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Magicka Sorcs got WAY to much love...
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stamblade vs Magsorc on high level is a draw with the fight being controlled by the NB.
Magsorcs saying NB is hands down killing sorcs are bad sorcs and nbs saying sorc is the hardcounter to stamblade are bad nbs.
if the NB is using heavy armor, yes ofc, but we are not talking about dueling builds.
I´m talking about medium armor open world builds.<Noricum>
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Anti_Virus have you considered simply running shieldbreaker on one bar? It´s good against stam- and magDKs, Blazeplars, Magblades and magsorcs.
If i had the option on a magica build it would be my number one go to set to use - as it entirely destroys magica sorcs not used to it. If i´d still play my stamblade it would run:
2h 5 spriggan
bow 5 shieldbreaker
selenes or trollking
Setup does everything.Edited by Derra on February 12, 2017 11:28AM<Noricum>
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Laggus✭✭✭✭It's not the Curse from the one Sorc that gets you, it's the 10 other ones from the 10 other Sorcerers that makes it OP.
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Force-Siphon✭✭✭✭I said this would happen, you could see on pts that Sorc damage would be ridiculous this patch but I thought it would take about 3 weeks after patch for nerf Sorc threads bc of DK and everyone wanting to play that lolEdited by Force-Siphon on February 12, 2017 12:00PMThe one and only Force Siphon - PVP Sorc NA
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Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
Edited by Glamdring on February 12, 2017 12:16PM3 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭Forgot one comment. I really dont want to go this route, but if sorcs keep abusing curse spamming on me i have to set up my build just to counter magsorcs. shieldbreaker and magdraining poisons come first to mind.0
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Zos pretty much made Sorcs noob friendly and removed all counter play againt them.
-Mage light detects stealth
- Storm Atro hits harder
- Destro ult has no counter
- Meteor unreflectable no counter
- Force pulse unreflectable no counter
- Shields still stack no counter
- Daedric mines deal high dmg No counter
- Curse Unblockable and blows up twice no counter
- pets buffed alot no counter
- Destruction staff overbuffed no counter
-Nerfed Major evasion to help fight medium armor builds
-Nerfed Heavy Armor resource sustain to have an easier time against heavy armor builds.
Have your fun mSorcs and to an extent mDKs I'll wait out the next 3 months for real balance though I suggest any non mSorc or mDK stay out of Pvp.It's not the Curse from the one Sorc that gets you, it's the 10 other ones from the 10 other Sorcerers that makes it OP.
I don't understand why people think they should be able to 1vX ten sorcs. If you're fighting that many you should die. Period.
Maybe it's been so easy since dark Brotherhood that people are used to farming sorcs that can't fight back?
Ten DK's doing crit rush/tremor/heavy. Dead.
Ten nightblades spambush. Dead:
Ten Templars Jesus beam. Dead. Even nerfed.
Ten sorcs with curse. RAAAAGE!!! FU ZOS!
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stamina has dominated since Dark Brotherhood. And it has before Thieves Guild.
Curse is still the same. Just accept that "balancing" sometimes works against you.
Erm... Don't really agree with that. In TG Sorc was still the best for pretty much anything in PvP. PvE stamina didn't even exist.
In DB and SotH stamina was considered superior or better than magicka (not true at all IMO). In PvE stamina had around 4-8k more single target DPS depending on class but had 3 times less AoE and survivability.
In 1T stamina was only good with proc sets. Magicka was destroying everything with the destro ult. In PvE stam was the inferior choice.
Now? Magicka is better than stamina again, we are back to Elder Staves and Robes Online in both PvP and PvE.@ Izaki #PCEU
#FrenchKiss #GoneFor2YearsAndMyGuildDoesn'tRaidAnymore
#MoreDPSthanYou
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The thing with magSorcs is that mediocre players are extremely easy to kill, and good players are extremely hard to kill (especially if the are using pirate skeleton). The forum is a good reflection of Cyrodrill, most of the magSorcs are trash, and those are the ones you see crying here that sorc is in a bad place or in need of buffs, or that stamblades are stronger (sorc is literaly a hard counter to stamblades, hands down the hardest match for a stamblade). Whoever thinks sorc is in a bad place, it really need to learn to play, on the proper hands is one of the strongest class in the game.
