subbed is for that crafting bag perk.

Secondly read this:

Hi everyone!

We've been seeing a lot of confusion over Enlightenment and how the system works, so we wanted to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. In simplest terms, Enlightenment is a bonus for the XP you earn while playing that counts toward your Champion Point progression.

Every 24 hours, you receive enough Enlightenment to earn one Champion Point at the rate of 100,000XP per Point; after your Enlightenment is used up, you will return to requiring 400,000XP to earn a Champion Point. The 24 hour timer starts when you log in with your first Veteran character or unlock the Champion System, whichever is first, and resets every 24 hours after it first starts. You will receive a message on your screen that you are Enlightened, and you can also hover over your XP bar to see if you are Enlightened.

If you end up not using up all your Enlightenment while you play, it will continue to accrue for a maximum of 12 days. Once you hit the limit, you will not gain any additional Enlightenment until you begin to use it by gaining XP.

The quote in here is a bit out of date, though, as it dates back to before the champion point catchup mechanism was introduced: back in the days when it always took a flat 400K XP to earn a single CP. The explanation of how enlightenment works is still valid, but not the comments about the rate at which you earn CPs.

Basically it works like this:

Every 24 hour period you gain 1 day's worth of enlightenment.

1 day's worth of enlightenment causes the first 100K XP you earn that day (on a level 50 character) to count quadruple for the purposes of earning CPs only.

If you don't use up all of your enlightenment in a given 24 hour period, it accumulates, up to a maximum of 12 days worth.

The amount of XP it takes to earn a single CP is on a sliding scale, so that the lower your total CP is, the lower the amount of XP you need to gain your next CP. When you're a brand new level 50, you earn CPs incredibly quickly, but as you get closer to the CP cap it begins to slow down dramatically, and when you're over the cap it becomes very slow.

Beardimus · February 2017

cjthibs wrote: »

I rarely actually lol. I jist lost my crap over that one hahah

Played sir.

SanSan · February 2017

How are you this confused lol. It's simple to understand.

Vaoh · February 2017

Please be a troll..... please.....

KICHZY · February 2017

Sigtric wrote: »

KICHZY wrote: »

First off, The only reason people are still subbed is for that crafting bag perk.

Secondly read this:

Hi everyone!

We've been seeing a lot of confusion over Enlightenment and how the system works, so we wanted to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. In simplest terms, Enlightenment is a bonus for the XP you earn while playing that counts toward your Champion Point progression.

Every 24 hours, you receive enough Enlightenment to earn one Champion Point at the rate of 100,000XP per Point; after your Enlightenment is used up, you will return to requiring 400,000XP to earn a Champion Point. The 24 hour timer starts when you log in with your first Veteran character or unlock the Champion System, whichever is first, and resets every 24 hours after it first starts. You will receive a message on your screen that you are Enlightened, and you can also hover over your XP bar to see if you are Enlightened.

If you end up not using up all your Enlightenment while you play, it will continue to accrue for a maximum of 12 days. Once you hit the limit, you will not gain any additional Enlightenment until you begin to use it by gaining XP.

I sub for the xp, and the gold increase, and the craft bag, and the 1500 crowns a month, so no, that's not the ONLY reason.

If you were to do a poll, What I mentioned would win the overall vote Sigtric. Who cares about reaching maxCP (clearly not allot considering Rich Lambert stated only around 5% of the player base has actually achieved it in an ESO live video). What's there to rush for?
Who cares about the added xp bonuses when you can actually play the game and create Psijic Ambrosia plus receive a 10% IIRC, for being in a group of two.
As for crowns I have no issue with, They're handy but for anything of actual value you need 3000+ so that's a 3month sub for 1 item!

again, The only reason "most" people are ESO Plus subscribers ( including myself) is for that craft bag...

Back on topic now*

MissBizz · February 2017

KICHZY wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

KICHZY wrote: »

First off, The only reason people are still subbed is for that crafting bag perk.

Secondly read this:

Hi everyone!

We've been seeing a lot of confusion over Enlightenment and how the system works, so we wanted to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. In simplest terms, Enlightenment is a bonus for the XP you earn while playing that counts toward your Champion Point progression.

Every 24 hours, you receive enough Enlightenment to earn one Champion Point at the rate of 100,000XP per Point; after your Enlightenment is used up, you will return to requiring 400,000XP to earn a Champion Point. The 24 hour timer starts when you log in with your first Veteran character or unlock the Champion System, whichever is first, and resets every 24 hours after it first starts. You will receive a message on your screen that you are Enlightened, and you can also hover over your XP bar to see if you are Enlightened.

If you end up not using up all your Enlightenment while you play, it will continue to accrue for a maximum of 12 days. Once you hit the limit, you will not gain any additional Enlightenment until you begin to use it by gaining XP.

I sub for the xp, and the gold increase, and the craft bag, and the 1500 crowns a month, so no, that's not the ONLY reason.

If you were to do a poll, What I mentioned would win the overall vote Sigtric. Who cares about reaching maxCP (clearly not allot considering Rich Lambert stated only around 5% of the player base has actually achieved it in an ESO live video). What's there to rush for?
Who cares about the added xp bonuses when you can actually play the game and create Psijic Ambrosia plus receive a 10% IIRC, for being in a group of two.
As for crowns I have no issue with, They're handy but for anything of actual value you need 3000+ so that's a 3month sub for 1 item!

again, The only reason "most" people are ESO Plus subscribers ( including myself) is for that craft bag...

