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Upcoming Player Forum at ZOS headquarters
StackonClown
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Hi Zeni,
Can you please consider some forum based topics for future player focus groups at your offices?
How about a focus group which includes the following:
- impact of changes such as homestead to our playing experience.. i.e. 'balance' changes
- what we think about RNG
- what we think about the crown store
- handling of maintenance and outages
- exploits, cheating.. get the players to SHOW YOU how it is being done and fix it once and for all!
- thoughts on current level of grindfest
- impact of botting on our playing experience
- impact of trolling..
- common annoyances (e.g. dueling inside busy towns.. why just why... this causes lag for eveyone - otherwise i have no issue)
- impact of zerging in pvp in particular causing lag issues
- many many other topics.. not just theorycrafting - lol
Who should you invite - 20-30 people from a wide range of player experiences.. let people apply maybe.. dunno, and dont really care - not me, but I can give feedback in writing or over the phone
Edited by StackonClown on February 11, 2017 6:57AM Can you please consider some forum based topics for future player focus groups at your offices?
How about a focus group which includes the following:
- impact of changes such as homestead to our playing experience.. i.e. 'balance' changes
- what we think about RNG
- what we think about the crown store
- handling of maintenance and outages
- exploits, cheating.. get the players to SHOW YOU how it is being done and fix it once and for all!
- thoughts on current level of grindfest
- impact of botting on our playing experience
- impact of trolling..
- common annoyances (e.g. dueling inside busy towns.. why just why... this causes lag for eveyone - otherwise i have no issue)
- impact of zerging in pvp in particular causing lag issues
- many many other topics.. not just theorycrafting - lol
Who should you invite - 20-30 people from a wide range of player experiences.. let people apply maybe.. dunno, and dont really care - not me, but I can give feedback in writing or over the phone
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Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sorry, I'll bet my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..Edited by Stovahkiin on February 11, 2017 4:12PMBeware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!6 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stovahkiin wrote: »Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..
Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...2 -
Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stovahkiin wrote: »Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..
Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...
Frankly, I wasn't aware there were any others that had been invited?Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!2 -
Shimmer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stovahkiin wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..
Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...
Frankly, I wasn't aware there were any others that had been invited?
The pictures I saw there were many players and thry told them it was up to them to disclose if they were going, if they aren't popular on social media you WOULDNT know... Paulington went and he's not a streamer.
All I'm saying is, the sky isn't falling, don't jump to conclusions. I'm excited to see what they did. 4 -
SanderBuraas✭✭✭✭✭Duelling in busy towns is not trolling or griefing.Edited by SanderBuraas on February 11, 2017 6:36AM1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stovahkiin wrote: »Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..
Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...
I too thought @Paulington wasn't streaming, but in fact he is ! That being said, define "streamer". Streaming for a couple of hours every other week and publishing a few videos doesn't make one a "streamer".
I don't think he's been invited as a "streamer", but as someone who is very smart and structured in his thoughts and words, excellent player and very knowlegdeable of the game.
He also showed high commitment to the game by flying from England over to Germany last summer for an event (don't remember the name, but he met Woeler, Finn and Rich there). That's how the devs "knew" him.
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on February 11, 2017 10:58AM1 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP have you ever been to a MMO event hosted by a company? The theory crafting sessions or round tables they hold are pretty much what you're asking for.
They will generally cover all issues they can, but when it comes to player knowledge and feedback unless the attendees have qualifications in cyber security and systems administration they're not going to have a clue how to tackle bots, lag etc.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Because it would serve nothing !
This week's gathering :
Player A : - Skill X is OP is combination with Set W
Dev : "please show me"
(Player A demonstrates on site)
Dev : Ok let's let's tweak this parameter.... try again please
(Player A tries again - Skill is still OP)
Dev : let's tweak a couple of other parameters... how does that feel now ?
Player A tries again and the skill is now properly balanced.
(I'm not "imagining" the process, it's what @FENGRUSH described of what they did)
What you suggest :
Player A : "Duellers in town are a plague for everyone"
Player B : "Duellers in town make towns feel more alive, it's great"
Dev... errr... ok let's make duelling in towns impossible... how do you feel now ?
Player A : "Towns are quiet, that's greaaaaaat"
Player B : "Towns are boring, it's awful"
What do you want ZOS to do with that ????
Physical gathering is useful when things can be interacted and tested in an immediate, back-and-forth iterative process.
For subjective feedback and exchange of opinions, forums are enough. No physical gathering needed. Would be a waste of resources.
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Because it would serve nothing !
This week's gathering :
Player A : - Skill X is OP is combination with Set W
Dev : "please show me"
(Player A demonstrates on site)
Dev : Ok let's let's tweak this parameter.... try again please
(Player A tries again - Skill is still OP)
Dev : let's tweak a couple of other parameters... how does that feel now ?
Player A tries again and the skill is now properly balanced.
(I'm not "imagining" the process, it's what @FENGRUSH described of what they did)
What you suggest :
Player A : "Duellers in town are a plague for everyone"
Player B : "Duellers in town make towns feel more alive, it's great"
Dev... errr... ok let's make duelling in towns impossible... how do you feel now ?