Stamblade vs Magsorc on high level is a draw with the fight being controlled by the NB.
Magsorcs saying NB is hands down killing sorcs are bad sorcs and nbs saying sorc is the hardcounter to stamblade are bad nbs.
Not true.
Go fight a good magicka sorc on a stamina NB, lets see if you have a chance.
I´m asking more adapt NB players than i´m myself. They say they can only die to a magsorc when they jump into mines. Which isn´t a smart thing to do would you agree?
Equally skilled magsorc and nb fighting eachother (if both are actually good) id say the fight can go both ways, the sorc can certainly avoid getting killed fairly easy if he chooses to "turtle" up and the nb can avoid most of the dmg if he so wishes, but when both are fighting to kill the other, the nb certainly has more risk then the sorc, with practice however the nb would have just as much a chance at a win as the sorc.
That said, I do not agree with the Curse buff that sorc just got, they did not need that (in pvp). Flame staff already makes magicka builds, not just sorcs, hit singletarget hard af.
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TARAFRAKA✭✭✭✭✭The thing with magSorcs is that mediocre players are extremely easy to kill, and good players are extremely hard to kill (especially if the are using pirate skeleton). The forum is a good reflection of Cyrodrill, most of the magSorcs are trash, and those are the ones you see crying here that sorc is in a bad place or in need of buffs, or that stamblades are stronger (sorc is literaly a hard counter to stamblades, hands down the hardest match for a stamblade). Whoever thinks sorc is in a bad place, it really need to learn to play, on the proper hands is one of the strongest class in the game.
Stamblade vs Magsorc on high level is a draw with the fight being controlled by the NB.
Magsorcs saying NB is hands down killing sorcs are bad sorcs and nbs saying sorc is the hardcounter to stamblade are bad nbs.
Not true.
Go fight a good magicka sorc on a stamina NB, lets see if you have a chance.
I´m asking more adapt NB players than i´m myself. They say they can only die to a magsorc when they jump into mines. Which isn´t a smart thing to do would you agree?
Equally skilled magsorc and nb fighting eachother (if both are actually good) id say the fight can go both ways, the sorc can certainly avoid getting killed fairly easy if he chooses to "turtle" up and the nb can avoid most of the dmg if he so wishes, but when both are fighting to kill the other, the nb certainly has more risk then the sorc, with practice however the nb would have just as much a chance at a win as the sorc.
That said, I do not agree with the Curse buff that sorc just got, they did not need that (in pvp). Flame staff already makes magicka builds, not just sorcs, hit singletarget hard af.
WHAT CURSE BUFF?
THEY DIDN'T GET A CURSE BUFF!
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The thing with magSorcs is that mediocre players are extremely easy to kill, and good players are extremely hard to kill (especially if the are using pirate skeleton). The forum is a good reflection of Cyrodrill, most of the magSorcs are trash, and those are the ones you see crying here that sorc is in a bad place or in need of buffs, or that stamblades are stronger (sorc is literaly a hard counter to stamblades, hands down the hardest match for a stamblade). Whoever thinks sorc is in a bad place, it really need to learn to play, on the proper hands is one of the strongest class in the game.
Stamblade vs Magsorc on high level is a draw with the fight being controlled by the NB.
Magsorcs saying NB is hands down killing sorcs are bad sorcs and nbs saying sorc is the hardcounter to stamblade are bad nbs.
Not true.
Go fight a good magicka sorc on a stamina NB, lets see if you have a chance.
I´m asking more adapt NB players than i´m myself. They say they can only die to a magsorc when they jump into mines. Which isn´t a smart thing to do would you agree?
Equally skilled magsorc and nb fighting eachother (if both are actually good) id say the fight can go both ways, the sorc can certainly avoid getting killed fairly easy if he chooses to "turtle" up and the nb can avoid most of the dmg if he so wishes, but when both are fighting to kill the other, the nb certainly has more risk then the sorc, with practice however the nb would have just as much a chance at a win as the sorc.
