Magicka Sustain Tips

g0dlik3buthumbl3
Hi folks, I've previously been playing as a stamblade using light attack weaving with siphoning attacks and my stamina will literally sustain forever. I've now rolled a Dunmer magplar as an alt and using 5 julianos, 3 willpower, 2 Llambris all with Magicka enchants I never seem to have enough magicka to complete a vet boss without bottoming out my magicka pool. I've tried heavy attack weaving, but it's sooooo slow to heavy attack that it feels my dps must drop significantly while doing so. How do you handle magicka sustain, while maintaining dps, without something similar to Siphoning Attacks? I've been using harness magicka and channeled focus, but this doesn't seem to really help...
Edited by g0dlik3buthumbl3 on February 14, 2017 10:52AM
  • Turelus
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    Have someone in the group (or yourself) use Elemental Drain on the boss.

    I am not sure if that's still the most viable way however. You can also drink trash potions (C150 white ones) on cooldown if you're not using crit/spellpower ones for your build.
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  • Beardimus
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    Max your CP in cost reduction, then regen I found, as I have a lol regen sat. Run potion's constantly (20% more) weave. 2 x AOE down while you heavy, deeps still happening.

    If stuck switch the jewellery enchants ti SD. But using above I survive pve with 850 regen
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  • XpoZeD_GoD
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    I'm assuming you're on console and so you may not have experienced magicka-steal yet, with the homestead patch Templar has easy access to this which makes it very easy to sustain. Currently on console your sustain will come from either you or another player running skills like Elemental Drain, Necrotic Orbs and Siphon Spirit. If you are struggling to sustain when on your own then sets such as Lich, Seducer, Desert Rose will tremendously help your sustain. Also, using Channeled Focus (Rune Focus morph) will help you to sustain a fair bit.
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  • g0dlik3buthumbl3
    Thanks for the help guys. Yeah, I'm playing on PS4. How does the Templar gain easy access to magicka steal with this patch? Channeled focus helps a bit, but definitely not enough to sustain me the way siphoning attacks does. I'll swap reflective light out for elemental drain in the meantime and see how I get on with that. Already using spell damage enchants.

    Will the problem with the other sets not be that I'm still swapping a lot of DPS for the sustain? If so, I'll still have the problem of sustain vs dps I was referring to above.

    My CP distribution is based on a deltia build, so everything is going into regen and cost reduction already. As for potions I'm already using spell power on cooldown, as I'm used to using weapon power with my stam build.

    Is there a jewellery similar to VO that gives damage with ridiculous magicka sustain?
  • Siliziumdioxid
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    Is there a jewellery similar to VO that gives damage with ridiculous magicka sustain?
    Not exactly, but in sum something similar:
    Getting Mana back per Enemy killed
    -Destruction Expert Passive: Anytime you kill an Enemy with Destruction staff ability/attack you restore Magicka
    -Arcane Well(Cp): 20% chance to restore Magicka on killed enemy (have to stand near it)
    -Comsuming Trap(no one uses this)
    -Withered Hand(Set): (enemies your group kills restore Magicka)
    Cost Reduction:
    -Worm cult set: gives 5% costreduction to whole group(healer runs this)
    -Seducer: 8% cost reduction (with this set its hard to run out of Mana)

    Note that Seducer+Withered doesn't improve your damage only your sustain.

    when you still have sustain problems you can switch to withmothers potent brew.
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  • jpeter88
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    its tough, i run ele drain if in an non optimized group and nobody is using it. it helps a bit but still run low, also use a pot when resource pool is at 80% ish so that you get the 20% regen going right away.
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  • g0dlik3buthumbl3
    So you guys reckon I should drop the spell power pots for magicka regen then?
    How does magicka dps manage to match up to stamina dps classes?
  • Nestor
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    As you know, there are 3 ways to preserve your resources.

    1. Cost Reduction
    2. Regen
    3. Light/Heavy Attack Weaving
    4. Spell Power

    The last is is more of a burn them down before I run out kind of approach, and does not work all that well on Bosses as you know. Build up as much spell power as you can from the sets your using, and your pretty much there, so don't worry about that.

    Weaving light or medium/heavy attacks with your staff can really help you maintain resources. It also helps to put 30 to 40 points into Staff in the CP Tree. The Min/Maxers would disagree, but think about it, your using the staff to maintain resources, not maximize your DPS, so get more out of it.