Player A : "Towns are quiet, that's greaaaaaat"
Player B : "Towns are boring, it's awful"
What do you want ZOS to do with that ????
Physical gathering is useful when things can be interacted and tested in an immediate, back-and-forth iterative process.
For subjective feedback and exchange of opinions, forums are enough. No physical gathering needed. Would be a waste of resources.
So do you think there are currently some major issues with the game that can be fixed, as I do? or are you totally staisfied with the current state of the game??
If you believe there are serious issues, do you think they are being addressed by Zeni?0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »So do you think there are currently some major issues with the game that can be fixed, as I do? or are you totally staisfied with the current state of the game??
If you believe there are serious issues, do you think they are being addressed by Zeni?
Do I think the game has issues ? Yes.
That could be fixed quickly or easily ? Dunno, I'm no coder.
My priority issues will not be the same as yours anyway.
But that's not the point. The point is that gathering physically some players to discuss an issue like duelling being potentially disruptive in towns and causing lags would serve nothing. It would be totally useless.
Your original post smells a bit of envy and "me-too!" syndrom.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on February 11, 2017 11:45AM4 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭What you suggest :
Player A : "Duellers in town are a plague for everyone"
Player B : "Duellers in town make towns feel more alive, it's great"
Dev... errr... ok let's make duelling in towns impossible... how do you feel now ?
Player A : "Towns are quiet, that's greaaaaaat"
Player B : "Towns are boring, it's awful"
What do you want ZOS to do with that ????
Physical gathering is useful when things can be interacted and tested in an immediate, back-and-forth iterative process.
For subjective feedback and exchange of opinions, forums are enough. No physical gathering needed. Would be a waste of resources.
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Are you serious? Have you been to Reapers lately?
Are you suggesting that Reapers is quiet and ONLY duellers somehow bring it alive?
There are dozens and dozens of people running around, doing their crafting, banking, trading, guild storing etc... This was already alive way before duellers came along.
Actually I dont have problem with the duellers, I often watch and dont blame them either - But i can see my lag go up and fps drop if there 2 or 3 duellers going on at once... Anyway, this is not a big deal for me - but thats my opinion.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »So do you think there are currently some major issues with the game that can be fixed, as I do? or are you totally staisfied with the current state of the game??
If you believe there are serious issues, do you think they are being addressed by Zeni?
Do I think the game has issues ? Yes.
That could be fixed quickly or easily ? Dunno, I'm no coder.
My priority issues will not be the same as yours anyway.
But that's not the point. The point is that gathering physically some players to discuss an issue like duelling being potentially disruptive in towns and causing lags would serve nothing. It would be totally useless.
Your original post smells a bit of envy and "me-too!" syndrom.
Your sense of smell is way off and I dont accept the accusation.
Envious of what? going to ZOS - I wouldn't want to go there, for this game...It wouldn't take me long to 'unleash' on them. if you read my O post, I said I wouldn't be interested, not to spend my time to go anywhere for this game. But other people would. But I am alrady giving feedback here..
I think ZOS are a very shrewd *business* and spend more energy on marketing than keeping existing customers completely pleased.
You may not agree with me, but dont call my suggestions 'useless' or smelling of anything.. That's just plain wierd.1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »Are you serious? Have you been to Reapers lately?
Are you suggesting that Reapers is quiet and ONLY duellers somehow bring it alive?
The topic of duelling in town has been present here since One Tamriel launched. I hate duellers in town myself, but the feedback in the various threads showed that the playerbase was split about 50/50 between those who hated it because of noise/lag, and those who liked it because they like the extra activity and watching the duellers. Hating it is your opinion (which I share) but the fact is that there is no consensus about it.StackonClown wrote: »You may not agree with me, but dont call my suggestions 'useless' or smelling of anything.. That's just plain wierd.
Physically gathering players to test quantitative stuff is useful, but it's useless when it comes to collecting qualitative feedback. I'm not saying that qualitative feedback is not needed, but that physical gathering of people is useless for collecting it.
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Are you serious? Have you been to Reapers lately?
Are you suggesting that Reapers is quiet and ONLY duellers somehow bring it alive?
The topic of duelling in town has been present here since One Tamriel launched. I hate duellers in town myself, but the feedback in the various threads showed that the playerbase was split about 50/50 between those who hated it because of noise/lag, and those who liked it because they like the extra activity and watching the duellers. Hating it is your opinion (which I share) but the fact is that there is no consensus about it.StackonClown wrote: »You may not agree with me, but dont call my suggestions 'useless' or smelling of anything.. That's just plain wierd.
Physically gathering players to test quantitative stuff is useful, but it's useless when it comes to collecting qualitative feedback. I'm not saying that qualitative feedback is not needed, but that physical gathering of people is useless for collecting it.
Whats a focus group then?0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »Whats a focus group then?
I'm not sure I understand the question I guess it depends what the group is meant to focus on ;-) If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.
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✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!
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StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Whats a focus group then?
If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.
'not needed' according to you, that's your opinion and I disagree...0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!
No they are not.
According to who? You?
OK, that's your opinion. I disagree. Thanks.