That said, I do not agree with the Curse buff that sorc just got, they did not need that (in pvp). Flame staff already makes magicka builds, not just sorcs, hit singletarget hard af.
The question is though. Can the sorc go really offensive trying to kill the NB? Or does the sorcs ability in killing the NB depend on the NB wanting to kill the sorc.<Noricum>
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Devilhand✭✭✭Force-Siphon wrote: »I said this would happen, you could see on pts that Sorc damage would be ridiculous this patch but I thought it would take about 3 weeks after patch for nerf Sorc threads bc of DK and everyone wanting to play that lol
Yep... And this comes from one experienced Magicka sorc.Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
Been saying that multiple times, but people dont understand.
And for those that say "run purge", they clearly dont have a clue that playing a non ganker NB build is. Running purge pretty much screw the whole build, just to avoid a skill with no counter at all as stamina class.Anti_Virus wrote: »Zos pretty much made Sorcs noob friendly and removed all counter play againt them.
-Mage light detects stealth
- Storm Atro hits harder
- Destro ult has no counter
- Meteor unreflectable no counter
- Force pulse unreflectable no counter
- Shields still stack no counter
- Daedric mines deal high dmg No counter
- Curse Unblockable and blows up twice no counter
- pets buffed alot no counter
- Destruction staff overbuffed no counter
-Nerfed Major evasion to help fight medium armor builds
-Nerfed Heavy Armor resource sustain to have an easier time against heavy armor builds.
Have your fun mSorcs and to an extent mDKs I'll wait out the next 3 months for real balance though I suggest any non mSorc or mDK stay out of Pvp.It's not the Curse from the one Sorc that gets you, it's the 10 other ones from the 10 other Sorcerers that makes it OP.
I don't understand why people think they should be able to 1vX ten sorcs. If you're fighting that many you should die. Period.
Maybe it's been so easy since dark Brotherhood that people are used to farming sorcs that can't fight back?
Ten DK's doing crit rush/tremor/heavy. Dead.
Ten nightblades spambush. Dead:
Ten Templars Jesus beam. Dead. Even nerfed.
Ten sorcs with curse. RAAAAGE!!! FU ZOS!
Wrong. I already answered that to you before.
Any way, lets say your in open world, all what the sorcs have to do its getting curse on the same target and after 3.5sec its an instant death from range.
The issue here its that after the update everyone jumped on their magicka toons. And magicka sorcs its by far what ive seen the most on past week, and as the game is at the moment very few people run on small group or even dare to solo, so basically you want it or not will be faicing +4 sorcs.
Im not QQ'ing about mag DK's beacue most of them run melee dmg, so its much more avoidable, starting that you can block their damage and dodge it.
I guess in a near future stamina classes will start running shield breaker, which is cheesy, until the set gets nerfed ofc... lol0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I guess in a near future stamina classes will start running shield breaker, which is cheesy, until the set gets nerfed ofc... lol
It´s a valid choice and i completely understand any stam player equipping it. I´d do it myself.
Maybe we get a shield rework eventually.<Noricum>
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Zos pretty much made Sorcs noob friendly and removed all counter play againt them.
-Mage light detects stealth
- Storm Atro hits harder
- Destro ult has no counter
- Meteor unreflectable no counter
- Force pulse unreflectable no counter
- Shields still stack no counter
- Daedric mines deal high dmg No counter
- Curse Unblockable and blows up twice no counter
- pets buffed alot no counter
- Destruction staff overbuffed no counter
-Nerfed Major evasion to help fight medium armor builds
-Nerfed Heavy Armor resource sustain to have an easier time against heavy armor builds.
Have your fun mSorcs and to an extent mDKs I'll wait out the next 3 months for real balance though I suggest any non mSorc or mDK stay out of Pvp.
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Sheuib✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »We are going to see a lot of magSorcs this patch, not because the class is OP, but because pirate skeleton. They are indeed hitting harder this patch, the 8% damage buff with fire staff in the curse+frag+fury combo is brutal, but well, stamsorcs are also brutal.
