Sorry, I'll bet my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..

Sylance9 wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..

Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...

Frankly, I wasn't aware there were any others that had been invited?

Duelling in busy towns is not trolling or griefing.

Sylance9 wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..

Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...

I too thought @Paulington wasn't streaming, but in fact he is ! That being said, define "streamer". Streaming for a couple of hours every other week and publishing a few videos doesn't make one a "streamer".
I don't think he's been invited as a "streamer", but as someone who is very smart and structured in his thoughts and words, excellent player and very knowlegdeable of the game.
He also showed high commitment to the game by flying from England over to Germany last summer for an event (don't remember the name, but he met Woeler, Finn and Rich there). That's how the devs "knew" him.

As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.

OP have you ever been to a MMO event hosted by a company? The theory crafting sessions or round tables they hold are pretty much what you're asking for.

They will generally cover all issues they can, but when it comes to player knowledge and feedback unless the attendees have qualifications in cyber security and systems administration they're not going to have a clue how to tackle bots, lag etc.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.

Because it would serve nothing !

This week's gathering :

Player A : - Skill X is OP is combination with Set W
Dev : "please show me"
(Player A demonstrates on site)
Dev : Ok let's let's tweak this parameter.... try again please
(Player A tries again - Skill is still OP)
Dev : let's tweak a couple of other parameters... how does that feel now ?
Player A tries again and the skill is now properly balanced.

(I'm not "imagining" the process, it's what @FENGRUSH described of what they did)

What you suggest :

Player A : "Duellers in town are a plague for everyone"
Player B : "Duellers in town make towns feel more alive, it's great"
Dev... errr... ok let's make duelling in towns impossible... how do you feel now ?
Player A : "Towns are quiet, that's greaaaaaat"
Player B : "Towns are boring, it's awful"

What do you want ZOS to do with that ????

Physical gathering is useful when things can be interacted and tested in an immediate, back-and-forth iterative process.
For subjective feedback and exchange of opinions, forums are enough. No physical gathering needed. Would be a waste of resources.

So do you think there are currently some major issues with the game that can be fixed, as I do? or are you totally staisfied with the current state of the game??

If you believe there are serious issues, do you think they are being addressed by Zeni?

What you suggest :

Player A : "Duellers in town are a plague for everyone"
Player B : "Duellers in town make towns feel more alive, it's great"
Dev... errr... ok let's make duelling in towns impossible... how do you feel now ?
Player A : "Towns are quiet, that's greaaaaaat"
Player B : "Towns are boring, it's awful"

What do you want ZOS to do with that ????

Physical gathering is useful when things can be interacted and tested in an immediate, back-and-forth iterative process.
For subjective feedback and exchange of opinions, forums are enough. No physical gathering needed. Would be a waste of resources.

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Are you serious? Have you been to Reapers lately?
Are you suggesting that Reapers is quiet and ONLY duellers somehow bring it alive?

There are dozens and dozens of people running around, doing their crafting, banking, trading, guild storing etc... This was already alive way before duellers came along.

Actually I dont have problem with the duellers, I often watch and dont blame them either - But i can see my lag go up and fps drop if there 2 or 3 duellers going on at once... Anyway, this is not a big deal for me - but thats my opinion.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

So do you think there are currently some major issues with the game that can be fixed, as I do? or are you totally staisfied with the current state of the game??
If you believe there are serious issues, do you think they are being addressed by Zeni?

Do I think the game has issues ? Yes.
That could be fixed quickly or easily ? Dunno, I'm no coder.
My priority issues will not be the same as yours anyway.

But that's not the point. The point is that gathering physically some players to discuss an issue like duelling being potentially disruptive in towns and causing lags would serve nothing. It would be totally useless.

Your original post smells a bit of envy and "me-too!" syndrom.

Your sense of smell is way off and I dont accept the accusation.

Envious of what? going to ZOS - I wouldn't want to go there, for this game...It wouldn't take me long to 'unleash' on them. if you read my O post, I said I wouldn't be interested, not to spend my time to go anywhere for this game. But other people would. But I am alrady giving feedback here..

I think ZOS are a very shrewd *business* and spend more energy on marketing than keeping existing customers completely pleased.

You may not agree with me, but dont call my suggestions 'useless' or smelling of anything.. That's just plain wierd.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Are you serious? Have you been to Reapers lately?
Are you suggesting that Reapers is quiet and ONLY duellers somehow bring it alive?

The topic of duelling in town has been present here since One Tamriel launched. I hate duellers in town myself, but the feedback in the various threads showed that the playerbase was split about 50/50 between those who hated it because of noise/lag, and those who liked it because they like the extra activity and watching the duellers. Hating it is your opinion (which I share) but the fact is that there is no consensus about it.

StackonClown wrote: »

You may not agree with me, but dont call my suggestions 'useless' or smelling of anything.. That's just plain wierd.

Physically gathering players to test quantitative stuff is useful, but it's useless when it comes to collecting qualitative feedback. I'm not saying that qualitative feedback is not needed, but that physical gathering of people is useless for collecting it.

Whats a focus group then?

StackonClown wrote: »

Whats a focus group then?

I'm not sure I understand the question I guess it depends what the group is meant to focus on ;-) If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Whats a focus group then?

If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.

'not needed' according to you, that's your opinion and I disagree...

StackonClown wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Whats a focus group then?

If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.

'not needed' according to you, that's your opinion and I disagree...

Then please explain how you would proceed if you were in charge of such a "focus group". Pick up just one of your topics and explain what would be the added value of a physical gathering over a forum discussion.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Whats a focus group then?

If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.

'not needed' according to you, that's your opinion and I disagree...

Then please explain how you would proceed if you were in charge of such a "focus group". Pick up just one of your topics and explain what would be the added value of a physical gathering over a forum discussion.

Look I'm not going to go in to the theory of marketing and the use of focus groups which by definition is a *physical gathering*.. Many Many corporations do exactly this.. *physical focus groups* who offer opinions and 'qualitative' feedback.
You can read up on it if you like.

The physical presence just adds to the interaction, especially from a communication perspective..

And to be honest, who said quantitative feedback cant be provided remotely?
The world is full of software developers who are located separately to their testing teams.
Video conferencing and other technology can get things fed back and updated quickly.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Sylance9 wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..

Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...

I too thought @Paulington wasn't streaming, but in fact he is ! That being said, define "streamer". Streaming for a couple of hours every other week and publishing a few videos doesn't make one a "streamer".
I don't think he's been invited as a "streamer", but as someone who is very smart and structured in his thoughts and words, excellent player and very knowlegdeable of the game.
He also showed high commitment to the game by flying from England over to Germany last summer for an event (don't remember the name, but he met Woeler, Finn and Rich there). That's how the devs "knew" him.

As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.

Absolutely! I do stream once every few months, usually with the PTS to show people new content if they cannot access it themselves. Probably around two six hour streams every three months (and it sure doesn't net me any money).

However beyond that I do barely anything other than community work and theorycraft. I did attend Gamescom and the ESO Tavern too. .

StackonClown wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.

My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.

Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!

No they are not.

According to who? You?
OK, that's your opinion. I disagree. Thanks.
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base?

Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base? You're sure acting like you are.

You know....maybe just ask for different PTS experiences while in between dlc instead