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base?Edited by StackonClown on February 11, 2017 12:51PM0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Whats a focus group then?
If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.
'not needed' according to you, that's your opinion and I disagree...
Then please explain how you would proceed if you were in charge of such a "focus group". Pick up just one of your topics and explain what would be the added value of a physical gathering over a forum discussion.
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Cîanai✭✭✭✭✭
✭StackonClown wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!
No they are not.
According to who? You?
OK, that's your opinion. I disagree. Thanks.
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base?
So it's ok for you when ZOS ignore the balance in this game?0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »Whats a focus group then?
If it's meant to focus on the topics you suggested, then a physical gathering is not needed.
'not needed' according to you, that's your opinion and I disagree...
Then please explain how you would proceed if you were in charge of such a "focus group". Pick up just one of your topics and explain what would be the added value of a physical gathering over a forum discussion.
Look I'm not going to go in to the theory of marketing and the use of focus groups which by definition is a *physical gathering*.. Many Many corporations do exactly this.. *physical focus groups* who offer opinions and 'qualitative' feedback.
You can read up on it if you like.
The physical presence just adds to the interaction, especially from a communication perspective..
And to be honest, who said quantitative feedback cant be provided remotely?
The world is full of software developers who are located separately to their testing teams.
Video conferencing and other technology can get things fed back and updated quickly.0 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!
No they are not.
According to who? You?
OK, that's your opinion. I disagree. Thanks.
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base?
So it's ok for you when ZOS ignore the balance in this game?
No it's not . Where did I say that?
There will *never* be complete balance in the game.
So who has decided that 'balance' is above all else in importance?
Anyway, what are you exactly saying? that 'ZOS ignores the balance in the game' and waits to meet some players and only then agrees to' fix the balance'?0 -
Paulington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »Sorry, I'll be my spine of gratitude that this won't ever happen, unless we all become streamers, then we can probably be given special privileges..
Did you ever consider thst maybe you haven't heard From the others invited because they aren't streamers or on social media? I don't think Paul streams at all...
I too thought @Paulington wasn't streaming, but in fact he is ! That being said, define "streamer". Streaming for a couple of hours every other week and publishing a few videos doesn't make one a "streamer".
I don't think he's been invited as a "streamer", but as someone who is very smart and structured in his thoughts and words, excellent player and very knowlegdeable of the game.
He also showed high commitment to the game by flying from England over to Germany last summer for an event (don't remember the name, but he met Woeler, Finn and Rich there). That's how the devs "knew" him.
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
Absolutely! I do stream once every few months, usually with the PTS to show people new content if they cannot access it themselves. Probably around two six hour streams every three months (and it sure doesn't net me any money).
However beyond that I do barely anything other than community work and theorycraft. I did attend Gamescom and the ESO Tavern too.. 0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »And to be honest, who said quantitative feedback cant be provided remotely?
The world is full of software developers who are located separately to their testing teams.
Video conferencing and other technology can get things fed back and updated quickly.
You said a physical gathering would be necessary, not me :-) Now if you suggest that ESO could benefit from virtual focus group organized over TeamSpeak or videoconference or whatever, for any of the topics you mentioned, and beyond, then I agree with you.
I know for certain that it has already taken place. ZOS people have participated to cross-guild meetings on TeamSpeak regarding endgame content and issues. Not sure it still happens. I'm not in the circles anymore where I get such information. Maybe it still happens.
The problem though will still be that they can only pick up people they've heard of, and those will always be people with a lot of playtime or forum participation, or famous guilds, or leaderboards. The average player with little playtime in his small 15-member-guild will always be under-representated in such events. Luckily usage statistics will always show their high presence in the game - but having them provide extensive qualitative feedback is difficult. And there's the language barrier, too.
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Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!
No they are not.
According to who? You?
OK, that's your opinion. I disagree. Thanks.
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base?
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base? You're sure acting like you are.2 -
StackonClown✭✭✭✭✭StackonClown wrote: »StackonClown wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
As to OP's suggestions, I don't think the topics mentioned require a "physical gathering" since it's not back-and-forth testing and adjusting of game mechanics.
My point being is that I feel these topics are more important than 3 days of 'testing' or 'adjusting' or 'theorycrafting', so if these things warrant a 'physical gathering' why not the topics I mentioned.
Zeni - Fix the issues with a higher priority!
No they are not.
According to who? You?
OK, that's your opinion. I disagree. Thanks.
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base?
Are you claiming to represent the opinion of the majority of the player base? You're sure acting like you are.
How am I 'acting like you are'?
Because I don't agree with your 4 word post?
Which was posted without explanation as if your opinion holds more weight than others?
Actually NO.. I represent myself, but I offer an opinion and people can agree or disagree.
This first line of my original post was:
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✭✭✭✭✭You know....maybe just ask for different PTS experiences while in between dlc instead-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Pallio✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is America, we always count on our famous rich elites to represent us common folk.
Elite streamers spend hours learning and testing the game sure, they also have the absolute BiS gear, which most of us will never get without 500 hrs of grinding with 3-11 other elite players that also have plenty of free time.0