The thing with magSorcs is that mediocre players are extremely easy to kill, and good players are extremely hard to kill (especially if the are using pirate skeleton). The forum is a good reflection of Cyrodrill, most of the magSorcs are trash, and those are the ones you see crying here that sorc is in a bad place or in need of buffs, or that stamblades are stronger (sorc is literaly a hard counter to stamblades, hands down the hardest match for a stamblade). Whoever thinks sorc is in a bad place, it really need to learn to play, on the proper hands is one of the strongest class in the game.LOL gankblades complaining about other classes being OP.
stop the ***. Not everyone is a ganker, and if you see a lot of gankers, is because the meta is pushing them to that playstyle.
The meta is pushing them? People did it because you could kill nearly anyone in two button presses. And they enjoyed it. Ganking was so bad someone took the time to create an ADD-ON so everyone else could actually play. I've never ever played a game where a player had to step in and balance something that broken.
Now it's a LITTLE harder to gank, and magicka classes finally have some of the ridiculous burst stam players have been bringing to the table since dark Brotherhood.
I reiterate. The biggest 'buff' was 8% damage on destro staves. But that weapon has been giving less spell damage than both dual wield AND 2H for as long as I can remember. Seriously, equip one. And check it.
Can bow get an 8% damage done buff?! Its just as bad as destro in terms of the stats it provides. Partially trolling, but you get my point. Destro didn't really need buffs, it is a ranged weapon, it should be giving less stats. In PvP you might not see the advantage of range (but it is very noticeable in reality), in PvE however it shows a lot. I'm hapoy about the destro buff, cause I main a Sorc. But I'm not happy with the way it has advanced power creep. If anything this is the change that is "too good".
It is 'too good'. But not by a large margin.
Dual wield had 5% damage bonus. And more spell damage by a few hundred points (!!!).
Ranged bows didn't get a damage increase, but they do get a 20% cost reduction passive that no Magicka weapon has.
2H has more spell damage.
Sword and board has defile and some other goodies.
Destro staff needed *something*, it had some of the worst and most expensive skills for any weapon (outside of the destro ult). I wouldn't have added more than 5% single target or AOE personally. Instead they gave it permanent minor berserk. That stacks with minor berserk.
wtf...
Destro didn't need anything. Zos buffed Staff dmg way to much Melee is supposed to be better than ranged yet Zos buffed staff by a lot.
Destruction staff was fine Sorc was fine but oh well I hope you're happy now lol.
No, destro was not fine and melee not supposed to be better.
Ranged attacks were easily reflected, blocked, dodged, LoS'ed, thrown off by getting behind an ally, etc.
Melee could just gapclose you and all your range meant nothing. But you had way worse damage.
Ranged damage needed to get on par with melee.
Melee is supposed to be better you are taking a risk as opposed to ranged can deal dmg safely from range.
All what you said is the consequences of using ranged you have to sacrifice to get advantages.
And yes destruction staff was fine especially when they added the OP ultimate. Whats the point of being melee now when you can pull the same dmg from the safety of range?
In PVP there is no safety associated with range. The only time you are safe at range in PVP is from the top of a wall and then you can only kill people that are bad.0 -
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✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
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xboxNA corin6✭✭✭If you claim 90% is going to run magicka sorcerer, why don't you just build a stamina bow build with shield breaker? You'll win against almost all of those players lol. Pet builds are great for dueling imo, but in group pvp, they are very easy to exploit and in face shield msorcerer would perform better in group play. Unless the pet sorcerer is some kind of support matriach build.I'm a magsorc0 -
Nellzer✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.1 -
Nellzer✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.
My god, literally every post you make shows your ignorance of this game. 'It's a good set minus the 5 set piece bonus.' ROFL.
Sorcs aren't a problem, and if they were, that is not a solution outside of a duel. No one uses shields like a sorc, you'd be gimping yourself against every single other magicka build outside of sorc. You're embarrassing yourself.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.
My god, literally every post you make shows your ignorance of this game. 'It's a good set minus the 5 set piece bonus.' ROFL.
Sorcs aren't a problem, and if they were, that is not a solution outside of a duel. No one uses shields like a sorc, you'd be gimping yourself against every single other magicka build outside of sorc. You're embarrassing yourself.