    So, lets assume your weaving medium/heavy attacks in between skills and your still depleting your pool. What to do next? This really depends on playstyle, but I personally find Spell Cost Reduction to be better than Regen at preserving resources simply because most of the time you can spam attacks faster than you get regen ticks. Also, Regen does not seem to help me all that much unless i get it up near 1800 to 2000 or more. Getting it that high can gimp your DPS.

    So, try using Spell Cost Reduction Glyphs on at least two pieces of jewelry. Also, a 5 Piece Seducer set is nice as when I ran that, I never ran out of magic. My DPS was not as high, but it did not suck either. However, if you have 0 Magic, your DPS is going to suck no matter how much spell power you have. If your playstyle can work with just 2 pieces with Cost Reduction, then put a Spell Power on the third.
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  • Mojmir
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    Channeled focus skill,ele drain,if your health is decent eat witch mother's food.
  • g0dlik3buthumbl3
    Cool, I'll swap in elemental drain and try switching to withered hand jewellery for sustain. I'll medium attack weave rather than light, and although that wont return any magicka, the slightly increased cast time should aid my regen. If that isn't enough I guess I'll need to downgrade from weapon damage to a couple of pieces with reduce cost.

    Still makes me wonder how the people pulling the huge numbers in dps don't run out of magicka. I guess they just coordinate skills so they keep buffing each others magicka? Maybe they're all high elves?

    Cheers for the help guys, I'll try it when I get online.
    Edited by g0dlik3buthumbl3 on February 14, 2017 4:41PM
  • AzuraKin
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    Is there a jewellery similar to VO that gives damage with ridiculous magicka sustain?
    Not exactly, but in sum something similar:
    Getting Mana back per Enemy killed
    -Destruction Expert Passive: Anytime you kill an Enemy with Destruction staff ability/attack you restore Magicka
    -Arcane Well(Cp): 20% chance to restore Magicka on killed enemy (have to stand near it)
    -Comsuming Trap(no one uses this)
    -Withered Hand(Set): (enemies your group kills restore Magicka)
    Cost Reduction:
    -Worm cult set: gives 5% costreduction to whole group(healer runs this)
    -Seducer: 8% cost reduction (with this set its hard to run out of Mana)

    Note that Seducer+Withered doesn't improve your damage only your sustain.

    when you still have sustain problems you can switch to withmothers potent brew.

    yes if only they would take the dot effect of impulse and add it to the initial and get rid of the dot. dont need dot aoe's unless said skill has the power equivalent of single target (otherwise just waste of time in every way)
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    AzuraKin wrote: »
    Is there a jewellery similar to VO that gives damage with ridiculous magicka sustain?
    Not exactly, but in sum something similar:
    Getting Mana back per Enemy killed
    -Destruction Expert Passive: Anytime you kill an Enemy with Destruction staff ability/attack you restore Magicka
    -Arcane Well(Cp): 20% chance to restore Magicka on killed enemy (have to stand near it)
    -Comsuming Trap(no one uses this)
    -Withered Hand(Set): (enemies your group kills restore Magicka)
    Cost Reduction:
    -Worm cult set: gives 5% costreduction to whole group(healer runs this)
    -Seducer: 8% cost reduction (with this set its hard to run out of Mana)

    Note that Seducer+Withered doesn't improve your damage only your sustain.

    when you still have sustain problems you can switch to withmothers potent brew.

    yes if only they would take the dot effect of impulse and add it to the initial and get rid of the dot. dont need dot aoe's unless said skill has the power equivalent of single target (otherwise just waste of time in every way)

    You should check out the patch notes. There is no DOT on impulse. They made it a ranged ability and removed the DOT. It's actually pretty neat.

    As for OPs issue. Well, magic sustain is not easy by yourself. Templar and sorcs are probably the worst with it. What you frankly need is good support or you need to buff your own sustain somehow. A templar running Radiant Aura or anyone running ele drain is a good place to start. You need minor magic steel somehow. Also, Vampire is very effective. I think it is virtually required on a sorc DPS. Worm set is also very nice. We always have one healer running it in trials. Lastly, orbs from the undaunted skill line are huge.

    Obviously a lot of that is on the healer, but that is their job. If you have a poor healer, then a few magic regen glyphs on your jewelry are probably in order.

    Edit: Without starting a fight against the AC crusaders, a proper weave does wonders for sustain.
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on February 14, 2017 5:01PM
  • danno8
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    It's harder with Magplar to get away with 3 spell damage jewelry.