Back on topic now*

...So we will ignore all the people who subscribed before the crafting bag existed? Like me? And many many others?

KICHZY · February 2017

MissBizz wrote: »

KICHZY wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

KICHZY wrote: »

First off, The only reason people are still subbed is for that crafting bag perk.

Secondly read this:

Hi everyone!

We've been seeing a lot of confusion over Enlightenment and how the system works, so we wanted to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. In simplest terms, Enlightenment is a bonus for the XP you earn while playing that counts toward your Champion Point progression.

Every 24 hours, you receive enough Enlightenment to earn one Champion Point at the rate of 100,000XP per Point; after your Enlightenment is used up, you will return to requiring 400,000XP to earn a Champion Point. The 24 hour timer starts when you log in with your first Veteran character or unlock the Champion System, whichever is first, and resets every 24 hours after it first starts. You will receive a message on your screen that you are Enlightened, and you can also hover over your XP bar to see if you are Enlightened.

If you end up not using up all your Enlightenment while you play, it will continue to accrue for a maximum of 12 days. Once you hit the limit, you will not gain any additional Enlightenment until you begin to use it by gaining XP.

I sub for the xp, and the gold increase, and the craft bag, and the 1500 crowns a month, so no, that's not the ONLY reason.

If you were to do a poll, What I mentioned would win the overall vote Sigtric. Who cares about reaching maxCP (clearly not allot considering Rich Lambert stated only around 5% of the player base has actually achieved it in an ESO live video). What's there to rush for?
Who cares about the added xp bonuses when you can actually play the game and create Psijic Ambrosia plus receive a 10% IIRC, for being in a group of two.
As for crowns I have no issue with, They're handy but for anything of actual value you need 3000+ so that's a 3month sub for 1 item!

again, The only reason "most" people are ESO Plus subscribers ( including myself) is for that craft bag...

Back on topic now*

...So we will ignore all the people who subscribed before the crafting bag existed? Like me? And many many others?

Who mentioned ignoring anyone? Don't be so overdramatic MissBizz.

Rouven · February 2017

I don't even understand the need to make fun of this. I think it's been explained so hopefully the OP knows how it works now.
10% more xp here or there, sooner or later we'll all be CP over 9000!

Mic1007 · February 2017

Rouven wrote: »

I don't even understand the need to make fun of this. I think it's been explained so hopefully the OP knows how it works now.
10% more xp here or there, sooner or later we'll all be CP over 9000!

If only there weren't only 3600 total.

SirAndy · February 2017

Mic1007 wrote: »

Needs a red Mohawk and a few more wrinkles, but other than that, exactly my face when i read this thread ...

NocturnalGuideMe · February 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I'll ask you another question, which is heavier a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?

depends are they feathers from an African Swallow?

Ojustaboo · February 2017

KICHZY wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

KICHZY wrote: »

First off, The only reason people are still subbed is for that crafting bag perk.

Secondly read this:

Hi everyone!

We've been seeing a lot of confusion over Enlightenment and how the system works, so we wanted to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. In simplest terms, Enlightenment is a bonus for the XP you earn while playing that counts toward your Champion Point progression.

Every 24 hours, you receive enough Enlightenment to earn one Champion Point at the rate of 100,000XP per Point; after your Enlightenment is used up, you will return to requiring 400,000XP to earn a Champion Point. The 24 hour timer starts when you log in with your first Veteran character or unlock the Champion System, whichever is first, and resets every 24 hours after it first starts. You will receive a message on your screen that you are Enlightened, and you can also hover over your XP bar to see if you are Enlightened.

If you end up not using up all your Enlightenment while you play, it will continue to accrue for a maximum of 12 days. Once you hit the limit, you will not gain any additional Enlightenment until you begin to use it by gaining XP.

I sub for the xp, and the gold increase, and the craft bag, and the 1500 crowns a month, so no, that's not the ONLY reason.

If you were to do a poll, What I mentioned would win the overall vote Sigtric. Who cares about reaching maxCP (clearly not allot considering Rich Lambert stated only around 5% of the player base has actually achieved it in an ESO live video). What's there to rush for?
Who cares about the added xp bonuses when you can actually play the game and create Psijic Ambrosia plus receive a 10% IIRC, for being in a group of two.
As for crowns I have no issue with, They're handy but for anything of actual value you need 3000+ so that's a 3month sub for 1 item!

again, The only reason "most" people are ESO Plus subscribers ( including myself) is for that craft bag...

Back on topic now*

Agree 100%. Gold is mega easy to come by (and I've never belonged to a trading guilds or sold in chat)

Before 1T I wanted to freeze my XP as I was sick of out levelling areas, since 1T, I suppose some peopel might want it, when I feel like grinding CP, I just make a load of 50% XP pots for in game gold costing me nothing.

As for crowns, sure they are useful, but if it wasn't for the crafting bag, you are much better off buying crowns in the sales and even after buying all DLC, you would still be a lot better off over a year.

The only reason I subbed was for the crafting bag, but after the recent chapter announcement (not that I mind paying for an expansion if it actually turns out to be one, and not them cashing in on the Morrowind hype) and the lack of DLC (that non subscribers dont get free) for a year by the time morrowind is released, I've cancelled my sub.

I was paying 3 months at a time, I've just bought the gold edition instead of my next 3 month sub, now I have two accounts to play with