So, sorcs are fine?0 -
Nellzer✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.
My god, literally every post you make shows your ignorance of this game. 'It's a good set minus the 5 set piece bonus.' ROFL.
Sorcs aren't a problem, and if they were, that is not a solution outside of a duel. No one uses shields like a sorc, you'd be gimping yourself against every single other magicka build outside of sorc. You're embarrassing yourself.
So, sorcs are fine?
In Pvp, the only difference with sorcs is the 8% destro buff. Any good sorc would refresh curse before this change, so there is absolutely no damage change. I think the 8% buff was unnecessary, but it didn't make sorc OP at all, they were just in a good spot before the change and didn't really need a buff.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.
My god, literally every post you make shows your ignorance of this game. 'It's a good set minus the 5 set piece bonus.' ROFL.
Sorcs aren't a problem, and if they were, that is not a solution outside of a duel. No one uses shields like a sorc, you'd be gimping yourself against every single other magicka build outside of sorc. You're embarrassing yourself.
So, sorcs are fine?
In Pvp, the only difference with sorcs is the 8% destro buff. Any good sorc would refresh curse before this change, so there is absolutely no damage change. I think the 8% buff was unnecessary, but it didn't make sorc OP at all, they were just in a good spot before the change and didn't really need a buff.
Then what are we arguing about?
Curse?
I hear people lamenting about six people cursing them, but that hasn't changed and would have been a thing in One Tamriel, too.
The destro buff, fair enough. This was implemented to put magicka damage on par with stamina. And I have made my point very clear, as have others, with gapclosers, people are always on you. You don't get an advantage from ranged dps.
Erm, I think nightblades just hate sorcs and I assure you it's the other way round, too. Just let the dust settle on this patch. We'll see how things go.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »
Talking about me or the troll?
All im saying is: if you fighting solo as Stam NB, 3 or more magicka sorcs, youre screw. All they have to do pretty much is get haunting curse on you and wait it to blow. ==> Which is pretty much what is happening in cyrodiil right now, Sorcs everywere.
When ever you see most players prefer certain classes, something is wrong (unbalanced).
Like on last patch, full of stamina builds with proc sets, which i am strongly against and always was (can ask the people i play with...)
Eeeeem...You do realize there is nothing wierd in fact You'll die when fighting solo agaisnt 3 or more players right ?
Edited by Juhasow on February 12, 2017 5:30PM1 -
Nellzer✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.
My god, literally every post you make shows your ignorance of this game. 'It's a good set minus the 5 set piece bonus.' ROFL.
Sorcs aren't a problem, and if they were, that is not a solution outside of a duel. No one uses shields like a sorc, you'd be gimping yourself against every single other magicka build outside of sorc. You're embarrassing yourself.
So, sorcs are fine?
In Pvp, the only difference with sorcs is the 8% destro buff. Any good sorc would refresh curse before this change, so there is absolutely no damage change. I think the 8% buff was unnecessary, but it didn't make sorc OP at all, they were just in a good spot before the change and didn't really need a buff.
Then what are we arguing about?
Curse?
I hear people lamenting about six people cursing them, but that hasn't changed and would have been a thing in One Tamriel, too.
The destro buff, fair enough. This was implemented to put magicka damage on par with stamina. And I have made my point very clear, as have others, with gapclosers, people are always on you. You don't get an advantage from ranged dps.
Erm, I think nightblades just hate sorcs and I assure you it's the other way round, too. Just let the dust settle on this patch. We'll see how things go.
My only gripe is when msorcs come on here and complain about proc sets, which is why I got involved in this thread in the first place. Before this patch, I honestly felt balance was in a decent place. People were crying left and right for nerfs to proc sets, yet magicka builds had (have) their fair share of cheese kill methods too (see EoTS) which are actually more impactful than proc sets due to the ability scale.
If anything, there should have been balance to specific classes liked mblades that actually need buffs outside of their one-trick pony.
Edited by Nellzer on February 12, 2017 5:44PM0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.
My god, literally every post you make shows your ignorance of this game. 'It's a good set minus the 5 set piece bonus.' ROFL.