    I have 1 spell damage, 1 cost reduction and 1 magicka recovery. Using Channeled Focus and Elemental Drain (or Radiant Aura, but Elemental Drain has no cost so is much better for boss fights) along with Witchmothers Brew I can sustain forever. I have basically no magicka recovery slices on any of my other gear.

    If I drop anything from that list my sustain goes from "forever" to around 2-3 minutes, and goes lower the more I replace with other stuff. If I gobble down potions I can go lose 1 or 2 things and sustain indefinitely again.

    I am talking solo here. In a group you can go far more damage oriented.
    Edited by danno8 on February 14, 2017 10:47PM
  • acw37162
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    Run 5 Lich 5 Magica Furnace if your melee on a back bar setup.

    Next Patch or his patch if your on PC Magplars have the best access to into magica steal with cleaning rulitual and morphs.

  • Anhedonie
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    Tell your healer to slot both drain and orbs. If he isn't using elemental drain or mystic/healing orbs, he's not a good healer. He's just a random dude with a healing stick.

    Also, use rune focus.
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  • BNOC
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    Are you max CP?
    What's your Magicka and Recovery at?
    Do you have Mage's Guild passives?
    Undaunted passives?

    I have no issue in 5 Julianos, 3 WP (All SD) and 2 Grothdarr running sub 800 recovery with 100 points into cost reduction and 50 into magicka recovery.
    I find I'll only start to run out if I'm doing the wrong rotation, forgetting to refresh chanelled focus (your body has an animation to watch for on console as we don't have buff timers), refreshing dots too early or casting spells that I shouldn't need to like heals.

    The potions you want to use are made up of:
    • Corn Flower
    • Lady Smock
    • Water Hyacinth

    SD(20%) - Spell Crit (10%) - Magicka return - Recovery (20%)
    Or take out water hyacinth if the bug hasn't been addressed on PC / You run IL on both bars.
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  • Croblasta
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    I've been working on my rotation as well and had a few issues.

    Is the goal to do the rotation as quickly possible? What do you mean by wrong rotation?

    I'm on Xbox, and typically have issues in Pugs so I run Overload when I run low on Magicka and this works well for most of the time.

    I can also tell when the healer is buffing as well because it's really hit or miss with sustain. It's just hard to tell since I can't track buffs on the Xbox.
  • g0dlik3buthumbl3
    Besides inner light and meteor I'm not using any mages skills, so didn't bother with the Mages passives as I don't cast any Mages abilities. I'm currently cp402, but can't check my recovery as I'm at work just now. My max magicka is currently 32000, but as it's a new character it's all purple glyphs at the moment. Also think I'm going to change from julianos to TBS for the Templar, as it seems that most arguments indicate this is a better dps set for a templar and will boost my magicka a little further.

    Those potions sound awesome, I'll make some when I get online.
  • xarguideb17_ESO
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    There's a passive that gives you extra magicka per skill slotted. Another passive. Increases duration, that's great for meteor. Another passive gives empower to the next spell. Don't miss out on the passives. Mages guild tree passives rock!
  • jarrandub17_ESO
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    RADIANT AURA...memorize that skill Templars. One more time, repeat after me...RADIANT AURA.
  • g0dlik3buthumbl3
    How does radiant aura help with Magicka sustain? I thought it was just health and stamina?
  • WarpigFunk
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    Another small tip -

    Potions - use them liberally. Trash pots are fine for regular stuff, but for vet trials/ vma use the best spellpower pots you can get your hands on.

    Just simply using potions at the right time intervals literally changed the way I play my magsorc. I used to feel like I NEEDED dark conversion somewhere on my bars because I was always out of magix ... which is troublesome with my build and it's amazing 700-800 recovery :persevere:

    DON'T WAIT to use the potion until you're down to 25% of a mag bar - use it when you're down to 75-80% magicka, it'll top you off and buff the crap out your recovery, use it again when the cooldown is up, and again, and again.

    Potions are a godsend for sustain. It can get pricey - for sure... it pays to be a master alchemist. But it's a HUGE buff to your character.
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  • g0dlik3buthumbl3
    I use spell power potions on cooldown, but I'm doing better with the medium and occasional heavy attack weaving, and one regen glyph. Once my CP reaches 600 I'd imagine it'll be no problem. Cheers for the help folks.
  • darthsithis
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    Use a light or medium destro attack to kill enemies instead of executes or weaves. Restores like 3k magic. It's amazing lol
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