Sorcs aren't a problem, and if they were, that is not a solution outside of a duel. No one uses shields like a sorc, you'd be gimping yourself against every single other magicka build outside of sorc. You're embarrassing yourself.
So, sorcs are fine?
In Pvp, the only difference with sorcs is the 8% destro buff. Any good sorc would refresh curse before this change, so there is absolutely no damage change. I think the 8% buff was unnecessary, but it didn't make sorc OP at all, they were just in a good spot before the change and didn't really need a buff.
Don´t underestimate the 8% from minor vulnerability on concussion. Sorc is the only class having lightning dmg in their rotation. It´s a huge difference in pvp.<Noricum>
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Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 501 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
Nice post,i agree on everything. I dont play stamblade but yeah,open world they are pretty *** vs the new curse. And no,it's not about the damage,but the fact that after one curse you'll automatically reveal yourself thanks to the second proc. Basically 1 curse negate the only survivability tool of nbs lol
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
You mean, like Shieldbreaker non-functional?
(^_-)
Right, because using a set that is good against ONE build and garbage against everything else is a reasonable solution. Stop talking out of your ass.
Every mag build uses a shield.
It's a good set, minus five piece bonus.
You say sorcs are your problem. There's your solution.
You know nothing. Learn to play.
My god, literally every post you make shows your ignorance of this game. 'It's a good set minus the 5 set piece bonus.' ROFL.
Sorcs aren't a problem, and if they were, that is not a solution outside of a duel. No one uses shields like a sorc, you'd be gimping yourself against every single other magicka build outside of sorc. You're embarrassing yourself.
So, sorcs are fine?
In Pvp, the only difference with sorcs is the 8% destro buff. Any good sorc would refresh curse before this change, so there is absolutely no damage change. I think the 8% buff was unnecessary, but it didn't make sorc OP at all, they were just in a good spot before the change and didn't really need a buff.
Don´t underestimate the 8% from minor vulnerability on concussion. Sorc is the only class having lightning dmg in their rotation. It´s a huge difference in pvp.
It has a ten percent proc chance, which isn't bad but it doesn't last for very long (4 sec). It's more reliable though to use a minor vulnerability poison, which everyone can do and get a 20% chance to apply.Derra and some more in this thread have experience enough to know that open world/kiteblades in medium armour are only played by a few ppl. Most of the NBs stay in stealth waiting for the 1 kill or if they dont play that way they wear heavy armour. The rest of you in this thread must be really new players or play on Another server than eu where there cant be many magsorcs that know what they are doing.
I can still hold my own against a good sorc, but its harder after homestead. and i need to use alot more los moves and i cant go back and in as much i could Before. What *** me up this patch though is the newbie sorcs in a Group that just spam curse from behind the group and just let the long tiick be there. i cant vigor in cloak, and if i want to hide i know im gonna get revealed and the Groups NBs are gonna start ambush me again. it forces me to choose interactions ALOT more carefully, Always keep my Health above 60-70%. its doable but there really arent any counters to this curse spamming. and it destroys our signature skill. imagine if you had a skill that made BoL or Shields non functional, imagine the whining on here.
This is all in line with zos strategy to make it easier to be a casual player. Magsorcs is clearly the newbie class right now, easy mode deluxe.
And for you saying just slot purge?!?!?! did u start to play yesterday?. u have any idea what that skill costs ? on a stamnb, if u use 1 purge your whole magpool is basically gone.
over and out
Nice post,i agree on everything. I dont play stamblade but yeah,open world they are pretty *** vs the new curse. And no,it's not about the damage,but the fact that after one curse you'll automatically reveal yourself thanks to the second proc. Basically 1 curse negate the only survivability tool of nbs lol
We've been able to do it forever now, did you just notice this?0 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭
We've been able to do it forever now, did you just notice this?
Nope,before the patch you applied curse,the nb played defensively for 3,5 sec (like dodging or sprinting around a tree) then once it exploded he could cloak safely . Now it's harder because if they manage to survive the 3,5 sec alive and cloak they'll be revealed again after 6,5.
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